ConCen

[mothandrust]

damn it, just spent hours composing a response to the 'yeti and nik' thread, only to find upon my retun it was closed. still, i'd like to contribute my two penneth for what it's worth, considering the time spent.

yeti, if you don't want the debate reignited is there a way to post it in the old thread? or i guess you can just close this one too. i understand if you're sick to the back teeth with this whole debacle.

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re 'yeti and nik':

All this seems such a shame. I love this site, I cannot tell you how much pleasure and information and association it has given me. I marvel at April's perseverance and humanity through all that has happened over the years (and I'm a relative newbie) and I fully support her reasons for making this public.

'Dirty washing'? Sure, but isn't that most honest? And there are many people here who are not admin but are part of the fabric, and I think deserve to know about problems and potentially contribute to solutions. Understanding makes us stronger and without it there is a hollow shell ready to crack with the lightest of taps.

Tom is a stalwart, an unsung hero, I know this, and I suspect without him ConCen would not even exist, and I also suspect that through the years he has had to suffer much ignorance and intolerance. Perhaps little wonder he is at the end of his tether.

But, as for trust, I trust you implicitly with anything technical Tom: I'd be an idiot not to but as a diplomat? A counsellor? Or whatever... I'm not so sure. Sorry.

Anthony de Mello Wrote:Do you think you help people because you are in love with them? Well, I’ve got news for you. You are never in love with anyone. You’re only in love with your prejudiced and hopeful idea of that person. Take a minute to think about that: You are never in love with anyone, you’re in love with your prejudiced idea of that person. Isn’t that how you fall out of love? Your idea changes, doesn’t it? “How could you let me down when I trusted you so much?” you say to someone. Did you really trust them? You never trusted anyone. Come off it! That’s part of society’s brainwashing. You never trust anyone. You only trust your judgment about that person. So what are you complaining about? The fact is that you don’t like to say, “My judgment was lousy.” That’s not very flattering to you, is it? So you prefer to say, “How could you have let me down?”

what do you reckon?

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Regarding Kyle, what happened? Back in the days when I was a regular contributor he was always a valuable source of info and perspective, and back when CC was just limping along he seemed to keep it going almost single handed. I guess I've missed a lot through recent times. Why was he so angry? Surely not just this NPT stuff? I suspect it's none of our business, except in its consequences here.

Has trust really broken down so completely? Don't you know April's intentions were for the good of CC, as an attempt to shed light? And isn't that what we all want?

Are you sure you want out Tom? Or are you being a bear (yeti) with a sore head

Whatever you decide, I'd like to offer my thanks and appreciation for all you've done through the years.

Viva la Revolucion!

jack

[yeti]

(09-10-2010 01:44 AM)mothandrust Wrote:  I trust you implicitly with anything technical Tom: I'd be an idiot not to but as a diplomat? A counsellor? Or whatever... I'm not so sure. Sorry.

While running Concen, I wore three hats - sysop, diplomat, and bouncer.

SysOp requires no human interaction. For some reason the better ones are sadly lacking in the basics of human interaction.

Moderators have to be both diplomat and bouncer - we have the stick, but we should know when to use it.

There are many people still on this site that will attest to my diplomatic skills.

I may lack a reputation as a counselor on this site, but if that was a role I neglected, please consider why. I only have so many hours in the day... anyway, part of answering the site emails could be considered counseling, as well as dealing with some of the background machinations...

(09-10-2010 01:44 AM)mothandrust Wrote:  

Anthony de Mello Wrote:Do you think you help people because you are in love with them? Well, I’ve got news for you. You are never in love with anyone. You’re only in love with your prejudiced and hopeful idea of that person. Take a minute to think about that: You are never in love with anyone, you’re in love with your prejudiced idea of that person. Isn’t that how you fall out of love? Your idea changes, doesn’t it? “How could you let me down when I trusted you so much?” you say to someone. Did you really trust them? You never trusted anyone. Come off it! That’s part of society’s brainwashing. You never trust anyone. You only trust your judgment about that person. So what are you complaining about? The fact is that you don’t like to say, “My judgment was lousy.” That’s not very flattering to you, is it? So you prefer to say, “How could you have let me down?”

what do you reckon?

I reckon that this is a key concept that most people never learn, my family included. I was lucky enough to learn a core corollary to that many years ago - You can't control events. You can't control other people. All you can control is your reactions.

IOW, shit happens. React appropriately, or risk escalation.

I like to think I have a reason for my reactions, but I'm not stupid enough to deny that sometimes they're still based on emotion. Welcome to the mind of an overworked moderator.

That's why I'm backing off - I'm burned out.

The other mods are failing already to pick up the slack. Time to wade into the shit, fellow mods! I recommend wearing a fireproof suit with neck waders...

[lockntross]

(09-10-2010 03:41 AM)yeti Wrote:  Welcome to the mind of an overworked moderator.

hahah, yup.

[Melchor]

(09-10-2010 03:41 AM)yeti Wrote:  That's why I'm backing off - I'm burned out.

At least you knew when to back out rather than going completely off the deep end like so many other mods on this site have in the past. I'm sure you know that a majority of the site appreciates the efforts you put in to keep this place up and running smooth. Coding stuff is frustrating; dealing with opinionated assholes like me is irritating; and managing egos and interpersonal conflict is just bullshit. It's understandable while you made the decision you did and most people wouldn't have had the patience to do what you have for as long as you did. Thanks for the effort you put in.

[SiLVa]

Quote:Thanks for the effort you put in.

Yup. Thanks yeti. Even though I might disagree with all this drama, I still appreciate the effort and work you put in to this place and the tracker.
Still hope you reconsider.

[Deathaniel]

I just drifted back in as i came home from the pub seems in the short time i abounded the site i missed out and yeti is bailing? shitty, but i hear his concern re dealing with assholes all the time... thats why gave the place a sabbatical. Good luck Yeti, glad i checked in to see you off, you were a sound voice here...

[FastTadpole]

Hope you pop back in often to say hello and stay on as a valuable contributer to the forum and tracker. I appreciate the efforts you have put forth in helping to maintain and tweak the site for all of us during your tenure. You are much appreciated and I can only hope the new breed can fill your role as moderator adequately enough to keep it standing for some time.

I appreciate you taking the time out to explain everything to all of us at length within your posts during this significant transition. It helps to appease the wandering mind of a sceptic. This demographic of analytical thinkers can jump to conclusions.

If I could take one thing from this incident it would be an introspective examination of ourselves from the viewpoint of being sceptical analytics to a fault. A default distrusting nature is scepticism. Scepticism is just another layer of our programming to break through. I used to think scepticism was an intelligent evaluation of the facts but it is ultimately only another way to divide us.

Forget your programming. Don't project your preconceptions onto the image below. See it for what it is and only what it is leave the you out of it.






My fraudulent programmed ego presented a convincing learned truth in my mind and then it is exaggerated to create an insane premise for reality because of the introduction of a conflicting pretence.

* FastTadpole snaps out of tangent

Good to hear you know your limits, this slice of the internet can drive a man sane no need to be a martyr.

You can and should be proud of what you've done for the community Yeti. See you around.

[rsol]

you know i love ya ya grumpy old git dont go nowhere.