100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes

[Negentropic]

9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera Official Trailer.mov by Collin Alexander aka 'Ace' Baker

"9/11 - The Great American Psy-Opera is a scientific, historical, and musical exploration of 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming, the film reaches the only possible conclusions. Tragically, the filmmaker gave his life for the cause he believed in.

The film is presented in 11 chapters, beginning with chapter 1 on September 11, with a new chapter each week."











Composite Tease - by Collin Alexander

[rsol]

they deny the wake vortex. there you go... what more needs to be said of this. deny even what's on the videos. LIES!!

oh yeah and its the first plane. it moves too fast and is at the wrong angle for its direction. if it were landing it would be facing up a bit more and it wobbles unnaturally and the reflection doesn't move. NEXT!!! scratch that. now that i look at the second, they are both fake. that glow from the fuselage should travel.

this video actually helps my point although its a no-planer video. please notice what the guys making the "identical" plane miss when they make a fake alongside its a good way to see the difference between a fake and the real thing. forget the explosions check the outline of the building compared to the real plane and the fake. spot the gap?





the best place to look is when it states "sometimes we get it right" no im not making this up. you just couldnt write this



just to give you more from these guys arguing amongst themselves.

[Bull Medicine]

(07-27-2011 09:01 AM)rsol Wrote:  

Quote:You're an overly self important and self aggrandizing bore, that much is blatantly clear anyway.

you see? not even remotely funny. you even resort to picking on spelling errors.....

your imagination is very limited and in your frustration you lash out at greater minds.

Its not self agrandissement. I'm a relativist, im only talking about me in relation to you...



As i have stated OVER AND OVER. you are talking about collapse and collapse theory, put options, vicsims ect ect. read the title of the thread. this is talking about no-planes hitting those buildings. what are you here to discuss?

focus.

"You're an overly self important and self aggrandizing bore, that much is blatantly clear anyway."

QED

lol

btw. the ONLY thing I have linked to in this thread is info regarding looking into Dr. Judy Wood's research. INCLUDING her resume´.

this is what you said:

"your imagination is very limited and in your frustration you lash out at greater minds.

Its not self agrandissement. I'm a relativist, im only talking about me in relation to you..."

you really have an ego problem

Maybe STFU for the time being and look into Wood's work, little dick

[rsol]

still nothing of worth to say? have you read it?

tell you what. lets listen to the teacher herself...









the most important word used in this lecture is "maybe"

this is funny





what my question to you is, why do you think judy wood has any relevance to your no-plane theory?

[Negentropic]

Judy Wood is 100% a No-Planer.

She's said so many times in past interviews. She doesn't get into it now on her recent Rense interviews because she knows people are just looking for an excuse not to look at her evidence and No-Planes to most is the ULTIMATE cognitive dissonance, causing condemnation before investigation which does nobody any good. She wants full investigation of the facts before judgment, not more retards condemning her. She's had plenty of that for the past 5 years.

Her research proves through nothing but empirical evidence that there could not possibly have been a standard demolition or any planes while Shack's and Ace Baker's work on the proven video fakery in ALL the videos, PLUS the existence of only 249 death certificates out of a claimed 2970 and not a single 'last addresss of residence' on file for any of them, seals it shut.

Try to find a single photo of a single plane part (other than the 2 planted pieces already mentioned a hundred times on this thread) in Judy Wood's book or on her entire website. Better yet try to find it ANYWHERE on the internet.

If someone believes in PLANES like Alex 'Charlie-I've-Seen-Your-Hernia' Jones or Sasquatch Rense, then they can't also believe that Direct Energy Weapons were used to dustify the buildings. That's because there is no way that all the hundreds of thousands of plane parts, EVERY LAST ONE, would have all dustified and disappeared. This direct energy weapon, whatever it was, destroys steel but leaves alluminum and paper intact. The buildings dustified but there was still evidence of building materials there or that there used to be a building there, despite there not being any phones, computers or filing cabinets left, etc. There was no evidence whatsoever that planes had been there. This, despite the fact that planes are mostly alluminum and this weapon does not destroy alluminum. Therefore there is simply NO WAY POSSIBLE that EVERY LAST MINUSCULE PART of the many 100s of Thousands of parts from two huge planes would just disappear into thin air. Combine that with NOTHING BUT FAKED VIDEOS and the FAKE VIC-SIMS or at the very most ONLY 249 confirmed dead with death certificates but no last address of residence, and the case is shut closed

Whether the planes actually took off and went somewhere friggin else is not the point at question here. Wherever they went and even if it can be proven that they had actual passengers, they didn't end up at the WTC complex on 9/11, that's for certain.

The hardest thing in the world is for people to admit they were wrong or that they were duped by an even bigger lie than they thought was possible. All you die-hard plane-huggers can now join the club


And by the way, when is Steven Jones's NANOTHERMATE book coming out? I can't wait !





And where's this gatekeeping fool now, back working in a Pizza shop?

[rsol]

Quote:Her research proves through nothing but empirical evidence that there could not possibly have been a standard demolition or any planes while Shack's and Ace Baker's work on the proven video fakery in ALL the videos, PLUS the existence of only 249 death certificates out of a claimed 2970 and not a single 'last addresss of residence' on file for any of them, seals it shut.

yes she seals it shut with the word maybe. she gives absolutely NO evidence except to assume the government has such a device.

And where does vicsims play into a no-plane theory? with or without passengers those planes went into those buildings. you talk of conclusive rara, state cognitive dissonance without even understanding its meaning.

[Negentropic]

(08-02-2011 06:06 PM)rsol Wrote:  

Quote:Her research proves through nothing but empirical evidence that there could not possibly have been a standard demolition or any planes while Shack's and Ace Baker's work on the proven video fakery in ALL the videos, PLUS the existence of only 249 death certificates out of a claimed 2970 and not a single 'last addresss of residence' on file for any of them, seals it shut.

yes she seals it shut with the word maybe. she gives absolutely NO evidence except to assume the government has such a device.

And where does vicsims play into a no-plane theory? with or without passengers those planes went into those buildings. you talk of conclusive rara, state cognitive dissonance without even understanding its meaning.

Yeah right! With or without passengers the planes went into buildings? You mean like 'Remote Control Global Hawk' and that loony theory?

Let's see you prove you can replicate those IMPOSSIBLE FLIGHT PATHS and maneuvers by remote control when experienced pilots like John Lear & the Pilots for 9/11 Truth

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

have already determined that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a seasoned pilot to fly those paths at those speeds and hit the target.

For expert commentary on what is and is not possible in plane flight from John Lear, these are the audios from 3 years ago:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202008.mp3

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202008.mp3

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202008.mp3





John Lear's Father, Bill Lear, inventor of the Lear Jet

Now, John Lear also used to believe in UFO's and moon colonies and shit like that but that's no different than millions of Christians believeing the Jesus fairy tales of immaculate conception and other nonsense like that. His unmatched expertise as a pilot in flying is what counts

Quote:John Lear, retired airline captain, with over 19,000 hours of flight-time, has flown in over 100 different types of planes in 60 different counties around the world.

Son of Lear Jet inventor, Bill Lear, John is the only pilot to hold every FAA airplane certificate, to include airplane transport rating, flight instructor, ground instructor, flight navigator, engineer, aircraft dispatcher, airframe powerplant mechanic, parachute rigger, and tower operator.

He flew secret missions for the CIA in Central and Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1966 and 1983. He has flown as Captain and check pilot for over 10 different airlines.

John held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. He was the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Switzerland in 1959 and in the 1970's owned and skippered the Americas Cup boat, the Soliloquy, out of Marina Del Rey.

In 1968, John raced a Douglas B26 Invader in the unlimited class at the Reno air races.

He was a Senior Vice Commander of the China Post 1, the American Legion Post for Soldiers of Fortune. He is a 20 year member of the special operations Association.

John is the current owner and operator of the only permitted gold mine operation Cutthroat Mining Corporation in Clarke County, Nevada. His efforts to clean up the Treasure Hawk Gold Butte mine won him the state of Nevada award for excellence in mining reclamation in 1999. John is a MSHA (Mine, Safety, and Health Administration) and holds a blaster license from the Nevada certified mining instructor from the Nevada State Fire Marshall.

John's passion for the preservation and documentation of the history of the Gold Butte has made him a authority on the area.

John has been a resident of Las Vegas since 1994 and was a republican State Senate candidate in 1980.

John has 4 daughters, 2 grandchildren, and lives with his wife in Las Vegas. - Las Vegas businesswoman, Mary Lee Lear in Sunrise Manor.

In 1988, John met and became friends with Bob Lazar, the government scientist who worked on the back-engineering of the propulsion system of the extraterrestrial UFOs at area S-4. That's just outside the infamous and ultrasecret Area 51.

In March 1989, Lazar took John to an area close to Rachel Nevada where he witnessed the flight of a flying saucer at the exact time Lazar told him it would occur.

If I put a bullet in someone in a country of bush-people that had never seen a gun, that wouldn't mean that guns didn't exist. It would just mean that those people in that backwards country couldn't conceive of guns yet. They would probably think the guy got killed by a spear or some other method they're familiar with. You're in the position of that bushman. Same exact thing applies to advanced secret weapons.

By the way, whatever this weapon is, it destroys steel but not alluminum and paper, so most of the plane, being alluminum should have stayed intact.

Now go and find ONE plane part and show it to us because you're starting to look real silly here with this endless stubborn refusal to budge an inch from your position. It's really immature.


John Lear's 9/11 No Plane Affidavit:

http://www.drjudywood.com/pdf/080128_94A...itLear.pdf

[rsol]

yes but putting a bullet into someone then claiming it was a laser beam from the 25th century would make you a nutcase. mud hut dwellers or not. and just because you are ignorant of this stuff please dont assume it of the rest of us.

Quote:By the way, whatever this weapon is, it destroys steel but not alluminum and paper, so most of the plane, being alluminum should have stayed intact.

fantastic. read that sentence back to yourself for a minute. whatever this weapon is.... why cant it destroy Aluminium? because of your say so? did you ever think that such devices have other effects? as with the hutchinson effect, he would never put his hand in there for good reason. you assume such things in order to hold your rather wobbly bubble together. but i suppose if you are going to invent a device from your own imagination you can decide whatever it can and cant do. here on earth its always nice to have the odd fact thrown in for good measure.


Those plane parts are already on record bud. you deny that a plane exists then deny the evidence of its existance. this is the bit about cognitive dissonance you dont get. the reason you believe in all of this is YOUR stubborn refusal to question yourself. 100% without doubt. only fools could be so sure...


I have asked you question apon question about the video. I have explained in detail exactly where you have gone wrong in your assessment. you ignore everthing about the video evidence and concentrate on judy woods. her reasearch has NO standing on your no-plane theory whether she agrees with it or not. Her research is to do with COLLAPSE THEORY. nothing more.

[icosaface]

Don't ramble on about plane parts, there are none with tracking serial numbers on them showing that they came from the aircraft that supposedly hit the WTC or the Pentagon. It really doesn't matter what was used at this point in the investigation, what matters is that the official explanation is shown to be a fabricated falsehood. Once that is established we can ramp up the forensic investigation of the 911 syndrome.

[rsol]

Quote:Yeah right! With or without passengers the planes went into buildings? You mean like 'Remote Control Global Hawk' and that loony theory

whereas some space laser blasting the building to shreds is much more credible...

[p4r4]

(08-03-2011 05:26 PM)rsol Wrote:  

Quote:Yeah right! With or without passengers the planes went into buildings? You mean like 'Remote Control Global Hawk' and that loony theory

whereas some space laser blasting the building to shreds is much more credible...

[Negentropic]

Why 9/11 victims' names are missing from federal registry of deaths
Thomas Hargrove, Scripps Howard News Service
Friday, August 5, 2011



Authorities in New York City and at the Social Security Administration now have explanations for why most of the 3,000 victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks are missing from an important federal registry of deaths.

The federal government was fully informed by city officials about all of the tragic deaths -- authorities agree -- but was prevented from publicly releasing them because of a morass of reporting laws and restrictions.

Since few bodies were recovered from the collapsed World Trade Center's twin towers, privately owned funeral homes did not independently report the deaths to the Social Security Administration, as is their common practice.

But these reasons raise new and troubling questions about the reliability of the Death Master File -- a public record overseen by Social Security and widely used by credit agencies, banks and other business interests. The file was created in 1980 under a Freedom of Information lawsuit brought by U.S. businesses seeking protection from identity theft and consumer fraud.

The embarrassing reporting failure for 9/11 victims was uncovered by a Scripps Howard News Service investigation that also found that nearly 32,000 living Americans have falsely been reported as dead, causing them difficulties with police, denying them credit cards and bank loans, and even hurting efforts to obtain jobs.

Although few Americans have heard of the Death Master File, it is frequently used in a variety of medical research and even determines eligibility for critically ill Americans awaiting organ transplants.

"I am very concerned that it appears that so many of those who died on 9/11 cannot be found in the Death Master File," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y. She asked for an explanation from city, state and federal authorities.

"The agencies responded and stated that current protocols were followed. I will be looking into what can be done to get better protections and increased accuracy ," Maloney said.

According to the official Death Master File, only 405 people died in the state of New York on Sept. 11, 2001 -- just a slight increase from the state's daily average of about 350 deaths.

New York City officials , at Maloney's request, reviewed their records and confirmed that they had reported all of the victims of the 9/11 attacks to the federal government. "Even though all New York City deaths are reported ... the deaths are not public information," City Health Commissioner Thomas Farley told Maloney.

Social Security Administration Commissioner Michael Astrue, who has declined requests for interviews with Scripps Howard, agreed in a letter to Maloney.
"We cannot legally share all of our death information," said Astrue. "If we received the report of death from a source other than a state (or city) government, the name of a victim could appear on the public Death Master File."
But there were special circumstances that prevented the 9/11 deaths from getting into the Death Master File.

"In most cases there were no physical remains , so (private) funeral directors were not involved," said Steven Schwartz, vital-records registrar for New York City.

Another major non-government source of death reports are family members who are eligible to receive Social Security survivor benefits.

"In our vital-records analysis of those deaths, we determined that about 70 percent of these people were under 40," said Susan Craig, a spokeswoman for the New York City Health Department.
Schwartz agreed.

"There is no question that these were largely younger people," he said. "When there are younger victims, [/b] there may not be survivors" to claim federal benefits. [/b]
As a result, [/b] more than 90 percent of New York's victims were not recorded in the Death Master File. [/b]

"We've always said that the Death Master File is not a complete record of all deaths," said Social Security spokesman Mark Hinkle. "It is only an extract of information in our records."


http://www.independentmail.com/news/2011...-registry/



Oh yeah !!!!!!

Now, that's some explanation for you !!! Everything is answered now. No more questions. All hail Mr. Schwartz and the rest of the agencies involved for this truly GROUND-BREAKING new info !

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(08-03-2011 05:26 PM)rsol Wrote:  

Quote:Yeah right! With or without passengers the planes went into buildings? You mean like 'Remote Control Global Hawk' and that loony theory

whereas some space laser blasting the building to shreds is much more credible...

Absolutely 100% more credible. Just as credible as a proof of a gun from a bullet found in somebody's murder in Africa would be to somebody who grew up in a bush if and when the gun was actually fired in front of his superstitious eyes and killed something or someone else. If you're not a superstitious bushman and you've seen scientific progress and nookoolar weapons, then what's the problem? The demonstration is in front of your eyes and you refuse to believe it. Just because they didn't NAME it the ATOMIC bomb or A NOOKOOLAR weapon doesn't mean it didn't happen because the evidence says it happened and these are not nuke or 'nanothermite' related phenomena.

Here's 500 pages of nothing but solid empirical evidence for your right here,





Buy it and read it from cover to cover. The book is a superb distillation of all the info on the website that you can't get from the website.



where's even ONE SINGLE PLANE PART of your empirical evidence for ANY PLANES, never mind 'Remote Controlled Global Hawk' ?



DOV ZAKHEIM, the scumbag trillions-stealing crook who practically called for 9/11 (the necessity of a Pearl Harbor-like incident) in that PNAC paper is almost certainly involved in 9/11

Quote:Rabbi Dov Zakheim – Co-author of the PNAC paper on rebuilding America’s defenses advocating the necessity of a Pearl Harbor-like incident to mobilize America. Served as Pentagon comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. Two large sums of money disappeared from the Pentagon under him. In the beginning $2.3 trillion was reported missing by Donald Rumsfeld (September 10, 2001) and later Zakheim was unable to account for another trillion dollars. Zakheim also had squads of American F-15s and F-16s sold as surplus to Israel at a fraction of their value.

Dov Zakheim's System Planning Corporation – remote airplane control technology

The SPC Corporation provided the flight termination system and command transmitter system, the technology that allows planes to be remote controlled should the pilots be incapacitated or the plane hijacked.

http://www.whale.to/b/israel_did_911.html

but despite Zakheim being involved with remote airplane control technology, there simply is no proof remote controlled planes or any other planes hit the WTC towers on 9/11. It's possible that they were flown with or without passengers or with fake passengers somewhere else to show up on radar, etc.

[Negentropic]

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/08/...about.html



TUESDAY, AUGUST 2, 2011


James Fetzer

An Open Letter to Anthony Lawson about "Absurdities"
Re: "9/11: The Absurdity of the No-Planes-in-New York Theory"

Anthony,

Just for the record, you and I have gone round and round over this for years--where you have saved up every exchange we ever had so you could cull them for quotes taken out of context, exaggerate my positions, and suppress information about my actual views. As an example, you claim I have a lot of articles with similar names, but you doesn't actually cite the most important among them,

"New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Pro...9-132.html


Moreover, you love to shade the truth. Joe Keith, for example, actually designed the shaker system for Boeing, which is used to determine when a plane is going to come apart in flight. You suppress the information that the speed of the plane in the videos (of 560 mph) appears to have been a lapse by using its cruising speed at 35,000 feet as if it could be attained at 700-1,000 feet as well, where the air is three times as dense and the turbines cannot suck the air through them, which causes them to function as brakes.



Nor do you mention that Pilots for 9/11 Truth has confirmed that this was an aerodynamically impossible speed for a Boeing 767, where you love to talk about "special planes". But no matter how "special", no plane could have entered the building in violation of Newton's laws. A real plane would have crumpled, its wings and tail broken off, while seats, bodies, and luggage fell to the ground. The engines would have made it into the building, but not most of the rest of a highly fragile aluminum "flying beer can".

Your claims are preposterous. An obvious study to have cited, were you actually an honest broker, would have been Pilots' study,

"9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed"
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/wtc_speed



You know better than you pretend, where my most recent articles were published at Veterans Today, which apparently enraged you. I do not understand your proprietary interest in all this, but it clearly exists--and his arguments, when properly understood and placed in context minus the exaggerations and distortions--are without merit. See, for example,

"Inside Job: Seven Questions about 9/11"
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/05/...about-911/



"Inside Job: More Proof of 9/11 Duplicity"
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/11/...duplicity/


But most of all, "9/11 Intercepted"






from Pilots, which shows that a Boeing 767 would have been unmanageable and fallen apart at the speed shown in those videos.

How many of these studies have you actually read, Anthony? Because they provide a framework and background for understanding video fakery:

Elias Davidsson, "There is no evidence that Muslims committed the crime of 9/11"

http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-i...1-366.html

David Ray Griffin, "Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...&aid=16924



Leslie Raphael, "Jules Naudet's 9/11 Film was Staged"

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/naudet/raphael.htm



Jim Fetzer, "New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/New-Pro...9-132.html


Killtown, What didn't happen at Shanksville
http://www.nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim...%20Oct.mp3
http://www.nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim...20hall.mp3




Your article
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/augus...nes_al.php

and video







are full of partial evidence and half-truths, which I fear is a form of deliberate misinformation. The number of those who would have to be "in on it" regarding the Naudet video, for example, is grossly exaggerated. Most of those involved in something like this have no idea that what they are doing is not on "the up and up."

I notice you do not mention a study by Leslie Raphael, "Jules Naudet's 9/11 Film was Staged",
http://www.spingola.com/jules_naudet.htm

which supports the opposite conclusion, where I have already explained to you why it was important that the shot be OUT OF FOCUS to not give away the missing plane. Something was flying by, but it does not appear to have been a Boeing 767.

Your reliance upon the Eric Salter study is especially revealing. Whether what Salter is alleged to have found is 8% or even 18% deceleration, that is not going to explain why the plane's velocity did not fall to zero. The plane was intersecting with eight (8) floors of steel trusses connected to the core columns at one end and the external support columns at the other, which, of course, were also filled with 4-8" of concrete, which, at 208' x 208', represents an acre of concrete apiece.


As I explain in "More Proof of 9/11 Duplicity"

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/11/...duplicity/

(with a diagram), they would have created enormous horizontal resistance. The windows were only 18" wide and the support columns were a meter apart. There were no windows between floors, so most of the facade was steel, which is far more dense than aluminum. The video is a fantasy.

As I have challenged you before without receiving any response, how would it be possible for the plane--in both Hezarkhani and Faribanks' videos--to pass through their own length into the building in the same number of frames they pass through their own length in air? This is a perfect example of how you skip over and exclude evidence you don't like.

That result proves that the videos are fake (because it would be impossible unless those 500,000 ton buildings provided no more resistance to the plane's trajectory than air) but also demonstrates that there was no deceleration and that Stalter's study is wrong. And of course you ignore that it was necessary to fake the plane

(1) to insure that it actually hit the building, which many members of Pilots were unable to accomplish with repeated trials;

(2) that it penetrate completely inside of it in order to create the false impression of a cause for the buildings' collapse; and,

(3) only then "exploded", which had to be precisely coordinated in time to account for the explosions in the sub-basements.

Those occurred 14 and 17 seconds BEFORE reverberations from those alleged impacts, as I have explained in "Seven Questions about 9/11".

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/05/...about-911/

See my "9/11: Seismic Proof + Video Fakery = Inside Job"
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/06/...nside.html

, in case you missed it, which is easily accessible and includes the Original Seimic & Commision Times data table



Which raises obvious questions about what you think you are doing here and why you commit so many straw man, special pleading, and ad hominem arguments. But on this point we can agree: There certainly is a lot of disinformation out there!

Jim

James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.
McKnight Professor Emeritus
University of Minnesota Duluth
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/
POSTED BY JIM FETZER AT 4:08 PM






5 COMMENTS:

William Giltner said...
Jim,

I do believe you are devoted to the truth, and I respect you for paying attention to people like Ace Baker and Web Fairy.

I'm certainly not a defender of Anthony Lawson, and his arguments.

Moreover, there continues to be a logical option which your argument here and elsewhere does not allow for. Namely, at the WTC, there were high tech decoy planes which had various types of laser weapons, and cloaking technologies. The videos of opening holes, and planes "disappearing" into those holes in the buildings are in fact real depictions of pre-set exposives, AND real objects striking (piercing) WTC 1 and WTC 2.
AUGUST 2, 2011 10:03 PM

Jim Fetzer said...
William,

I appreciate your sincerity, but it is impossible for the image of the plane seen in these videos to be the image of a real plane. It is not only that it has an impossible speed and makes an impossible entry but that IT PASSES THROUGH ITS OWN LENGTH INTO THE BUILDING IN THE SAME NUMBER OF FRAMES IT PASSES THROUGH ITS OWN LENGTH IN AIR. That would be possible only if a 500,000 ton building provides no more resistance to the trajectory of an airplane than air.

This is the argument that convinced me--and I would hope that it will also convince you. There are many other hypotheses, such as the one you suggest, but only the holographic projection (which might actually have cloaked a missile, which I do not believe but I could be wrong) could satisfy the conditions of (a) impossible speed, (b) impossible entry, and © passing through its own length in the same number of frames that it passes through its own length in air.

Jim
AUGUST 2, 2011 10:23 PM

JEANNON said...
Isn't Anthony Lawson the author of the "This is an Orange" video"?

Time for a new video - "This is a Rotten Apple".
AUGUST 3, 2011 3:57 AM

GodSend said...
Hi, Jim

I continue to be amazed at your patience in answering comments by various people on VT who present one weak argument after another, while stonewalling your scientifically-based points that there could not have been any airliners which crashed into the WTC and caused their collapse into their own footprints in record time. And then there is the collapse on WTC #7, of course. When Larry Silverstein said: "Pull it!", he wasn't speaking to some Muslims with box cutters!

While your scientifically-based conclusions should convince any sane and unbiased person that there were NO PLANES involved in bringing down the WTC, is there any point in endless discussions with people who are either not sane or who have a discernible bias in favor of the Zionist state of Israel? As Dr. Alan Sabrosky keeps saying, "Israel (Mossad) did it", and isn't that THE most important fact about 911 which EVERY American had better understand before delving into the "what", "how" and "why" about 911?!

Two presidents (and high-ranking folks in their Administrations) have committed HIGH TREASON by protecting a foreign state (Israel) which attacked America on 911 in broad daylight (not for the 1st time, either!) in a murderous, heinous and cold-blooded attack on America. Our 1st priority should and MUST be to bring the criminals and TRAITORS to justice - and not waste any more precious time and energy in pursuing 911 issues of secondary importance.

When the 911 criminals are brought to justice, they will confess every little detail about exactly HOW they did it and WHO helped them do it and cover it up! Of course, some sort of water-boarding my prove useful. Or, we can just shoot (them) first - and ask questions later!

Considering that the Zionists also control America's Courts (up to and including the Supreme Court), there is a lot to be said for shooting first and asking questions later! Just think of 911 Judge Alvin Hellerstein when thinking about obtaining relief (and justice) in America's Courts!

You've done a lot of excellent work in exposing 911 truth, Jim, - it's now time to put the focus on the (KNOWN) 911 criminals - BEFORE they can execute 911-II!
AUGUST 5, 2011 10:19 AM

Ace Baker said...
Understanding both the capabilities and the limitations of video compositing technology, and giving consideration for which videos were shown live versus which appeared late), will yield only two possibilities: either a Boeing 767 crashed into WTC2, or else there was no flying object of any kind whatsoever, and digital airplanes were inserted into the videos.

Then, a study of the available videos will demonstrate overwhelming proof of the video composite hypothesis.

-Ace Baker

[rsol]

Quote:but despite Zakheim being involved with remote airplane control technology, there simply is no proof remote controlled planes or any other planes hit the WTC towers on 9/11. It's possible that they were flown with or without passengers or with fake passengers somewhere else to show up on radar, etc.

but despite absolutely no proof to there being "some kind of energy weapon" you are totally convinced a remote controlled plane would have no possible chance. why is your imagination taking precedent over rational, well thought out arguements?

Quote:from Pilots, which shows that a Boeing 767 would have been unmanageable and fallen apart at the speed shown in those videos.

how long would it of taken to break up? instantly?

Quote:Absolutely 100% more credible

bullshit. ive got a much more credible scenario you havent thought of but has equal proof. they came down from the power of "the force" prove me wrong. you just have to find yoda and get him to deny it...

[JazzRoc]

(08-02-2011 09:03 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  Try to find a single photo of a single plane part (other than the 2 planted pieces already mentioned a hundred times on this thread) in Judy Wood's book or on her entire website. Better yet try to find it ANYWHERE on the internet.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ai...artsnyc911

Look at this: landing gear embedded in a detached exterior column sub-assembly. I repeat - embedded in.

Exactly WHEN might they have smuggled that in place?

Quote:If someone believes in PLANES like Alex 'Charlie-I've-Seen-Your-Hernia' Jones or Sasquatch Rense, then they can't also believe that Direct Energy Weapons were used to dustify the buildings. That's because there is no way that all the hundreds of thousands of plane parts, EVERY LAST ONE, would have all dustified and disappeared.

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/ai...artsnyc911

Quote:Therefore there is simply NO WAY POSSIBLE that EVERY LAST MINUSCULE PART of the many 100s of Thousands of parts from two huge planes would just disappear into thin air.

Well, NO. It could melt if the fire temperatures rose above 660 Centigrade. And that's the temperature at which all local exposed structural steel has lost HALF of its strength.



That's the corner (one floor up) that the aircraft wreckage ended up in. The molten material is most likely to be DURALUMIN at a temperature of 1200 deg C, considerably above its melting point, judging by its color.
It is NOT likely to be thermite, because thermite iron is created at a temperature (2,500 degrees Centigrade, a blue/white color) which allows it to immediately DESCEND through ANY material except an exotic ceramic, and consequently couldn't possibly fall outside.
http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
If you read through the above ref then you will see the topic thoroughly explored. Ending thus:

"So the tests that the conspiracy theorist cited only had atmospheric temperatures ranging around 800-900 degrees, while the Popular Mechanics article (and NIST report) mentions that pockets of the World Trade Center reached 1800 degrees. This would put the steel temperature in those locations at around 1600-1700 degrees, which is far above the 1100 degree mark that steel loses 50% of its structural integrity.
I just thought it was a pretty striking example of dishonesty. The conspiracy theorist site could not have found that Corus study without finding the question on the atmospheric temperature, but left that part out. Some 'truth movement'."

Quote:Combine that with NOTHING BUT FAKED VIDEOS

Showing wake vortices and Crow instabilities in the smoke and dust of the impact explosions.



Dead smart for video artists, when those topics are so arcane, even for aerodynamicists.

Quote:and the FAKE VIC-SIMS or at the very most ONLY 249 confirmed dead with death certificates

Oh. really? Well that's what you would say, considering your demonstrated, and selective, inability to look up references.

Quote:And where's this gatekeeping fool now, back working in a Pizza shop?

That isn't my idea of the behavior of a "superior mind". At all.