The Anglo Saxon Mission

[h3rm35]

how so?

Quote:I find the scenario plausible for a number of reasons.

what reasons? what are the motivations of nuclear over biological warfare?
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where would you suggest I start looking into skynet? The only time I remember hearing about it was in the (also James Cameron) Terminator movies... and after searching the forum for your posts, that's the only reference I've found.
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I'm not trying to get on your case, just into a dialogue.

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And in the event of a "doomsday" strike, Opall-Rome notes, the system could handle "attacks that exceed physiological limits of human command."

Read More http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/01/...z0pS9mTD00

[h3rm35]

last line of "skynet" the article you mentioned: "No word on thinking machines, though."

(05-30-2010 10:58 PM)nik Wrote:  skynet is the defence system which can operate without a "human interface" and part of it's purview would be as controller of Israeli ICBM's. I do not know if it is online yet...

yes, isn't it something that the movies reflect all this. Do you think the deathstar is referencing the moon or is that just too silly?

I think there's something to the moon concept, but it's far different from the presentation of Icke's or that it is in some manner the deathstar (it may be, but I've never been there or tried to drill holes into it, so I couldn't say for sure)... His comments did lead me to a valuable thought process though, which will be spelled out in the piece I'm working on. I'd have to write for days (which I'm actually doing,) on what I think this relates to, but I just can't get into that here, right now... there's a character limit on the forum, and posting it here may fuck up my writing process... It will have to suffice to say, for now, that the concept I'm working with is remarkably encompassing, and that even if people don't agree with it, it will be informative on a number of levels.

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(05-30-2010 10:52 PM)h3rm35 Wrote:  I'm not trying to get on your case, just into a dialogue.

I know, my position is just that I do not see nuclear confrontations in the coming time as "highly unlikely", that's all. I can't really give any dialogue, it's just my opinion.

A massive pandemic is going to be initiated at some point in the near future, we might as well get used to that too. jmo

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this is the cunning plan to deal with some of the bodies:

http://www.thegreatpyramid.org

[h3rm35]

(05-30-2010 11:13 PM)nik Wrote:  

(05-30-2010 10:52 PM)h3rm35 Wrote:  I'm not trying to get on your case, just into a dialogue.

I know, my position is just that I do not see nuclear confrontations in the coming time as "highly unlikely", that's all. I can't really give any dialogue, it's just my opinion.

A massive pandemic is going to be initiated at some point in the near future, we might as well get used to that too. jmo

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this is the cunning plan to deal with some of the bodies:

http://www.thegreatpyramid.org

I'm not following the pyramid "angle..." yeah, big tombs, that I get, but how does it correlate? I don't think most of the pyramids were tombs in the fist place...
I also just don't see how toxifying the earth with radiation and creating a nuclear winter fits into a "new world order" agenda... do you think it's intentionally to destroy the planet and then move away? is the new world, in your perspective, a different planet?

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no, just insane sociopaths in charge.

how long is a nuclear winter? is it conceivable with the latest technologies that one could "wait it out" underground?

in the event of pandemics - dealing with corpses is a major issue as I am sure you realise.

this pyramid will be made of human ashes mixed with concrete. it is to be a mass grave of proportions never before seen. As the site declares: " a monument to us all". make of it, what you will, h3rm3s, you won't find it being discussed in many places.

i am not saying it will happen but neither am i going to claim it unlikely.

now we are in the age of synthetic molecular biology and cloning i think all bets are off on what is going to happen.

[h3rm35]

(05-30-2010 11:32 PM)nik Wrote:  no, just insane sociopaths in charge.

how long is a nuclear winter? is it conceivable with the latest technologies that one could "wait it out" underground?

in the event of pandemics - dealing with corpses is a major issue as I am sure you realise.

this pyramid will be made of human ashes mixed with concrete. it is to be a mass grave of proportions never before seen. As the site declares: " a monument to us all". make of it, what you will, h3rm3s, you won't find it being discussed in many places.

i am not saying it will happen but neither am i going to claim it unlikely.

now we are in the age of synthetic molecular biology and cloning i think all bets are off on what is going to happen.

The science on the duration is still to be decided, but within the first few years after a major conflagration, the current estimate is that sea surface temperatures would drop to between 2 & 6 degrees C with temperature decreasing with depth... that would pretty much destroy most ocean life, which pretty much means all life on the planet would be in for some serious shit... not to mention that light (not including IR) would be unable to reach the surface of the planet, killing off almost all plant life.

The world would be a barren wasteland VERY QUICKLY, so waiting it out underground, only to come back out to a dead planet doesn't seem like a good plan for a bunch of people who live in the lap of luxury.

If they could have done it already, then why haven't they?
from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
In 1990, in a paper entitled "Climate and Smoke: An Appraisal of Nuclear Winter," TTAPS give a more detailed description of the short- and long-term atmospheric effects of a nuclear war using a three-dimensional model[29]:

First 1 to 3 months:

* 10 to 25% of soot injected is immediately removed by precipitation, while the rest is transported over the globe in 1 to 2 weeks

* SCOPE figures for July smoke injection:
o 22°C drop in mid-latitudes
o 10°C drop in humid climates
o 75% decrease in rainfall in mid-latitudes
o Light level reduction of 0% in low latitudes to 90% in high smoke injection areas

* SCOPE figures for winter smoke injection:
o Temperature drops between 3° and 4°C

Following 1 to 3 years:

* 25 to 40% of injected smoke is stabilised in atmosphere (NCAR). Smoke stabilised for approximately 1 year.

* Land temperatures of several degrees below normal

* Ocean surface temperature between 2 and 6°C

* Ozone depletion of 50% leading to 200% increase in UV radiation incident on surface.

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(05-31-2010 12:00 AM)h3rm35 Wrote:  

(05-30-2010 11:32 PM)nik Wrote:  no, just insane sociopaths in charge.

how long is a nuclear winter? is it conceivable with the latest technologies that one could "wait it out" underground?

in the event of pandemics - dealing with corpses is a major issue as I am sure you realise.

this pyramid will be made of human ashes mixed with concrete. it is to be a mass grave of proportions never before seen. As the site declares: " a monument to us all". make of it, what you will, h3rm3s, you won't find it being discussed in many places.

i am not saying it will happen but neither am i going to claim it unlikely.

now we are in the age of synthetic molecular biology and cloning i think all bets are off on what is going to happen.

The science on the duration is still to be decided, but within the first few days after a major conflagration, the current estimate is that sea surface temperatures would drop to between 2 & 6 degrees C with temperature decreasing with depth... that would pretty much destroy most ocean life, which pretty much means all life on the planet would be in for some serious shit... not to mention that light (not including IR) would be unable to reach the surface of the planet, killing off almost all plant life.

The world would be a barren wasteland VERY QUICKLY, so waiting it out underground, only to come back out to a dead planet doesn't seem like a good plan for a bunch of people who live in the lap of luxury.

well, i imagine that would rest upon whether you agreed with the conclusions of Richard P. Turco, Owen B. Toon, Thomas P. Ackerman, James B. Pollack, and Carl Sagan in their TTAPS report

this links doesn't : http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p912.htm

[h3rm35]

that link doesn't seem to include the most recent science on the matter - it's material comes from, at latest, 1986, and the fact that it's speaking about it in terms of "An all-out nuclear war between Russia and the United States" makes me think that the info it has is a relic of the cold war, itself. It isn't just Sagan saying this - if it were, I wouldn't believe it either. Check out the wikipedia link, and its sources.

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to what are you referring directly? Afaiwc the latest modeling was essentially indeed an update to the original TTAPS report?

[h3rm35]

2007: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/20...8235.shtml
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/20...8235.shtml

Quote: A global average surface cooling of –7°C to –8°C persists for years, and after a decade the cooling is still –4°C (Fig. 2). Considering that the global average cooling at the depth of the last ice age 18,000 yr ago was about –5°C, this would be a climate change unprecedented in speed and amplitude in the history of the human race. The temperature changes are largest over land ... Cooling of more than –20°C occurs over large areas of North America and of more than –30°C over much of Eurasia, including all agricultural regions.

In addition, they found that this cooling caused a weakening of the global hydrological cycle, reducing global precipitation by about 45%. As for the 50 Tg case involving one third of current nuclear arsenals, they said that the simulation "produced climate responses very similar to those for the 150 Tg case, but with about half the amplitude," but that "the time scale of response is about the same." They did not discuss the implications for agriculture in depth, but noted that a 1986 study which assumed no food production for a year projected that "most of the people on the planet would run out of food and starve to death by then" and commented that their own results show that "this period of no food production needs to be extended by many years, making the impacts of nuclear winter even worse than previously thought."

[Shinobi]

here nik http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread544849/pg1

http://www.angelsfortruth.com/blog/2010/...manifesto/

http://www.kidmercuryblog.com/t636713/

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12208

hope it is of some help to you. Sorry if you thought I was being smug I wasnt.

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Thanks Ic1, I appreciate that..

But none of these links is particularly "olds" and pretty much they all concur that this information is potentially credible..by the looks of it...

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"if the Anglo-Saxons are in control, which I would agree that they are, but are trying to kill off the rest of the world, why are minorities so prevalent in their societies?"

this is not a strong argument as to why the interview would be nonsense. There are many answers such as ALL the current constructs are expendable, or further NEED disintergrating.

One can listen to Alan Watt or others in order to get a perspective on why floodgates were opened for immigration in European countries over the last 60 years or so.

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As for the Anglo-Saxon conspiracy, the English have always been one of the most liberalized societies in the world. Compare English liberalism with traditional German conservatism, and the differences couldn't be any more stark. Liberalism was an aspect of British culture that the Nazis despised. Ask yourself this; if the Anglo-Saxons are in control, which I would agree that they are, but are trying to kill off the rest of the world, why are minorities so prevalent in their societies? While the Holocaust may have been kept secret to some extent, Hitler never hid his utter contempt for minorities within the German Empire, and outlined his belief in extermination in Mein Kampf. He gave numerous speeches on the need to exterminate Jews, and did exactly that. If the English have such unlimited power and really want to dispose of other peoples, why would they feel a need to keep it such a secret? They are all-powerful, right? So why invite minorities to live within their societies? The reason? Because the English don't want to exterminate their trading partners. It comes down to capitalism, and the last people the Anglo-Americans want to exterminate are the Chinese, who basically fund their wasteful lifestyles. The English have always been capitalists (Napoleon called them a "nation of shopkeepers") and have based their society around global trade. Conversely, the Nazis loathed capitalism and based their society around self-sufficiency. The difference was the Anglo-Americans had the ability to be self-sufficient, given the vast amount of resources in America, but chose not to be. The Nazis didn't have that option, and were forced to war in the East to try to obtain the resources they needed to fuel their desired self-sufficiency. If the Anglo-Americans covertly wiped out the population of Asia, they'd suddenly lack the billions of people it takes to fuel their exorbitant lifestyles, which is not something they want. They want the opposite; the more financiers the better. They want billions of people to sell their pop-culture to, and billions of people to do the dirty work in cultivating, and harvesting the resources that they waste in such massive amounts. England once did fight a series of wars with China, which were called the Opium Wars, but they were fought to procure trade relations with the isolationist country and balance the massive trade deficit they had incurred by pushing a highly addictive substance on a population that otherwise had no need for their goods. The conspiracy is capitalism, and it's not a conspiracy, it's right out there in plain sight for everyone to see."

I don't think this is very good analysis ...

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Originally posted by Pocky


The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.




I know of at least one western first nation where this is not possible.

But I will mark these words: there will be WW3 in 12-24 months. PC doesn't seem to learn that they should stop this kind of nonsense. I'll get back to them in 12-24 months.

But I bet that "they" will eventually "change the plans" or maybe "the timeline will change" or maybe they will claim to have prevented it.

You know that story about the Boy who cries Wolf?
That's PC.

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people are pretty smug, i think. why does this article neccessarily have to be a "cry wolf" scenario? which first western nation could never be subject to martial law? it's flimsy pop comments all the way... puh

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I cant wait til the video is viewable again, but have a few comments to make:

1. Anyone could have said that information and claimed to be bloodline, or maybe they just made it up. I know because I figured out everything they said myself, maybe they put the same puzzle together and wanted to create false credibility, for one of many possible reasons.

2. Im guilty of believing this, simply because it agrees with my thoughts, so its dangerous information.

3. They could be using it for reverse psychology. Notice how the end says cant we all get together, well yes lets erase borders and live as one united people to stop globalised NWO yay!! ...er...

4. One other theory I have been mulling over quite a while too, is what if caucasians are the evil force of the world, its incredibly hard for me to comprehend you know being caucasian, but if true it explains a lot. Why are the jews being set up to take the fall for 9-11? Why is Israel going to be destroyed? And then I thought to myself, whos the 'jews' doing this evil stuff to make us hate israel.

Its all white Jews. And mostly German. Rothschild, Rockefeller, Silverstein, etc etc all the names you hear, German or Russian... CAUCASIANS. Those who say they are jews but are actually of the synagogue of Satan... white people pretending to be Jews and doing things in their name to force everyone to hate them... its such a simple plan but... could it be true?

Er, if it is, please dont kill me for it, Im Norse but I believe everyone is equal... "


ah, so it is workable if it's "the jews" that are behind it.... sabbatean solution.

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"The video mentions high-level Masons. It doesn't say that Freemasonry itself is involved. It's not trying to allege a Freemasonic conspiracy, it just so happens that they are Masons.

Much like the Jews in Hollywood. Yeah, the majority of directors/producers are Jewish, but that doesn't make it a conspiracy based on Jewish principles. "


sense.imo

[h3rm35]

First off, I have to agree with you on most of your comments re: ATS members "analysis." They're not particularly bright over there, in most cases. I found them months after finding concen, and they just can't stack up. Most of them seem the weekend warrior type, that is, this type of research/investigating is a hobby for many, not a lifestyle. They seem to be the type that longs for the return of the "X Files," and are looking more for entertainment and a place to spout off anonymously in a drive to satisfy some sense of intellectual superiority.

I still don't get why, if this info is important for us to know, wasn't it more important for us to know before it went "off-track?" If Deacon wanted to pass along this info because it presented an evil plot and a threat to humanity, why wait 4 years?

I also thought it was kind of funny that 20-30 people were sitting around, frustrated that Israel wasn't moving fast enough to bomb Iran... It sounds like, if this is true, these guys were a group that wanted to wield influence, but didn't have the capability to... they are a faction below the all-seeing eye in the hierarchy. If those at the top wanted Israel to bomb Iran, it would have happened.

My daughter's mother was at a conference set up by president Clinton on sustainability once, out here in SF, at the UN. She had been invited because she had developed a curriculum for 12-18 year olds based around a board game relating to the interconnectedness of life and various living systems. She was shocked, as many world leaders and celebrities were there, including a Rockefeller (I'm not sure which one,) and they were blatantly discussing intentional population reduction through vaccinations, genetically modified crops, bio-weapons and forced starvation... after handing out her book to the people of influence that she was actually able to access, she kind of lost it, and started vocally agitating in the midst of a group of other attendees, talking about how fucked up the whole thing was, and how they needed to be stopped... she was eventually ejected by security and while she was collecting her materials to leave, she noticed some MIB types coming down the block towards her. She feinted in a couple of different directions to figure out if they were tracking her, and they were, so she started running...

Basically, she had to go as far as the golden gate bridge to throw their tail (about 4 miles), and got away without any interaction, but the many promising contacts and school systems that had contacted her in regards to instituting her curriculum seemed to evaporate after that, and many, many people have since taken bits of her info and used them for their own ends - there's one person in particular who's now on the lecture circuit who personally told her that he based his career and business around her work, and that she didn't have a chance in hell of nailing him for IP infringement because he'd been told by people high up in the food chain to steal and alter her work so that he could claim it as his. They would back his claims to it, basically turning the tables on her, threatening her with IP infringement if she brought her work to light again.

so yes, the broad concept is plausible. I've had first hand experience of a person who had their career and 10 years of R&D crushed over an attempt to expose a similar plan. I have problems with the specifics and the timing in this particular video clip, but this type of agenda has been simmering away on the back burner since (at least) the Clinton administration.

I guess I mostly take issue with the presentation of the facts, in particular, with the similar meme that I hear so often from New Agers that all we have to do is realize our own potential, and a natural expansion of consciousness will make it all go away... Billy boy talks about the fact that he wouldn't have "chosen to be incarnated in this place and time" if this were going to happen, and that simply being aware of this agenda is how it's going to be defeated.

It's nice and fluffy to think that if we can all just work on getting along, and that simply realizing that this is happening is going to end it. That's naive. It's wrong to spread the concept that we don't have to resist, that everything will be fixed because that's just the way things work. Things don't work that way.

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"I still don't get why, if this info is important for us to know, wasn't it more important for us to know before it went "off-track?" If Deacon wanted to pass along this info because it presented an evil plot and a threat to humanity, why wait 4 years?"

i don't know.. fear,perhaps? .. because he is part of it and they have to announce? could be many reasons but sure it could be considered a reason casting doubt on the validity. I absolutely agree, I am not saying it is real, I just think it sounds chillingly plausible. It would make sense with some of the recent events around the world and fit in with the rumours and known MO too etc. *shrugs*

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"I also thought it was kind of funny that 20-30 people were sitting around, frustrated that Israel wasn't moving fast enough to bomb Iran... It sounds like, if this is true, these guys were a group that wanted to wield influence, but didn't have the capability to... they are a faction below the all-seeing eye in the hierarchy. If those at the top wanted Israel to bomb Iran, it would have happened. "

I am not going to speculate on whether they were high powered underlings or not. But the prospective attack on Iran is on ongoing situation .. like I said, my opinion is that the release of the NIC report etc illustrates that there is an ongoing struggle behind the scenes. jmo