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U.S. sovereignty on swap block
05-01-2009, 09:41 PM
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U.S. sovereignty on swap block
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Obama negotiating for seat for U.S. on U.N. commission

Posted: April 30, 2009
9:20 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

The Obama administration is preparing to swap U.S. sovereignty for a higher level of U.S. presence at the United Nations, a plan that has alarmed officials working to protect the rights of Americans, specifically the parental rights that traditionally have been recognized across the nation's history.

Michael Farris, founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association and chancellor of Patrick Henry College, said, "The move is little more than another attempt at political correctness by an administration frantic for acceptance by the international community."

Farris also is a dedicated leader behind the effort to change the U.S. Constitution through the amendment process to restore and protect parental rights.

WND reported just days ago his warning that parental rights in the U.S. already are being diminished.

"The erosion is upon us," he said then.

Eighty years ago, the amendment website notes, "the Supreme Court declared that 'the child is not the mere creature of the State; those who nurture him and direct his destiny have the right, coupled with the high duty, to recognize and prepare him for additional obligations.'"

However, according to Farris, a survey last year of state and federal appellate court rulings found "the vast majority of the court decisions refused to acknowledge traditional parental rights are fundamental rights."

Now Farris is alerting to the plan in the Obama White House to try to secure a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council, an intergovernmental body of 47 member states.

However, it has no legal authority and only offers opinions.

The report from Farris said to secure its seat, the Obama camp has submitted a series of "Commitments and Pledges" declaring its loyalty and "deep commitment" to the U.N.

Farris is familiar with the U.N. and its operations, having proposed the Parental Rights Amendment to prevent the loss of U.S. sovereignty to the U.N. through its treaties, such as the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, which could be used to prevent parents from spanking their own children or directing their religious training.

"This (Obama) administration is all about photo ops," said Farris, "and is apparently willing to trade away U.S. sovereignty for a seat on a council which has no legal authority."

In the April 27 "Commitments" document released by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice, the U.S. representative to the international body, the Obama White House pledged its support for the Convention on Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, which also makes the U.S. subservient to the international agenda.

If the two cited treaties are adopted, Farris said, they will "not only jeopardize U.S. sovereignty but hasten the end of the traditional American family.

"All U.N. treaties require strict scrutiny," he cautioned. "The pledge, as written, expresses no such need but, rather, unilaterally commits the U.S. to meet its U.N. treaty obligations. Apparently, for this administration, membership in a U.N. Council with no authority trumps the right of Americans – not the U.N. or any other nation – to make public policy affecting Americans."

Farris says the Parental Rights Amendment, which would embed in the Constitution a description of parental rights as fundamental, would offer help for families.

"Neither the United States nor any state shall infringe upon this right without demonstrating that its governmental interest as applied to the person is of the highest order and not otherwise served," the draft states. "No treaty may be adopted nor shall any source of international law be employed to supersede, modify, interpret, or apply to the rights guaranteed by this article."

Farris said the amendment proposal, which already has about 80 co-sponsors in Congress, is moving "faster then we thought we would." .

The website notes if approved, the Convention on the Rights of the Child would supersede "the laws of all 50 states on children and parents."

According to the Parental Rights website, the CRC dictates the following:

* Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.

* A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.

* Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.

* The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent's decision.

* A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

* According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.

* Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.

* Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

* Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

* Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.

Good parents also no longer would be entitled to the legal presumption that they act in the best interests of their children, giving way to governmental decisions that would trump anything a parent would seek for his or her child, regardless of the topic, the analysis said.

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05-01-2009, 10:09 PM
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Yeah that's almost as central planning as the Universal Declaration on Human Rights. I'm sure they'll start pushing that one next. It sounds all warm and fuzzy until you get to the legalistic Trojan horse in article 29.

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[*]All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.<>
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[*]Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.<>
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[*]Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.<>
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[*]No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.<>
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[*]No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.<>
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[*] Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.<>
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Article 7.
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[*] All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.<>
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Article 8.
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[*] Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.<>
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[*] No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.<>
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[*] Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.<>
[*] (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.<>
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[*] No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.<>
[*] (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.<>
[*] (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.<>
[*] (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.<>
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[*] (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.<>
[*] (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.<>
[*] (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.<>
[*] (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.<>
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[*] Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.<>
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[*] Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.<>
[*] (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.<>
[*] (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.<>
[*] (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.<>
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[*] Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.<>
[*] (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.<>
[*] (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.<>
[*] (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.<>
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[*] Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.<>
[*] (2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.<>
[*] (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.<>
[*] (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.<>
[*] (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.<>
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[*] Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.<>
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[*] (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.<>
[*] (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.<>
[*] (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.<>
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[url=http://][/url]Article 30.
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[*] Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.<>
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05-01-2009, 10:15 PM
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Melchor, would you elaborate on what you see wrong with clause 29?

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05-01-2009, 10:48 PM
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Here's what I think is wrong with it:

Quote:# (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

Morality cannot be legislated. Religion has been trying to guilt morality into people for thousands of years. How is a criminal penalty going to instill morality into people then?
So the UN decides what morality is acceptable? Bullshit.

Morality is a personal thing and this usage is just another way of saying giving the UN powers of "thought police".


Quote:# (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

"You are FREE ............ to do as we tell you."
Fascism.

I tend to prefer Unalienable rights as they are not at the whims of some governing agency.

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05-02-2009, 03:25 AM (This post was last modified: 05-02-2009 03:36 AM by Melchor.)
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Quote:Here's what I think is wrong with it:

Quote:# (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

Morality cannot be legislated. Religion has been trying to guilt morality into people for thousands of years. How is a criminal penalty going to instill morality into people then?
So the UN decides what morality is acceptable? Bullshit.

Morality is a personal thing and this usage is just another way of saying giving the UN powers of "thought police".


Quote:# (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

"You are FREE ............ to do as we tell you."
Fascism.

I tend to prefer Unalienable rights as they are not at the whims of some governing agency.

Easy pretty much nailed it. But I was specifically referring to this part:

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

That language is mad over-broad. You know what happens to broadly phrased language in laws? Go see how they apply the patriot act. Also under every legal regime from local to federal in the US system that last part I highlighted can be translated to mean literally anything the government wants to do. Hope that clarifies for you. Basically like Easy said you have all sorts of rights unless we make any law to the contrary.

Section 3 I don't think I need to break down.

Edit: Just in case you think I missed that other clause in two I didn't. Best case that means that rights can be selectively denied as conflicting with others. But what's worse is that the way things work it takes one court ruling to change that conjunctive to a subjunctive. Do you want your rights to be secured by an "and?"
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05-02-2009, 05:49 AM
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Excellent find(s). Thanks
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