100% Conclusive Proof of No-Planes & TV-Fakery on 9/11 in under 8 minutes

[Hans Olo]

If there was a video that showed the towers, no plane, only explosions, could that be absolute proof of no planes?

[rsol]

not really. it would have to be at an angle that SHOULD show the plane enter the building. plenty from the wrong angle exist.

[JazzRoc]

Ahem.


Something the size, weight, and speed of a Boeing 757 entered here. This is forensic evidence. How many different photos of this evidence exist in private hands?


This non-realtime long-distance shot (off a video sequence) shows the attached wing vortices a couple of seconds after impact.
Anyone experienced in engineering or compositing will tell you this is MORE REAL than any human imagination could fabricate.

Those vortices were the manifestation of rotational energy put into the air by the passage of 200 tons of airliner. Their low-pressure centres caused them to stick to a surface, and their rotational energy cross-coupled with "neighbors" to make "babies". There's a typo in the image: the name of the phenomenon is the "Crow Instability", and it sometimes is seen in high-altitude contrails left by military aircraft with higher wing loadings and angles of attack.

[rsol]

for anyone else. he means the wings make swirly bits in the air and they are on that smoke cloud.

[JazzRoc]

(02-25-2011 03:43 PM)rsol Wrote:  for anyone else. he means the wings make swirly bits in the air and they are on that smoke cloud.

That's very kind of you. I do indeed.

Those "swirly bits" are VORTICES and are found attached to ANY WING THAT IS LIFTING A LOAD.
They remain behind after the wing has passed ahead, and take several minutes to die away in calm air.
Here the air wasn't so calm...

[Negentropic]

Plane-Huggers of the world Unite !!! After all you're making zero progress every day and still no plane parts or a single authentic 'high-quality' non-doctored secret-government-stash video anywhere in sight. Time to celebrate a decade of visionary and oh-so-farsighted plane-hugging and complete trust in the upstanding human beings of the mainstream media with the Plane-Huggers' 10-Year Anniversary Bash in a couple of months. May you all have a grand old time !

Don't want to tax anyone's cognitive dissonance too much so we'll give you another few tiny bites to chew on. Little by little and with baby steps one of these days you may just come to realize that 2+2 does not equal 5 and that yes, the honchos of the mass-media machine do indeed think that the goyim of the world are that stupid, brainwashed and easy to manipulate.

Quote: 911 AMATEUR part3 - Simon Shack





This is a video analysis of 4 so-called "AMATEUR" shots of "flight 175" hitting WTC2 on 9/11. The inescapable conclusion is that they have all been forged to back up the poor forgeries of impacting 'airplanes' seen on LIVE TV.

THE SHOTS ARE CREDITED TO :
1 : Evan Fairbanks
2 : Luc Courchesne
3 : Michael Hezarkhani
4 : Tina Cart

Let's move on and see how this evidence - along with all the other regarding impossible collapses etc... - can be brought to a court of law.


911 AMATEUR part1 :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qbYAV5fCGiM&fmt=6

911 AMATEUR part2 :
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yjQmxS-DpyM&fmt=6


To download my main 9/11 research "SEPTEMBER CLUES" in high resolution, please visit :
http://www.thesocialservice.it

Quote: 911 ACTORS by Simon Shack









PROPAGANDA 911 by Simon Shack







THE RATIONALE OF THE 9/11 HOAX


If you have come to terms with the fact that 9/11 was a massive money-making scheme and - of course - a pretext to wage hugely profitable wars, the basic rationale behind this Grand Hoax should, hopefully, become clearer. It is essential to consider all the variables which such an audacious false-flag operation would entail and what precautions its plotters must have observed: The 9/11 Deception Plan was undoubtedly meant to be foolproof and, ideally, free of unnecessary elements of risk and opposition. There was simply no rationale for the 9/11 plotters to commit a mass murder of some 3,000, mostly white-collar professionals (brokers, bankers, financial analysts, etc.) whose families would likely have access to first-rate, uptown legal assistance. Surely, killing that many people would have been an utterly senseless, self-inflicted aggravation on the part of the perpetrators. Since they could reliably rely on the fully compliant top-brass of the mainstream media, they would have used this unique, exclusive asset to its full potential.

Ever since day one, the major hurdle for many people to even start considering 9/11 being an inside job has been: "I cant believe my own government would murder 3000 of their own people". Once that psychological obstacle is removed, it should become apparent that the whole operation consisted essentially of a covert demolition of a redundant, asbestos-filled building complex. To kill thousands of people in the process never was an envisaged proposition as it would have encountered severe resistance among the insiders involved. The second objective was to blame this destruction on a foreign enemy; an inanely fanciful, outlandish tale involving hijacked airliners used as missiles was concocted, supported by digital imagery and special movie effects. How this was done is thoroughly illustrated in my September Clues video analyses. - Simon Shack

[yeti]

(06-27-2011 08:50 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  Plane-Huggers of the world Unite !!! After all you're making zero progress every day and still no plane parts or a single authentic 'high-quality' non-doctored secret-government-stash video anywhere in sight.

Keep spouting your lies and making the truth movement look like kooks. We're all so impressed.

Do you enjoy working for the government, even if you're not getting paid?

[Negentropic]

Another thing which must be stressed again and again to penetrate the gigantic garden-variety plane-hugger wall of cognitive dissonance is that Simon Shack's favorite disinfo agent & co-no-planer Judy Wood Ph.D has proven through extensive, super-exhaustive research (see her book "Where did the Towers Go?" ) through practically all the available non-doctored photos grabbed as evidence before they disappeared or got buried that the number of bodies / body parts found at the WTC dustifications were consistent only with the number of people who jumped from the buildings. There were no other body parts found at ground zero non-collapsed dustifications to match up with any of the supposed 3000 declared dead which would have been one gory scene they could have exploited for weeks, pulling all those bodies out one by one. Instead they have the VICSIMS, the actors and the fake obituaries. No black boxes, no plane parts of 100s of thousands individually numbered on each plane (none even seen falling off or in the holes in the building in any of the 45 fake videos), no toilets out of thousands, no computers out of thousands and no body parts except for those few jumpers mentioned and sure as shit no non-doctored videos, either live-delay or amateur.

So even if someone through a super-human effort can prove that those exact planes did, in fact, take off to register on radar, with all those passenger names on the flight manifests and they were, in fact, every last one of them real people and have, in fact, disappeared (minus the supposed hijackers, of course, whose names don't appear anywhere), and do, in fact, have real mourners and family, not actors (family members are under permanent gag-order and can't be interviewed by any investigative journalists) they sure as hell didn't disappear at the WTC towers that day, they were flown somewhere else and taken care of. This is what Ace Baker, Shack's arch enemy in the No-Planer community believes, that planes with actual passengers and not just fake names, did take off but were flown somewhere else where the people were either government operatives given new names and identities and plenty of money or patsies that were offed & bodies gotten rid of. Seems like a lot of hassle for nothing, too many people to keep track of in the first scenario, potential whistleblowers or potential lawsuits in the second scenario, etc. Vicsims scenario which is gaining more evidence on its side every day seems much more likely.

So basically one word for you all to keep in mind is: VICSIMS

Plane-huggers meet the Vicsims

and in another 5 years it will most likely be Plane-huggers meet The Return of the Son of Vicsims and still continue humping their planes but by that time the world-wide grid will be in place and the Cybernetic Attack Baboons will be waiting outside Bill Deagle's door.





"The 9/11 commission did not tell us the truth. NIST did a research or whatever, supposedly -- they did not bring us the truth. To get to the truth you need to speak the truth and talk about the truth. And I think there are some folks who feel that the public can't handle the truth so let's lie to them. Well, then they're no different than NIST or the 9/11 commission, they're just arguing about which lie is best." -- Judy Wood on Deaanne Spingola Show - 04/ 28 / 2011

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202011.mp3

[yeti]

(07-06-2011 09:13 AM)Negentropic Wrote:  NIST did a research or whatever, supposedly -- they did not bring us the truth. -- Judy Wood on Deaanne Spingola Show - 04/ 28 / 2001

So not only does Judy Wood have a speech impediment, but she's freaking psychic! She was talking about a 9/11 commission 5 months before 9/11 even happened!

Wow, I'm even more impressed now!

[Negentropic]

Quote:and making the truth movement look like kooks. We're all so impressed.

Here we go again. Return of the Son of we're-all-going-to-look-like-kooks. WE ALL ? Who's we dude? The 800,000 conspiracy dipshits who visit God-Butt Shill Productions every day or the few hundred supposed hardcore ones that come here every day? You act as if there's a united front of plane-huggers who can PROVE their case for planes aside from 'are you saying all the eye-witnesses lied?' or the more ridiculous 'they have plane parts, they're just not releasing it, someone told me on the phone that they had plane parts, they have high quality authentic video which will settle this matter once-&-for-all, they're just waiting for the year 2040 to release it for unknown reasons' nonsense I've heard on this thread.

I used to think like that exactly one year ago. I actually believed in that unproven, speculative remote-control/global-hawk planes kookalunacy. People would tell me to watch "September Clues" and look into No-Planes research etc. and I would respond with 'Yeah but that would make 'us' look even more like nutbags plus who cares, 'we' have more than enough evidence to nail it as a Mossad / CIA inside operation right now.

WRONG.

Not if the goal is to bring an actual case against the government & media as co-conspirators in mass murder (even if the 3000 number is in serious dispute, many people did die as jumpers or inside the building that day and at the very least many rescue workers who breathed in the micron sized dust particles) not to mention the massive fraud against the American people, the rest of the world and the wars that were started as a result of the massive flood of bullcrap. You cannot prove a case with all the circumstantial evidence in the world if you don't have the specifics of the actual physical evidence right. If you say that there were planes, you have to PROVE that there were planes there and you can't do that with fake videos and no recovered plane parts. The defense just says that unfortunately as you can see by these easily discredited videos & no parts recoverd you don't have physical proof of the murder weapons you are alleging or that there were planes used and the case gets thrown out. Double jeapordy applies after that. All you can say then is BUT YOU BASTARDS LIED about the planes and you passed off all these fake videos as real !!! They'll just respond with "No sir, we told the truth as we saw it, it's not our fault that we were given fake videos to show, we were fooled just like everyone else." THEN you'll have to find out who gave the fake videos to the complicit media, who gave the script to building 7 to that reporter on BBC before it happened., etc. See how it all ties in? But by then IT'LL BE TOO LATE. You can't then go and bring a separate case for controlled demolition and/or Direct Energy Weapons dustification only for murders inside the building but now with the new court-appointed-video-experts-proven rather than internet-video-experts-proven 'sudden' discovery that fake videos and no-actual-planes were used. You can cry and scream and bitch all you want at that point that millions of people were lied to but it won't matter, the criminals in the media and those behind them stay free and your only recourse will be violent revolution.

So the only way to go is insider-demolition/dustificiation PLUS No-Planes-Used based on proven fake videos and proven no plane parts recovered for the murder of only those people whose bodies have been recovered and can be traced to an actual person, not the vicsims and their mourning families who can't be questioned or investigated by anyone. You can even go with insider-demolition/dustifiction ONLY with no plane evidence presented simply because you can prove the former and you can't prove the latter. But if you can't prove the planes with an authentic high-quality video and plane-parts recovered then why would you assume that they somehow can? Why would you assume they're saving all that in a secret stash to bring out on a special day decades after the event? They sure as shit can't and won't or they would have already done it in these last 10 ridiculously absurd friggin years so it's 100% much better to accuse them of TOTAL LIES on both fronts FROM THE BEGINNING and tie the BBC reporter reporting early building Seven's 'collapse' and the fake actors to the 45 fake videos and no plane parts found and no bodies consistent with any 3000 dead found.

By the way, didn't Loose-Shills and Alex Jones start that 'make us all look like kooks' line? Jesse Ventura just threw that right back in AJ's face on his own show for the second time by defending Judy Wood's findings & Judy Wood IS a No-Planer although that's not her primary area of research:

http://concen.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=41051
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...510112.mp3

Or was it Rivero with his Plane-At-The-Pentagon nonsense. Rivero stills seems to believe there was a plane there that day by the way. Come to think of it, let's say they brought out 10 videos of a plane disappearing into that Pentagon hole with no parts falling off, no parts found in or out of the building and that perfect lawn you could play golf on. Videos were analyzed and proven 100% all fake like all the videos of the WTC 'planes,' but they weren't of 'broadcast quality' or 'high definition' would you then believe the-Plane-At-the-Pentagon nonsense given the physical evidence just because now there were 10 fake low-quality videos and say they must have high-quality videos somewhere so I'm going with the plane? Of course not. And do you know that there are many people claiming they saw a plane going into the Pentagon? Yes, of course there are. People see things all the time, they even see or claim to see UFO's and holyhoax human-skin-lampshades all the time, that's why physical evidence is what counts above all. PHYSICAL EVIDENCE trumps all.


Andrew Johnson - No Thermite On 9/11 - The New 9/11 Cover-Up - Ralph Winterrowd Show
http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202010.mp3


Dr. Judy Wood's Qui Tam Case for Fraud


http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/..._Wood.html


DR. JUDY WOOD on behalf of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff/Relator,
vs.
Defendants.
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SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.(SAIC),
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.,
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC. (WJE),
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NuSTATS,

[rsol]

someone else can take this on. i think ive said all that can be said on this non-topic.

[Negentropic]

No Planes on 9/11 = Not Even The Possibility of Hijackings - Not Even the Possibility of Terrorists on Planes = Therefore it makes the official story 100% false once-&-for-all and the justifications of the wars in
Afghanistan & Iraq become completely fraudulent even from the point of view of the Media brainwashed people who completely believed the cave-guy/box-cutters/ pancake fairy tale Media. It's ALREADY PROVEN, all the videos have been analyzed and proven fake. Without plane parts, without even a authentic video of even a low quality, how in the friggin hell are you going to prove REMOTE-CONTROLLED-GLOBAL-HAWKED planes? By saying Dov Zakheim was connected to it like Christopher 'nano-thermate' Bollyn? By speculating about it for another ten years?

Surely you don't believe that actual hijackers were involved who killed themselves? Proven NO-PLANES research is the only way to discredit the ENTIRE planes / hijackers as Arabs story COMPLETELY & tie it directly to the BBC reporter reporting building 7's 'collapse' before it happened. At that point, the planes don't even become an issue or a crime, the people who died were the ones left inside the buildings while they were being dustified by Direct Energy Weapons. No need for those 45 fake videos to prove this, there are 100's of non-doctored photos collected in Judy Wood's Book. At that point the complicit scripted MEDIA & the Mossad & CIA operatives who ran the whole plane-less charade become the only culprits. Then at that point if someone can prove the planes did actually take off but were diverted somewhere else, there may or may not have been real people on those diverted planes that got killed but these didn't happen at the WTC and with all the VICSIMS evidence coming out it seems less likely everyday that even if they diverted actual planes they killed people on those planes.

What you can PROVE is the way to go forward. We can PROVE all the videos are fake, we can't prove there were planes because even in the absence of any authentic video THERE ARE NO FRIGGIN PLANE PARTS !!! If there were pictures of even 2 identified plane parts out of 100s of thousands that can be matched to those planes that supposedly flew those actual flights into the buildings, then you would have a case but there are none and there will not be any forthcoming and to tell you the truth if you want to FORCE THEIR HAND into releasing their hidden plane parts out of their secret stash, then you go forward with No-Planes evidence and that will FORCE THEIR HAND. Saying someone told someone else on the phone that they had it stashed somewhere is ridiculous and no proof at all. Nothing has been produced for 10 years and that's WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME to wait for any bullshit new revelations to come out of the VERY SAME clowns who planned and executed the whole Media Circus & building pulverizations.

[rsol]

rinse and repeat rinse and repeat....

[Negentropic]

Quote:If there were no planes, then why isn't there any video showing explosions only, with no planes impacting?

Actually according to Ace Baker (one of the big 3 or 4 No-Plane researchers) the few live-delay Videos of the explosions only are real but the overlay composite of the plane is fake.




This it not a live video here Ace analyzes & does an exact simulation of. This is one of the 'amateur' ones that came later.

According to Simon Shack the entire live videos, all layers of the composite including the buildings & explosions are faked CGI. The building layer was made earlier to look like the explosions that were to set off in building where the plane-like object was supposed to hit AND THEN THE PLANE-like object GOES BEHIND THE BUILDING when the pre-made 'live layer' of the so-called plane was overlaid. They just timed the premade videos to play on so-called live TV as 'live' when they knew the explosions were set to happen as a result of their so-called planes hitting.

Ace says the building layer was actually LIVE footage to match perfectly and be certified as life & there was enough time to both shoot this live from the pre-set-up Choppers and feed it back for the immediate pre-made composite layer of the plane-like object in the 17 second delay.

The main debate is over the live videos which only show a plane go BEHIND the building (check my previous longer post on this very same extremely important detail here) & not the MANY 'amateur' videos supposedly taken by random people that came out MUCH LATER (with plenty of time to construct them). To have those straight impact videos right away as live would have been way too suspicious. By the time they came out and were shown hundreds of times (the live videos were so sloppy they were not aired again on any mainstream channels except by those who happened to record them on the internet) people were already informed that planes had hit and did not question the ridiculous spectacle of the Alumminum plane going inside of a steel & concrete building with NOT A SINGLE PART falling off & ZERO DECELERATION.

Nobody else was able to shoot video of the planes because they seem to have jammed all electronics functioning in that area during those crucial 'impact times" there like they do in war zones or before a military attack, there are no 'hundreds' of videos by eyewitnesses to the second plane crash as everyone automatically seems to assume, THERE ARE ONLY 44 OR 45 VIDEOS IN TOTAL EVER RELEASED BY ANYONE (many of them different versions or edits of the same basic videos), ONLY THOSE VIDEOS IN EXISTENCE both live-delay & amateur & they are all FAKES, proven by frame by frame analysis. All these co-called amateur guys were shills set up by the perps to release their accidental amateur videos to make it SEEM like there were hundreds of amateur videos out there. Just the fact that EVERY LAST ONE RELEASED is doctored and fake & NO OTHER videos have turned up which are not doctored DESPITE a $100,000 reward for any authentic video in the hands of any so-called amateur shooting video that day PROVES that they jammed electronics there so that they could release ONLY all their own pre-planned set-up 'amateur' videos from their own set-up shills. Why else would there not be anymore videos of the second impact? After all, even if people weren't expecting a second so-called 'plane' they were sure as shit likely to be filming or photographing a big once-in-a-life-time disaster event like this if they possibly could. Another theory is that, apparently agents had gone to all the camera shops in the area beforehand and confiscated all the cameras so people in the area that day who wanted to film and didn't have their camera at hand couldn't buy one there. Either way the fact that no other videos have turned up in such a long time favors the full control of all photography and video of the area that day especially during the morning hours.

I have researched this topic for nearly a year now and I still can't figure out whether Ace or Shack has the more reliable theory. They both call each shills, it's one big 9/11 Psy-Opera. But it's pretty damn obvious by now with no plane parts turning up out of 100s of thousands individually numbered on each plane after ten years that match any of the planes in addition to the prove-fake videos that there certainly were no planes there that day.


Most of this stuff was already researched thoroughly in 2007-2008. Only marginal progress or modifications have been made since then in the main No-Planer positions. To get more detail on Ace Baker's research (it is extremely thorough) the following audios are well-worth listening to:

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202007.mp3

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202007.mp3


http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202007.mp3


http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202008.mp3

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...202008.mp3

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/91...p%2008.mp3

[yeti]

(07-08-2011 02:16 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  I have researched this topic for nearly a year now and I still can't figure out whether Ace or Shack has the more reliable theory. They both call each shills, it's one big 9/11 Psy-Opera.

(07-08-2011 02:16 PM)Negentropic Wrote:  But it's pretty damn obvious by now with no plane parts turning up out of 100s of thousands individually numbered on each plane after ten years that match any of the planes in addition to the prove-fake videos that there certainly were no planes there that day.

Keep spouting your obvious lies. Eventually even you might believe them.

How much are they paying you to do their work for them? Nothing? Wow, what a deal!