The 17 Seconds Enigma
08-20-2010, 05:12 AM
The 17 Seconds Enigma
Quote:THE 17 SECONDS ENIGMA
Quote:QUOTE (proloft @ Jul 28 2010, 04:54 PM)
Quote:I sent Don this e-mail, 4/26/09and give us your response on the evidence presented in the film.
I decided to write you because from what I've seen of you on television you are a man of integrity and you take your profession seriously. I do hope you take the time to view this unique analysis, and that you also honor me with your response after you have seen it.
Part 1: http://blip.tv/file/1272900/
Part 2: http://blip.tv/file/1273564
Many thanks in advance from Norway!
And this is the response I got from the address firstname.lastname@example.org:
Thank you for informing me of your documentary. As you know, there have
been hundreds of such projects produced and I am often included in them
because of my reporting that terrible morning. More times than not, my
words are taken out of context or twisted completely. I am by some accounts
a CIA plant, by others I am also the voice of one Jim Friedl who called
into a different station. Some fellow with more time on his hands than
sense actually worked up a time-line on his website showing I was not on
the air on ABC when Mr. Friedl (whoever he is) was. My friends and family
find these strained efforts at logic humorous, except that they always
remind us of the tragedy of September 11th and the thousands of lives lost
that day, and the tens of thousands of lives lost in the subsequent wars
triggered by those attacks.
I've made it a personal policy to never respond to these websites, films,
and allegations because, frankly, I find the people behind them to be so
radicalized as to be incapable of objectivity. They are usually
fundamentalists of a higher level of superstition, and no reason or calm
logic can dissuade them of their religious beliefs. I've watched them take
part in debates with scientists and actual eyewitnesses to those events and
they refuse to acknowledge any facts, choosing instead to discount
everything that doesn't fit into their paranoid imaginings as lies
perpetrated by the U.S. government on the world.
The only reason I'm responding to your message is because you sent one.
Never before has any of the acolytes of the church of the 9/11 conspiracy
bothered to try and contact me to ask what I think of their theories.
To be clear; I think you're wrong. But as a journalist I appreciate the
effort and thought you've put into trying to discover the truth. Inquiry
should never be avoided into anything, so long as the inquirer is willing
to remain open-minded and accept that the original thesis might be wrong,
as yours is.
So which are you? The open-minded seeker of truth? Or the fanatic so
convinced he’s onto something he won’t listen to opposing views?
The simple fact is, there were thousands, tens of thousands, maybe even
hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses in New York and New Jersey that day
who saw the airliners hit the towers and the towers fall from the top down,
who saw these events with their own eyes, not on television. So your whole
premise of a fantastical hoodwinking of the world through digital special
effects is patently absurd and ignores testimony any court in the world
would have to accept as incontrovertible. Or did the government manage to
project digital images directly into their brains, perhaps? Come on. This
is the biggest hole in these conspiracy theories. I and many other
journalists have talked to many people who recount exactly what the TV
pictures showed, are they (we) all agents of the government? Yes, some of
the early accounts mentioned small planes, but as any first year law
student learns, eyewitness accounts will vary and there will be some that
disagree with the majority because of many factors, including perspective
(the towers were very high and even large jets look small next to them),
stress, influence by hearing other people speculate, past experiences
including movies they’ve seen, etc.
You base much of your evidence (and your evidence is not fact, not proof,
but only speculation – theories are not proofs) on curiosities of video
and audio which could be easily explained by audio-visual experts had you
made an effort to really find out why so many images and sounds differed.
I’ve been a photographer/cameraman/editor and sound-recordist, in
addition to writer and journalist, for almost thirty years now. I have a
national EMMY for sound work I did on a wildlife film, and I’ve used
almost every kind of video and film camera there is. I won’t go item by
item to refute your work, but I’ll speak about some of the things you
Video is an inexact medium. In 2001, most cameras weren’t digital, they
were analog. They recorded information on magnetic tape of various sizes
and speeds, and those images are then interpreted by the video player.
Everything from age of equipment to dust to how many times the tape is used
affects the picture quality. Even live cameras will never look exactly the
same, even with two of the same brand of camera set up next to each other.
Trust me; studio engineers work tirelessly to get the cameras at least
close enough in image characteristics to at least not be distracting to
viewers. Consider now you have dozens of different kinds of cameras that
day recording the attacks; the quality will differ widely between them all.
The question of the “black edge” or the “masked edge” which so
intrigues you is simply an anomaly of video. Zoom lenses record video
which is not going to be perfect because of lens distortion, and video has
never been fond of bright light and contrast as was experienced that day.
The pixilated shifts you also obsess over, like when parts of a building
visibly morays and then springs back to normal, is a characteristic of
microwave transmission, which is how these images were beamed back to the
stations. The video was transferred digitally over the airwaves, which is
why there’s a digital effect, that tearing and shifting. As far as I can
discern, you have no original footage in your video – it’s all recorded
from other websites or are copies of on-air broadcasts, which degrades the
quality of the video signal exponentially. Again, if you’d sought experts
in this area instead of just using your imagination, you could’ve
answered your own question.
You also spend a lot of time trying to show that differences in angles,
etc., prove there were a number of badly made versions of the attacks
created, but as I watched your accounts of this is was obvious these were
simply different perspectives of the same scenes, and perspective can have
a huge impact on how things appear. In the one scene where you insisted
the cityscape disappeared it was clear the camera angle was slightly lower,
thus eliminating the buildings. Keep in mind, this was shot with a long
zoom lens so even the slightest adjustment of perspective is going to
change the background radically, even if it changes the foreground
minimally. Put a drinking straw to your eye and peer through it at
something at eye-level, then lower your head even just an inch while
focusing on the same item. The scene changes radically. No mystery there.
I did get a chuckle out of your PAT sequence and my only explanation for
why the helicopter “appeared” to disappear in that one perspective is,
again, the failure of degraded video to hold onto every visual element,
especially in the high-contrast haze of that morning at great distances
(and the sky was very hazy at the scene itself from the first few moments
of the fire onward, even if crystal blue skies prevailed everywhere else).
Microphones are the same – they will sound different, especially with the
many different kinds of commercial camera-mounted mikes out there. Some
are unidirectional, some are omni directional. Most are very cheap if not
attached to a professional-grade camera and thus vary greatly in which
frequencies they are most attuned to pick up. In the scenes where you
compare the loudness of the crash noise, sometimes buildings were between
the mike and the crash, which would dilute the sound. Different cameras
have different built-in sound filters, too, which will wash loud noises or
specific tones, like bass, out.
Interestingly, a few moments after the second tower collapsed, I walked
down Church Street toward the horrible scene of devastation, and as I did
so, I passed a jet engine, still smoking, which had landed on a bus stop.
Was that a marvel of video technology too? Or the body parts I witnessed
amongst the dust of the enormous debris pile? Or the very real grief of
the thousands of family members I met who will never see their loved ones
again? Are they part of the vast conspiracy too?
Time and again as I watched your documentary, I kept marveling at how much
meaning you gave the most meaningless things. I suppose if one were to
obsessively explore a video of a cook making a meal one could come up with
an endless number of strange and suspicious things, and then if one
presented them with the passion, self-assuredness and, frankly, paranoia
you do in your video, one could make it seem like a grand illusion was
Had the events of 9/11 occurred in a contained area, such as a lunar
landing or a Vegas magic act, I could entertain the idea of fakery. But
this happened on a stage writ large, with more eyewitnesses both on the
ground and watching on television around the world than have witnessed any
single event in the history of mankind. What they saw unfold in front of
their eyes happened in the same exact moments whether they watched in
person or in front of their television. This is the single most damning
fact for your theory. You can’t simply wish that away because you’re
intrigued by the prospect of a huge conspiracy and have noticed some
oddities in the video clips you’ve poured over.
The attacks of 9/11 were conducted by a radicalized group of well-trained,
devoted, albeit deluded individuals. Their journey to that moment in time
has been thoroughly documented. The masterminds confessed and can be heard
bragging on tape. But you and the other conspiracy theorists don’t
believe any of that. You won’t believe anything I’ve said here. You
won’t believe the empirical and well-reasoned item-by-item rebuttals to
these ridiculous theories by independent scholars, journalists,
investigators and publications which have access not only to worn-out video
clips but the documents, forensic evidence and actual eyewitnesses
themselves.. Because ultimately, you and the team of murderers who killed
thousands of men, women, and children that day, many of whom, incidentally,
were my neighbors, have one indisputable thing in common: you have tipped
over the edge of reason into the world of superstition and illogic. They
believed they were serving the cause of their God because some evil,
hate-filled religious leader brainwashed them into thinking so. And you
and others like you have latched onto this fetish and refuse to seriously
consider anything other than your own religious beliefs that somehow a
government which so consistently botches so many relatively simple
endeavors, like making sense of a health care system or taxing its citizens
in a fair and effective manner, could launch such an enormously, impossibly
complex mission to dupe and murder its own people; a mission which would
have to involve thousands of conspirators. None of whom has ever come
You present your argument forcefully and passionately like an enthusiastic
scientist revealing a new discovery, with intricate detail and thoughtful
observations, but ultimately your entire case amounts to nothing more than
a witch-doctor trying to explain a lunar eclipse to his acolytes by
describing a gigantic turtle crawling across the sky.
Truthfully and sincerely,
Quote: Is Don Dahler also the mysterious Jim Friedl aka "grade9 chopper-guy"?
08-20-2010, 05:14 PM
RE: The 17 Seconds Enigma
I no longer take this with the pinch of salt I used to
~ Veritas Vos Liberabit ~
08-20-2010, 06:03 PM (This post was last modified: 08-20-2010 06:03 PM by nik.)
RE: The 17 Seconds Enigma
nah, me neither
08-21-2010, 02:47 AM
RE: The 17 Seconds Enigma
I'd seen this before, almost forgot about it with all of the competing theories. Interesting find in having Don Dahler as a cue for the networks. I hadn't noticed the tipping tower phenom before which proves the layering (again).
What a hack job. I think they left so many clues because they wanted this truth movement to happen and they had their fake alt-media shills ready to create a delicate polarization within the people and vehement anger at the government in certain sectors.
I think it went exactly as they planned it except for an inkling that they used Seattle as the yardstick thinking there would be more violent outrage both domestic and abroad. Fast forward to BP
There are no others, there is only us.
08-21-2010, 06:03 AM
RE: The 17 Seconds Enigma
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