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^v^hooters ex · 04-08-2011, 05:26 PM

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: I knew you wouldn't take to my criticism of YOU. But that's where the problem is.

Oh no, I think I managed to register your derision as personal. Don't worry about it.

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: You have delusions of perception.

Well I live very much inland and have never encountered a matt black commercial jetliner but these were the answers which eluded deluded me apparently.

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: and you You think you can see what's above you, and have a relative idea of the scale of things, when you have no such things at all.

oh ok.
Your link is just a rehashing of other peoples' misperceptions.
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It's the nature of the forum to entertain such bloggery.

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: More astroturfing of this drivel from you and I will astroturf you atmospheric physics until it comes out of your ears, and Concen will close down this thread.

ooh promises, promises. A few beers put you on the warpath, eh? Go for it, I like reading.

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: Some journalists emit this disinformation because they can gain notoriety, because in this world notoriety can increase one's income. They are unable to face the mundane world they're in because they themselves are mundane. Notoriety offers escape.

You are notorious to "chemtrailers" no? But it is different, isn't it? You are simply on a utilitarian mission, no?

(04-08-2011 11:13 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: But this "escape" is only transitory. Meanwhile this disinformation causes great social damage by stirring up needless FEAR. PEOPLE WILL DIE AS A CONSEQUENCE, just like the consequences we've suffered from Muslim Fundamentalism. And you are part of these lies, and a liar yourself. Congratulations, lemming.

Gosh! Roll out the barrel..

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 04-08-2011 06:49 PM by JazzRoc.)

(04-08-2011 05:26 PM)^v^hooters ex Wrote: Oh no, I think I managed to register your derision as personal. Don't worry about it.

It isn't personal. It's professional, and isn't derision. I don't know you as a person, just as an entity who has no belief or understanding of science and his (or her) fallibility.

Quote:Well I live very much inland and have never encountered a matt black commercial jetliner but these were the answers which eluded deluded me apparently.

Is that the REAL explanation? Really? Is that the way you see that?

Quote:It's the nature of the forum to entertain such bloggery.

It entertains YOURS presently, but quoting fools without understanding or debating doesn't entertain ME or anyone else here, and if you keep up astroturfing without discussion it will finish you.

Quote:A few beers put you on the warpath, eh? Go for it, I like reading.

Your timing's all wrong. And the most I drink is three 33cl bottles at any one time. Try:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/jou...MC2006.pdf

Quote:You are notorious to "chemtrailers" no?

I bloody well hope so, but one can never be sure.

Quote:But it is different, isn't it?

What, from your slack-jawed fear-inducing doggerel?

Quote:You are simply on a utilitarian mission, no?

To nullify yours, You got it.

Quote:Gosh! Roll out the barrel...

I haven't done that for forty years. There's no need when all that's before me is a self-admitted lemming asshole with nothing original to offer.

One day a guy died and found himself in hell. As he was wallowing in despair, he had his first meeting with a demon. The demon asked, 'Why so glum?'
The guy responded, 'What do you think? I'm in hell!'
'Hell's not so bad,' the demon said. 'We actually have a lot of fun down here. You a drinking man?'
'Sure,' the man said, 'I love to drink.'
'Well, you're gonna love Mondays then. On Mondays all we do is drink. Whiskey, tequila, Guinness, wine coolers, diet Tab and Fresca. We drink till we throw up and then we drink some more!'
The guy is astounded. 'Damn, that sounds great..'
'You a smoker?' the demon asked.
'You better believe it!'
'You're gonna love Tuesdays. We get the finest cigars from all over the world and smoke our lungs out! If you get cancer, no biggie You're already dead, remember?'
'Wow, the guy said, 'that's awesome!'
The demon continued.. 'I bet you like to gamble.'
'Why yes, as a matter of fact I do.'
'Wednesdays you can gamble all you want. Craps, blackjack, roulette, poker, slots, whatever. If you go bankrupt, well, you're dead anyhow. You into drugs?'
The guy said, 'Are you kidding? I love drugs! You don't mean . . .'
'That's right! Thursday is drug day. Help yourself to a great big bowl of crack, or smack. Smoke a doobie the size of a submarine. You can do all the drugs you want, you're dead, who cares!'
'Wow,' the guy said, starting to feel better about his situation, 'I never realized Hell was such a cool place!'
The demon said, 'You gay?'
'No.'
'Ooooh, you're gonna REALLY hate Fridays!'

^v^hooters ex · (This post was last modified: 04-08-2011 11:06 PM by ^v^hooters ex.)

(04-08-2011 06:10 PM)JazzRoc Wrote:
(04-08-2011 05:26 PM)^v^hooters ex Wrote: Oh no, I think I managed to register your derision as personal. Don't worry about it.
It isn't personal. It's professional, and isn't derision. I don't know you as a person, just as an entity who has no belief or understanding of science and his (or her) fallibility.

Quote:Well I live very much inland and have never encountered a matt black commercial jetliner but these were the answers which eluded deluded me apparently.
Is that the REAL explanation? Really? Is that the way you see that?

Quote:It's the nature of the forum to entertain such bloggery.
It entertains YOURS presently, but quoting fools without understanding or debating doesn't entertain ME or anyone else here, and if you keep up astroturfing without discussion it will finish you.

Quote:A few beers put you on the warpath, eh? Go for it, I like reading.
Your timing's all wrong. And the most I drink is three 33cl bottles at any one time. Try:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/jou...MC2006.pdf

Quote:You are notorious to "chemtrailers" no?
I bloody well hope so, but one can never be sure.

Quote:But it is different, isn't it?
What, from your slack-jawed fear-inducing doggerel?

Quote:You are simply on a utilitarian mission, no?
To nullify yours, You got it.

Quote:Gosh! Roll out the barrel...
I haven't done that for forty years. There's no need when all that's before me is a self-admitted lemming asshole with nothing original to offer.

One day a guy died and found himself in hell. As he was wallowing in despair, he had his first meeting with a demon. The demon asked, 'Why so glum?'
The guy responded, 'What do you think? I'm in hell!'
'Hell's not so bad,' the demon said. 'We actually have a lot of fun down here. You a drinking man?'
'Sure,' the man said, 'I love to drink.'
'Well, you're gonna love Mondays then. On Mondays all we do is drink. Whiskey, tequila, Guinness, wine coolers, diet Tab and Fresca. We drink till we throw up and then we drink some more!'
The guy is astounded. 'Damn, that sounds great..'
'You a smoker?' the demon asked.
'You better believe it!'
'You're gonna love Tuesdays. We get the finest cigars from all over the world and smoke our lungs out! If you get cancer, no biggie You're already dead, remember?'
'Wow, the guy said, 'that's awesome!'
The demon continued.. 'I bet you like to gamble.'
'Why yes, as a matter of fact I do.'
'Wednesdays you can gamble all you want. Craps, blackjack, roulette, poker, slots, whatever. If you go bankrupt, well, you're dead anyhow. You into drugs?'
The guy said, 'Are you kidding? I love drugs! You don't mean . . .'
'That's right! Thursday is drug day. Help yourself to a great big bowl of crack, or smack. Smoke a doobie the size of a submarine. You can do all the drugs you want, you're dead, who cares!'
'Wow,' the guy said, starting to feel better about his situation, 'I never realized Hell was such a cool place!'
The demon said, 'You gay?'
'No.'
'Ooooh, you're gonna REALLY hate Fridays!'

That joke was contained within the "dirty jokes" video from Gilbert Gottfried posted a few days ago on the "sick jokes" thread...gladto know I am not the only unoriginal one Wink

Btw. as much as you may be on a self admitted "mission", I am not..I am neither ignorant to the scientific explanations you forward, that you are so very offended that I do not think them a watertight "debunking" of what I am "ignorantly" observing here; and decide to, in self admitted soberness, choose to take on the role of Torquemada is not my look out.

I take on board your explanations, I do not think they conclusively explain what is happening above; here. In light of what I have attempted to describe,they are definitely not incontrovertible. Why you find it untenable that geo-engineering efforts/experimental projects are already under way at this time when the public are being desensitised to the "proposal" is between you and your pillow.

I am no more a Lemming than I am an Ostrich, neither am I a "chemmie" but, aside from declaring me all these things, you also declare yourself a missionary. I've met a few in my time, they generally think they singularly have the "true" answers to everything under the Sun and like to preach so too. Good day.

[Image: circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg]

nice picture, eh? How are you doing for depth? Maybe it's YOU that is in denial. shrugs.

don't forget to register the title of this article ..

U.N. urged to freeze climate geo-engineering projects

* Environmentalists say such schemes are unproven, risky

* Advocates say projects could help fight global warming

By Chisa Fujioka

NAGOYA, Japan, Oct 21 (Reuters) - The United Nations should
impose a moratorium on "geo-engineering" projects such as
artificial volcanoes and vast cloud-seeding schemes to fight
climate change, green groups say, fearing they could harm
nature and mankind.
The risks were too great because the impacts of manipulating
nature on a vast scale were not fully known, the groups said at
a major U.N. meeting in Japan aimed at combatting increasing
losses of plant and animal species.

Envoys from nearly 200 countries are gathered in Nagoya,
Japan, to agree targets to fight the destruction of forests,
rivers and coral reefs that provide resources and services
central to livelihoods and economies.

A major cause for the rapid losses in nature is climate
change, the United Nations says, raising the urgency for the
world to do whatever it can to curb global warming and prevent
extreme droughts, floods and rising sea levels.

Some countries regard geo-engineering projects costing
billions of dollars as a way to control climate change by
cutting the amount of sunlight hitting the earth or soaking up
excess greenhouse gas emissions, particularly carbon dioxide.

"It's absolutely inappropriate for a handful of governments
in industrialised countries to make a decision to try
geo-engineering without the approval of all the world's
support," Pat Mooney, from Canada-headquartered advocacy
organisation ETC Group, told Reuters on the sidelines of the
Oct. 18-29 meeting.

"They shouldn't proceed with real-life, in-the-environment
experimentation or the deployment of any geo-engineering until
there is a consensus in the United Nations that this is okay."

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Take-a-look on biodiversity: [ID:nSGE68T06H]

Factbox on main issues at Nagoya talks [ID:nTOE69D07L]

Factbox on TEEB report on valuing nature [ID:nSGE69J0D5]

UN plan to protect animals, plants by 2020 [ID:nLDE68F0JL]

Graphic on ocean fertilisation

link.reuters.com/cam39p

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Some conservation groups say geo-engineering is a way for
some governments and companies to get out of taking steps to
slash planet-warming emissions.

The U.N. climate panel says a review of geo-engineering
will be part of its next major report in 2013.

SOLAR REFLECTORS

Some of the geo-engineering schemes proposed include:

-- Ocean fertilisation. Large areas are sprinkled with iron
or other nutrients to artificially spur growth of
phytoplankton, which soak up carbon dioxide. But this could
trigger harmful algal blooms, soak up nutrients and kill fish
and other animals.

-- Spray seawater into the atmosphere to increase the
reflectivity and condensation of clouds so they bounce more
sunlight back into space.

-- Placing trillions of tiny solar reflectors out in space
to cut the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth.

-- Artificial volcanoes. Tiny sulphate particles or other
materials are released into the stratosphere to reflect
sunlight, simulating the effect of a major volcanic eruption.

-- Carbon capture and storage. Supported by a number of
governments and involves capturing CO2 from power stations,
refineries and natural gas wells and pumping it deep
underground.

Mooney said the U.N. Convention on Biological Diversity
(CBD) should expand its de-facto moratorium on ocean
fertilisation agreed in 2008 to all geo-engineering, although
the proposal was resisted by some countries, including Canada,
earlier this year.

Canada said in Nagoya that it would work with the CBD.

"Canada was simply concerned about the lack of clarity on
definitions including what activities are included in
'geo-engineering'," Cynthia Wright, head of the delegation,
said in an email response.

"Canada shares concerns of the international community
about potential negative impacts of geo-engineering on
biodiversity and is willing to work with other CBD Parties to
avoid these impacts," she said.

Environmentalists said geo-engineering went against the
spirit of the Nagoya talks, which aims to set new targets for
2020 to protect nature, such as setting up more land and marine
protected areas, cutting pollution and managing fishing.

"We are certainly in favour of more (geo-engineering)
research, as in all fields, but not any implementation for the
time being because it's too dangerous. We don't know what the
effects can be," said Francois Simard of conservation group
IUCN.

"Improving nature conservation is what we should do in
order to fight climate change, not trying to change nature."
(Reporting by Chisa Fujioka; Editing by David Fogarty)

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditie...2U20101021

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 04-09-2011 01:09 AM by JazzRoc.)

http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/jou...MC2006.pdf
Response?

Quote:That joke was contained within the "dirty jokes" video from Gilbert Gottfried posted a few days ago on the "sick jokes" thread...glad to know I am not the only unoriginal one

Exactly why I put it there. It had a matching stink to your C&P.

Quote:I am neither ignorant [of] the scientific explanations you forward

But you are.

Quote:I take on board your explanations, I do not think they conclusively explain what is happening above; here. In light of what I have attempted to describe, they are definitely not incontrovertible.

So controvert them. Don't feed me old unoriginal ignorant journalism.

Quote:Why you find it untenable that geo-engineering efforts/experimental projects are already under way at this time

I find it so because you haven't made the case. (It's YOU that makes it - not I. I have been helpful to you by clearing some litter away - but it's YOUR case, and I don't think you're making it.)

Quote:when the public are being desensitised to the "proposal" is between you and your pillow

You haven't made that case, either.

Quote:I am no more a Lemming than I am an Ostrich, neither am I a "chemmie"

There has to be opposition to the case you (should) make, otherwise it's there by default. This thread bears the title "The Danger from Above - Chemtrails". In this case you aren't making it, so it isn't there anyway. So what ARE you doing?

Quote:I've met a few in my time, they generally think they singularly have the "true" answers to everything under the Sun and like to preach so too. Good day.

I've met more than a few. They always lie, cheat, and run. You seem to fit the pattern.

Quote:nice picture, eh? How are you doing for depth? Maybe it's YOU that is in denial. shrugs.

It's just as "present" as the rest of your presentation.

Quote:don't forget to register the title of this article

Oh, yes I see it. As it's down in print it must be true.

^v^hooters ex · (This post was last modified: 04-13-2011 01:50 AM by ^v^hooters ex.)

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/jou...MC2006.pdf
Response?

Sure, when I have time, I will have a look and make one if possible. thanks for the link

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: That joke was contained within the "dirty jokes" video from Gilbert Gottfried posted a few days ago on the "sick jokes" thread...glad to know I am not the only unoriginal one
Exactly why I put it there. It had a matching stink to your C&P.

Really?? lol ok. Then why did you put the joke in a different setting and not just regurgitate it without added creative device, that would have suited your so called point here better, unless you just told a little Porkypie/Lie, of course. Wink

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: I am neither ignorant [of] the scientific explanations you forward
But you are.

No, not so completely, really and even if, nevertheless, still thinking they are not entirely applicable nor watertight in explaining what I have been describing here before your sermon pounced.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: I take on board your explanations, I do not think they conclusively explain what is happening above; here. In light of what I have attempted to describe, they are definitely not incontrovertible.
So controvert them. Don't feed me old unoriginal ignorant journalism.

Well, the fact the style of airplay and resultant trail mess looks like in a big jetplane gang red arrows theme party might be a clue and the sheer lack of sheer height of the jets on occasion might be another but you are deafened by a wall of Rayleigh's scattering apparently. It's not exactly a level playing ground with established science versus circumstantial evidence. Perhaps the aviation industry threw out the meme of chemtrails to suppress just how noxious the actual reality still is or perhaps still, you haven't thought out a reason more site specific than a complete global cirrus barrier and wouldn't be able to either due to preexisting beliefs. Anyway or other it all would could be put to good use for implementing Agenda 21, no doubt.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: Why you find it untenable that geo-engineering efforts/experimental projects are already under way at this time
I find it so because you haven't made the case. (It's YOU that makes it - not I. I have been helpful to you by clearing some litter away - but it's YOUR case, and I don't think you're making it.)

My case is that your position on this issue is informed by a limited perspective. ie. confined to theory only.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: when the public are being desensitised to the "proposal" is between you and your pillow
You haven't made that case, either.

It should be self-evident but I will give something to that when I am online again.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: I am no more a Lemming than I am an Ostrich, neither am I a "chemmie"
There has to be opposition to the case you (should) make, otherwise it's there by default. This thread bears the title "The Danger from Above - Chemtrails". In this case you aren't making it, so it isn't there anyway. So what ARE you doing?

Participating in the thread and about the same issue, that you fly a flag of a particular camp so stridently, is for you. I am individuating, I think. shrugs.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: I've met a few in my time, they generally think they singularly have the "true" answers to everything under the Sun and like to preach so too. Good day.
I've met more than a few. They always lie, cheat, and run. You seem to fit the pattern.

I am not doing any of these things; so, a slur, for a slur. Fair play, I suppose.

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: nice picture, eh? How are you doing for depth? Maybe it's YOU that is in denial. shrugs.
It's just as "present" as the rest of your presentation.

No, the photo is really present,though seeming deleted somehow.shrugs. I don'tknow if is in a petri dish or a real document of what it suggests. But, your appeal to distraction was definitely there and not without some clumsiness either. Also, on a different note, you might well be serve yourself by being less obtuse minded about areas outside of the mainstream comfort zone, such as high dose dmt experiences and the extremely common reported "grey alien abduction" phenomena. shrugs. Strassman might help: University of New Mexico study..enjoy

(04-09-2011 12:52 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: don't forget to register the title of this article
Oh, yes I see it. As it's down in print it must be true.

Antiptosis

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 04-13-2011 02:18 AM by JazzRoc.)

It's not exactly a level playing ground with established science versus circumstantial evidence

There we'll agree, but no doubt for different reasons.
You doubt my experience, well you'd have to EXPERIENCE my experience not to doubt it, and that won't happen, unless you read my blog and that isn't deep. Just useful.
What you need is DEPTH, and that takes time. If you "live" engineering and science for a few decades, you develop a greater perception, and a greater respect for evidence-sourcing and gathering, and logic and reason. A certain terseness and conditionality occurs to one...
"Circumstantial evidence" is too frequently gathered by people aware neither of how to gather evidence, nor of how to interpret what they have gathered. They are NOT terse, are normally truly unaware of the conditions within which a certain event occurred, unaware of the nature and parameters of changes that might occur due to the underlying physics (which they don't seem to understand), and are as a consequence more likely to produce OUIJA SCIENCE. Just spin the bottle, and.... pfft.
What is annoying is that "chemtrails" is such looneytunes compared with professional atmospheric science, which has been around for a half-century. Had they been around THEN they would have been ludicrous, as they are right now.
If you are a chemtrailer there is something wrong with you. You are NAPOLEON, and the only one in the world who knows.
"Chemtrails" is a social MEME, a negative one, fear-based, dissing schooling, science, authority, social stabilty. An atavism.

^v^hooters ex · 04-13-2011, 05:00 AM

(04-13-2011 02:18 AM)JazzRoc Wrote: It's not exactly a level playing ground with established science versus circumstantial evidence

There we'll agree, but no doubt for different reasons.
You doubt my experience, well you'd have to EXPERIENCE my experience not to doubt it, and that won't happen, unless you read my blog and that isn't deep. Just useful.
What you need is DEPTH, and that takes time. If you "live" engineering and science for a few decades, you develop a greater perception, and a greater respect for evidence-sourcing and gathering, and logic and reason. A certain terseness and conditionality occurs to one...
"Circumstantial evidence" is too frequently gathered by people aware neither of how to gather evidence, nor of how to interpret what they have gathered. They are NOT terse, are normally truly unaware of the conditions within which a certain event occurred, unaware of the nature and parameters of changes that might occur due to the underlying physics (which they don't seem to understand), and are as a consequence more likely to produce OUIJA SCIENCE. Just spin the bottle, and.... pfft.
What is annoying is that "chemtrails" is such looneytunes compared with professional atmospheric science, which has been around for a half-century. Had they been around THEN they would have been ludicrous, as they are right now.
If you are a chemtrailer there is something wrong with you. You are NAPOLEON, and the only one in the world who knows.
"Chemtrails" is a social MEME, a negative one, fear-based, dissing schooling, science, authority, social stabilty. An atavism.

I hear Buckminster Fuller was familiar with one of the admins here once, I don't know but their grasp of physics I can believe is probably not so weak. Does physics state it an impossibility for large aircraft to release inorganic chemicals at the low end of high altitude, in itself? Does the science of engineering, as it stands, prohibit the realisation of such an activity in any instance?

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 06:04 PM by JazzRoc.)

(04-13-2011 05:00 AM)^v^hooters ex Wrote: Does physics state it an impossibility for large aircraft to release inorganic chemicals at the low end of high altitude, in itself?

Of course not. But the design of normal passenger aircraft does make it an impossibility, and 99% of these CT vids portray THOSE, with their engine trails, with their engine trails showing a gap, meaning they're free of powdered metal oxides. (Such engines wouldn't survive anyway if they weren't.)

Quote:Does the science of engineering, as it stands, prohibit the realisation of such an activity in any instance?

In the manner they are always stated to be?
Yes, in that trails have two sources: engines and wings.*
Engines cannot dispense these materials without damaging themselves and revealing the light given off by these materials, in the case of dispensing Teller's Welsbach Materials (which really required releasing from 80,000 feet anyway).
Their flame temperature of 2,500 deg C would cheerfully COMBUST any purported Morgellons organic. It's why we sterilize things in flame.
Aerodynamic trails off the wings are formed by the instantaneous pressure reduction just off the high point of the TOP surface of the wing. They form quite obviously in a place where NO DELIVERY EQUIPMENT EXISTS, also in plain view of the occupants, who might miss this, as the condensing supercooled water vapor is initially formed of microscopic droplets. It is only several seconds later, thousands of feet further back, that these droplets have frozen and grown.

Is it in any way possible? Yes. 80,000 tanker spray flights involving the lifting of twenty million tons of Al/Ba nanoparticles to 40,000 ft would cool things for about a month. The brute lift to eight miles up (and presumably some distance to travel) would make the idea extremely expensive. It would be a lot cheaper to nuke a volcano. You get the altitude that way. Water is the transport mechanism for 40,000 ft and below. 80,000 ft puts you above the water vapor. Of course, there's no such thing as "clean" nuclear use. If we keep ignoring AGW and do nothing we might end up with this as a necessary option anyway. Well, not us. Our descendants. They'll not be grateful...

The whole idea is a titsup, and reveals more about the depths reached by ignorance and fear than it does anything else.
The same titsup exists with creationism v evolution and 911 "truth" v anyone with engineering experience.
These people are worse than titters running through courtrooms.
This shit is a smokescreen behind which I feel real wrongdoing is taking place somewhere.

* Fuel dumping takes place rarely, low-down, and the trail is thin, diffusing, continuous, greyer (after all, it's evaporating kerosine) and quite easily distinguishable from exhaust contrails, which are higher up, made of twinkly ice crystals, sunlit and tumbling in rarefied air.

Krise · 04-13-2011, 01:09 PM

Quote:The Chemtrail Kook and Worldwide Chemtrails Map
Wednesday, April 6th, 2011

Source: Chemtrail Kook. I am a former military pilot with 1000s of hours flying personnel and gear all over the planet. While in the military I had not yet had an awakening. After leaving the military for medical reasons, I was exposed to some information that caught my eye. As a matter of fact, I was building a website for a fire-fighter friend of mine. While I was finishing up the site and looking for tribute videos to the fallen heroes of 9-11, I came across a few threads uploaded by Pilots for 9-11 truth. I thought, hey, I’m a pilot, this looks interesting and tumbled into the rabbit hole.

That was 4 years ago, and since that time I have done copious study on the subject of 9-11, building architecture, and chemtrails. I am 100 percent convinced that building 1, 2 and 7 were taken down by explosives in a controlled demolition. I am active with Architects and Engineers for 9-11 truth and I encourage all who read this to study the materials available on their site and sign the petition for a new and impartial investigation. But I digress.

Chemtrails are a passion of mine, as I continue to see my loved ones suffer with upper respiratory problems, asthma, constant colds, and general ill health. I have extensive knowledge of the FAA, EPA, and ICAO aviation rules and regulations. I will take my last breath doing everything in my power to get chemtrail activity to STOP. I know there are numerous ideas circulating about the reasons why they are spraying, but I no longer concern myself with the theoretical. I care not about whether they are trying to covertly cool the planet, obscure Nibiru, cull the population, or change soil salinity to control food supply.

What I know is what I see every day. I see nearly continuous spraying operations over my home, and throughout the skies of places I travel. What I see are chemtrails. I know the difference between contrails and chemtrails. I have extensive education on meteorology, aircraft systems, and know exactly how contrails are born. I know all about the standard lapse rate, temperature inversions, types of fog, and factors that influence contrail formation.

In my studies of the chemtrial phenomenon, I have come across numerous websites, wordpress blogs,yahoo groups, etc. all discussing the problem and containing postings, photos, and videos. There are people building Google Maps, Flash maps, and posting data regarding air and soil samples. I have seen virtually every video produced on the chemtrails subject and highly recommend the film documentary What In The World Are They Spraying for those looking to understand the issue in more detail.

My conclusions about the above activity and level of activism have led my to understand that I am not alone. Military tacticians will tell you that an unorganized adversary is easy to conquer. Each website, blog, map, and data repository represents a cell of our growing movement. As it stands today, April 6,2011 there is still significant lack of cohesion within our ranks. The Map is a force multiplier that will change that.

read on: http://aircrap.org/the-chemtrail-kook-wo...ap/331204/

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 04-13-2011 03:50 PM by JazzRoc.)

(04-13-2011 01:09 PM)Krise Wrote: The Map is a force multiplier that will change that.

What, a Googlemap of people with working eyes but without working brains?

How useful.

I could see it as a negative recruitment/employment aid, in that those on such a list deserve to be overlooked when one is searching for employees, public representatives, political representatives, scientific representatives, or even just the vote.

But also a positive employment aid, where bad eggs or produce could be discarded from production lines employing such people instead of five-buck photocells.

Free the photocells!

Defendfreedom · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 03:54 PM by Defendfreedom.)

USA Today publishes story that sheds a light of truth what most have called a conspiracy theory since the late 1990s’. Chemtrails are real!

http://island-adv.com/2011/03/usa-today-...hemtrails/

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/env...5_CV_N.htm

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 06:23 PM by JazzRoc.)

(05-01-2011 03:48 PM)Defendfreedom Wrote: USA Today publishes story that sheds a light of truth what most have called a conspiracy theory since the late 1990s’. Chemtrails are real!

http://island-adv.com/2011/03/usa-today-...hemtrails/

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/env...5_CV_N.htm

Your link will not accept my comments. So YOU may have them:

"USA Today" - What exactly IS "USA Today"?

"Jet aircraft exhaust may be chemically modified" - How is that possible when then the temperature of the gas stream within a turbofan reaches 2,500 degrees Centigrade, causing any postulated metal particulate aerosols to instantly oxidize, slag, and "flux" all the exposed hot metal of the engine to imbalance, clogging, and destruction (usually in a matter of seconds?

"Can geoengineering put the freeze on global warming?" - Can you define what "geoengineering" is and quote even a single case where geoengineering has ever been used? Just ONE will do.

Just three simple questions. I wouldn't like your readers to believe you cheerfully reproduce pseudoscience, lies and slander just in order to make a fast buck. That would never do, would it?

(04-13-2011 05:00 AM)^v^hooters ex Wrote: Does physics state it an impossibility for large aircraft to release inorganic chemicals at the low end of high altitude, in itself?

No.
But they won't EVER release them these chemicals through the engines unless the pilots are quite happy to risk losing their lives.

Quote:Does the science of engineering, as it stands, prohibit the realization of such an activity in any instance?

No.
It has just NEVER BEEN SEEN OR PHOTOGRAPHED. Ever...

Well, not since the US sprayed the Ho Chi Min Trail with Agent Orange from around 3,000 ft in the late sixties, using Hercules transports spraying 2,4,5-D - which unfortunately contained dioxin.

Defendfreedom · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 06:55 PM by Defendfreedom.)

Jazzrock, USA today is only one of Americas biggest nation wide newspapers.
You really do make me laugh with your arrogance.
The difference between an intelligent man and an arrogant man is that an arrogant man pretends that he is intelligent while an intelligent man has no need for arrogance.

JazzRoc · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 10:25 PM by JazzRoc.)

(05-01-2011 06:55 PM)Defendfreedom Wrote: Jazzroc, USA today is only one of Americas biggest nation wide newspapers. You really do make me laugh with your arrogance.

So this paper is the product of non-specialized journalism.
As such, its technical analysis needs confirmation by a qualified technical person. Who might that be? You?
I only ask this because in my experience the non-specialized press is NOT a source of informed, technical, SCIENTIFIC opinion. And this subject IS scientific...

Quote:The difference between an intelligent man and an arrogant man is that an arrogant man pretends that he is intelligent while an intelligent man has no need for arrogance.

How you make this statement without noticing its irony is what keeps draggin' me back for more... meanwhile...

These statements below are all verifiable from WIKI, except for the 1: 10,000 exhaust ice to trail ice proportion, which you will find here:
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/sass/pub/jou...MC2006.pdf
the relevant statements are abstracted into my blog:
http://jazzroc.wordpress.com

All aircraft trails are definitely contrails. And this is why.
Burning kerosine makes an equal amount of water.
All long-distance planes cruise in the stratosphere which is stable and clear most all the time - except when it holds sometimes holds visible ice crystals in cirrus clouds.
The stratosphere can hold in supersaturation (only when very clean!) an excess of water as vapor.
This excess can boost the density of the trail by up to 10,000 times.
So 10,000 times as much ICE as the engines make by burning kerosine may be visible to you.
So all aircraft trails are DEFINITELY CONTRAILS.

All aircraft trails are definitely not "chemtrails".
The gap between engine and trail evidences the invisible exhaust vapors and gases emitted by the engines.
Metals don't make invisible vapors - in fact they're used in fireworks PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY MAKE BRIGHT COLORED FLAMES.
So there are no metals of any kind in the exhaust. IF THERE WERE, THERE WOULD BE NO GAP.
So there is NEITHER aluminum NOR barium present in ANY TRAIL, because trails ALWAYS begin with a GAP..
ANY organic material WILL burn in a jet flame at 2500 degrees to produce that GAP, for carbon dioxide (invisible) and steam (invisible) is what they MUST make.
No metals. No organics. Just spent fuel and air.
So all aircraft trails are DEFINITELY NOT "CHEMTRAILS".

The stratosphere was measured in 1994 to be supersaturated 17% of the time. This proportion will have risen with the increased air travel over the intervening fifteen years, but I don't know by what amount.
Seeing that stratospheric aviation has increased fifty-fold over the last fifty years it is reasonable to expect a lessening of the color blue in our skies.
There is some considerable irony in the fact that the 10,000 to 1 dilution of the exhaust ice by aggregated stratospheric (pure) water vapor would definitely guarantee a purity to the trail ice superior to the chemtrailer's tapwater.

Defendfreedom · (This post was last modified: 05-01-2011 10:07 PM by Defendfreedom.)

JazzRoc as i said you make me laugh.

A new preliminary draft report by Arizona Skywatch shows dramatic increases in heavy metals that simply do not belong in our air. NOTE: The level of Manganese is so shockingly high that Arizona Skywatch also included additional information about it (see below)
http://carnicominstitute.org/perlingieri.html?reload