Another encounter with New Jersey's finest

[SiLVa]

So on Friday night, a friend of mine, his wife as well as my fiance and I planned on going to check out the new Clash of the Titans remake. We try to go to the movies together every so often, mostly because there's nothing much else to do around here unless you want to go drink yourself broke and possibly get arrested for getting into a fight with some punk kids at a local bar, so we figure lets just go enjoy a movie. Yeah...right.

Aside from my fiance, the rest of us smoke weed often. Sometimes too often, I guess. She does occasionally but not that night. We rolled a lil something for the ride to the movies and jumped in my buddy's car. He's driving, his wife is sitting shotgun, Im behind her on the passenger side and my fiance next to me behind the driver. We smoked it to the end and I tossed the roach out the window as we were driving. It was finished minutes before coming off the main road. As we come up to the street where we have to make a right turn to go toward the movie theater, we see cop cars all around. One in front of us in the middle of the intersection standing at someones window that they must have just pulled over, and one down the street aways parked in the middle of the street, flashing lights on and all. So as the light turned green we started to turn right- there is a cop car facing up the hill/street towards us. Before we could even blink, the cop car that was just pulled over at the intersection, swings around and gets behind my friends car with the lights still on, pulling us over. so now there is a cop car facing us and one behind us.
At this point we're like "Fuck!" We know that we didnt bring anything else, but the car reeked of weed(a really good kush/sour diesel hybrid, btw), and we knew we were going to be questioned and all that but not the way it actually happened.
Okay so this cop, walks up to the car and my friend lowers the window about half way and the cop looks inside the car, he seems to have smelled it and asks him to step out of the car. My friend hesitates a little taken back by the guy not even asking for the license, registration or whatever. So he says,
-Why, whats the problem?
Cop says -Get out of the car NOW!!
My friend says -Well Im a little uncomfortable you just coming on us like this- cop cuts him off by grabbing the door handle and opening the door himself, grabs my friends forearm and proceeds to pull him out of the car amidst all kinds of bullshit like
- Oh yeah?! You think you can do what you want? You better do what we say...I'm the POLICE!...I dont care...YOU DO WHAT I SAY! My friend was like so you just pull people out of their cars now?
as he's searching his pockets he puts hand cuffs on him and takes him to the back of the car screaming at him to stand still, saying shit like - I pulled you out because I saw you were reaching for something yada yada- fuckin nonsense.
Next thing I know, my door is opened and he tells me to get out.
I ask -Whats this all about?
-You know what it is- he said, -I smell it, where is it? I get out because I can tell this guy is on a rampage, his whole demeanor was on full asshole mode. Clearly this douchebag was waiting for a reason to beat someones ass. And an opportunity to beat on a big guy like me is never wasted on their part. He takes my phone and wallet out of my pocket and starts cuffing me. makes us both sit on the curb next to the car. My boy thinking it will help, tells him, -We just smoked, and threw it out when we were done. Just trying to go on our way to the movies, not looking for trouble, there's nothing left in the car.
The cop doesnt even listen at all.
They called a female cop to come search the girls and all this time like four other cop cars show up maybe another 4-6 officers. they look and look find nothing, then the asshole cop finds the cup holder ashtray we used, the ones that you pop off the top to empty them. I knew i had thrown the thing out so I thought we were straight. Turns out there was another roach in there that my friend must have left in there.
As soon as he found it he screams out, - OK everyones getting locked up!!
He found 1 roach, probably wouldnt even be weighed out to .1 grams of actual weed. And he was acting like he hit the motherload. Like we had pounds of it in the car.
-Wheres the rest of it? I know there's more I can smell it. he said
My friend-Theres nothing in there, didnt even know that was there. We told you this already.
At this point I see one of the officers listening to his radio and over the speaker I hear them mentioning something about looking for a Nissan, same car as my friends. So I put 2 n 2 together and thats when I start.
-So you guys pulled over the wrong car huh?
the cop with the radio says- yeah the wrong car with weed in the car.
I said, -There is no weed in the car, you found an ashtray with ashes, and cigar papers. You guys are reaching. you dont even have a justifiable reason to have pulled us over in the 1st place.
At this point Asshole cop#1's ears perk up and he's like -What did he just say? You think your smart huh? Everyone thinks their a lawyer. Your all getting arrested, so keep talking smart ass.
-Arrested for what? I ask. No response.
Time goes by, the girls are searched by a female cop as the asshole cops just watch and giggle like lil school kids watching other kids get in trouble. As the cops keep looking in the car, the girls are cuffed and then taken to another car to seperate us.
The K9 unit is called in and a Sheriff deputy with a dog comes walking up. The dog, of course finds nothing, and yet they keep saying the dog is "hitting on the center console". They claim that the console is loose and that they think its odd that the console is loose in a newer car- probably because they broke it.

After all that, as it becomes evidently clear that there is no weed in the car, all the extra cops that were just milling around entertaining themselves scattered like cockroaches. They uncuffed us, let the girls back in the car and gave us our stuff back. Total change of mood- as if we were never in that situation to begin with. It was retarded.
My friend was given 2 tickets, one was for CDS in a motor vehicle and one was for his tints, and then it was over. He asked for my name and address, I presume to check for warrants, but I dont know. I gave him the wrong address anyway, Fuck him.
The whole incident was like 2 hours of total bullshit. And the cops still claimed we werent cooperating.
I felt real bad for my girl, she had never experienced anything like that, and the cuffs actually broke the skin on one of her wrists, fuckin assholes. But through all that I still knew nothing was going to happen to us, it ws just a huge show of force for nothing. There was even more interaction between all the other cops that were just standing around but nothing significant.
One of the cops was talking about how we dont listen to their commands, so I chimed in
-How in the hell is anyone supposed to just trust the police when they act like thugs. Ive had friends get unlawfully harassed by police, I knew a cop that kidnapped someone once- another cops daughter actually. He just ignored me, of course.

I dont think my friend will have a hard time getting this shit dismissed though, they didnt give him a possesion charge because he didnt have anything else on him. But overall, probably the last time I smoke in a car ever.
Which sucks because I did that often but its not worth all that bullshit, really.

[Deathaniel]

(04-12-2010 07:34 PM)SiLVa Wrote:  I dont think my friend will have a hard time getting this shit dismissed though, they didnt give him a possesion charge because he didnt have anything else on him. But overall, probably the last time I smoke in a car ever.
Which sucks because I did that often but its not worth all that bullshit, really.

this just re-inforces my points re shutting up and playing nice, keep your fake sheep's skin over your real fur.... now your friend not only was humiliated but will waste time.. both in court/ maybe off work to fight it....


and damn man I'm a chronic... have you never heard of the the 4-80 system... guess 4-30 in your area, thats 4 windows down 30+ miles an hour..... blows the stink out.... amatures.... if you stop they won!

just get smarter.....

[Hans Olo]

This is the perfect opportunity for you guys to file criminal complaints against all of the police officers that were there. They have nothing against you, so you don't have to worry about a thing. File criminal complaints with the court against every single one of the officers for them ...

- stopping you without reasonable suspicion (official deprivation of civil rights) which also makes them trespass 'ab initio'
- aggravated assault (they pulled your friend out of the car while displaying a deadly weapon) meaning that the officers knowingly assaulted, participated, aided or abetted the assault or mistreatment on your friend and also
- official misconduct (for assaulting your friend) and against the others that they failed to take action to stop the assault or mistreatment of your friend
- false arrest or unlawful detention (in Texas it's called kidnapping) for holding you without probable cause

Every one of you should go after every one of the police officers. It's your duty to hold them accountable for their crimes. Maybe they won't get convicted. But think about what such serious charges would to their careers.

Also, sue them personally for the damage they did to the car. They acted without probable cause, that is, outside their scope of office. That means zero immunity.

I'm also pretty sure your friend can win the case of CDS in a motor vehicle, because he was not operating a motor vehicle as defined in the transportation code. If they even try to convict him of this, he can go after the judge, too. Question his subject matter jurisdiction. For that, you have to look at what specific law or statutes they are charging him with violating. Same goes for the tints. If the statute says "motor vehicle" he can win this thing. In any way it's going to be a hoot.

If this goes to court, I'm pretty sure the cops are going to lie on the witness stand. Good. You can hammer them for that. Don't let anyone of them get away with that kind of crapola.

Call Randy and Eddie of ruleoflawradio.com and check with them everything I just said. I'd be very, very happy to hear what they have to say about that case. They'll probably come up with some more really nice charges. I'll be listening to the archives and get back to you after I heard you call in.

http://www.ruleoflawradio.com/

Their show is on Mondays & Thursdays 8-10, Fridays 8-Midnight CST

[SiLVa]

Interesting Hans, thanks for the input. I do feel like we can at the least file some kind of report on these guys. One of the assholes said that his tints alone would give them a reason to stop us, but I think thats horseshit.
I'll try to have my friend call in tonite, but thats on him. If I called in and they explained a bunch of stuff to me, Id just have to repeat it all for him and Id probably miss something- Id rather him do it himself. But I'm definately going to pass that info along. Thanks.

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LOL, I just started listening to one of the archived shows. I heard the COPS theme, Bad Boys...
That one cop that was like you need to listen to cops when they tell you to do something...He even said, "You ever see COPS? Havent you seen that show?
I said "the TV Show? Sorry man, but I dont believe everything I see on TV, especially if the show is biased."

[Easy Skanking]

That's totally fucked up. I feel for you and your friends. Been there myself on several occasions. Fuck the police.
Encourage your friend to take it to the assholes. Fight the power!

[Hans Olo]

> I do feel like we can at the least file some kind of report on these guys.

A report is going to be thrown in the trash. A criminal complaint with the court however threatens their career.

> If I called in and they explained a bunch of stuff to me, Id just have to repeat it all for him and Id probably miss something- Id rather him do it himself. But I'm definately
> going to pass that info along. Thanks.

That's not true. Everthing is archived. You told the story so well, and your friend is probably not gonna do anything. It's gonna be a hoot! You can nail them even better because you were not even in the driver's seat.

> That one cop that was like "you need to listen to cops when they tell you to do something..."

I guess we'll let the jury decide that one

One piece of advice they give on that show is to never pick a fight with a policeman down the road. He's the one with the gun. When he's done with you, then you go after him, in court.

[Deathaniel]

(04-12-2010 10:19 PM)Hans Olo Wrote:  > I do feel like we can at the least file some kind of report on these guys.

A report is going to be thrown in the trash. A criminal complaint with the court however threatens their career.

> If I called in and they explained a bunch of stuff to me, Id just have to repeat it all for him and Id probably miss something- Id rather him do it himself. But I'm definately
> going to pass that info along. Thanks.

That's not true. Everthing is archived. You told the story so well, and your friend is probably not gonna do anything. It's gonna be a hoot! You can nail them even better because you were not even in the driver's seat.

> That one cop that was like "you need to listen to cops when they tell you to do something..."

I guess we'll let the jury decide that one

One piece of advice they give on that show is to never pick a fight with a policeman down the road. He's the one with the gun. When he's done with you, then you go after him, in court.

how ironic... i was labeled a pussy and cop lover when i said to behave around them and attack later... yet here i see some who childed me on this position "flip fliping on the issue"

if we taught our kids and those of limited mental/ emotional restraint to be co-operative but observant then cops would not go HE MAN on people when they pull over.... cops are more unnerved by the silent co-operative type, then the loud fool who gives them real reason to charge them, the guy behaved enough and shut up so it ended with no big tickets or impouded car... and was it not satiflying to go hm and burn another knowing the cop got nothing but a roach, and looked a fool to the other cops, sure they were giggling at the girl search, but they will be razing the one HERO copper who called them in as him being a big time waster...

but now that your free, and such i would agree with fighting it, but like the one guy said if you don't make it official enough say with a lawyer which cost you money it won't affect them, but some bad press if you can get the press to pay attention wouldn't hurt, but would make at least same copper behave a bit more civil next time.

[April]

Gosh! What a crazy experience silva!! I'm glad it didn't escalate into anything worse.

Sorry that all of you were put through that.

[h3rm35]

from everything I hear about "Clash of the Titans," they probably did you a favor by stopping you before you spent the money on the movie tickets...

j/k, of course...

I'm all with Hans on this one - nail their snausage-smelling asses to the wall, in every way you can. I had some NY state troopers pull me and my friend over once on the way back from a supply run in Harlem - we had a rather large package in the back of the car...

We had done nothing wrong, but we looked like hippies, and had the bumper stickers to back it up.

They acted very similarly to the cops that you dealt with, but they actually forcibly took my friend's keys to open the trunk. The collected our $3k package, uncuffed us, and told us to be on our way - no citation, no written warning, no evidence that anything had happened...

...until one officer was back in the cruiser, and other waited next to the driver's side while my friend was entering the vehicle...

The fucking pig waited until my friend who was 6'2"was almost inside the car and slammed the door while grunting "watch your fucking head."

The door smashed into his skull, and he slunk to the ground, his head and neck bent at a right angle on the ground, one foot up in the air over the seat, the other lower-leg on the floorboard. When I came to grips with what had just happened, the fucking pig was already getting into the cruiser. As I made it around to the other side, they were pulling away - the swine glanced with an indignant sneer as they drove away - motherfucker! I wanted so badly to kill the bastard!

Anyway, my friend was unconscious, bleeding from his mouth and the point where the door had impacted, but not where his head had hit the door-frame. He did have a pulse, and he was breathing. this was in the mid nineties, so we didn't have cell-phones because they weren't cheap or small, so I decided to ignore the possibility of paralyzing him by fucking up a neck or back injury - I had seen the incident, and it didn't seem like either had been affected. I was a lot smaller than him, so I had to open both back doors, prop him up on one side, then run around to the other and drag him up over the back seat, then drive him to the hospital. He came to groggily before we got there, and demanded that I not tell the doctors what had happened with the cops, due to his priors. He was afraid it would come back on him.

From that day forth, I promised myself that I would never again let those arrogant pricks get away with something like that that I had witnessed...

I just haven't gotten the opportunity since to follow through on it.

We can't let these fuckers get away with this kind of abuse or brutality. They're just fucking people, or sub-humans in most cases when you check their IQ test results.


@ Deathanyl - no one ever questioned the concept that you should wait to get into it with cops until after an abusive situation, and then through legal means - stop playing the fucking victim. You got called out for saying an 11 year old child deserved corporal punishment (your term - in fact you said "they need it at that age",) and tazing by cops at a day care facility. Just because people stopped listening to your ignorance in that thread doesn't mean you should bring it up in this one. Take it to fists of fury and quote your case on a point by point basis. Once you give this a shot, you'll probably realize you've got no basis for the comment you just made.

as far as your point in this thread goes:

Quote:if we taught our kids and those of limited mental/ emotional restraint to be co-operative but observant then cops would not go HE MAN on people when they pull over...

my friend and I were never even the slightest bit confrontational. Any time we opened our mouths to ask a civilized question, we were shouted down with threats of violence before we could finish... so, put simply, you're wrong.

[Hans Olo]

One more thing to remember. When you want to go against a cop in a civil case, you need standing. For example, you need to be the one that got hurt. But you can always go against them criminally. When you witness a public official committing a crime and then file a criminal complaint with the court - they won't even see you coming. They have nothing to hold against you, and that will scare them.

When you prepare criminal complaints against the police officers, the clerk of the court is probably not wanting to take them. Tell her you don't want her to tell you that - go get the judge to tell you that. Why? Because you want to file criminal complaints against somebody for shielding from prosecution, and you want it to be him and not her. That will get their attention. When the judge still refuses to take the complaint, you are done there. You now write a criminal complaint against the judge and file it with the district attorney (one step higher). If they won't take them, you go to the district judge. You want to raise as big a stink as possible.

Then at some point, somebody will want to know what that is all about. They will land on that first judge like a ton of bricks for not taking your complaint in the first place, and it's gonna be a hoot.

If you think I sound like Randy: I try to

[SiLVa]

Didnt get a chance to listen to the show last nite, or call in. I didnt get home until after 10:30.
I will do my best to catch them on Thur.

-as far as standing, what do I have to go on without any real visual injury? The most I had was swollen wrists and my girl has a couple real small paper thin cuts on her wrists, but not very damaging.
I just have this nagging feeling that this will be a huge waste of time and energy. Not saying I wont go through with it, I just want to know how I go about accusing them, and making it stick. What are the best charges to stick to them, and what things I shouldnt even bring up?
Around here, its our word vs theirs and theirs usually holds more weight in a courtroom, no matter if they lie or not. Not to mention my friend has a prior felony for moving weight over NY/NJ border- happened so many years ago, but I know they wont hesitate to use that against his reputation in court.

I was even saying to the Sheriff deputy when he was standing there, "I know the Sheriff is supposed to protect our rights from cops like this, all kinds of due process laws are being broken here"
You know what he said?
"All I can report on is what Ive seen, And I just got here, I didnt see anything like that."
I was like, "look at me, Im sitting here being detained, handcuffed till my hands are totally numb, without any real reason. Thats not enough?"
And he just looked away and tended to the dog. I asked him if he was still filing a report even if there was no arrest, he said yeah, that he does that anyway. And that was it, he pretty much ignored us from there on and left as soon as he could- after they were finally sure that the dog wasnt finding anything else in the car.

[Hans Olo]

(04-13-2010 03:06 PM)SiLVa Wrote:  I will do my best to catch them on Thur.

Cool! That's gonna be fun! I'm so looking forward to listening to that show. Thursday is the 4 hour show, call in early so they will have time for you. In the last two hours the caller board is pretty stacked.

Quote:as far as standing, what do I have to go on without any real visual injury? The most I had was swollen wrists and my girl has a couple real small paper thin cuts on her wrists, but not very damaging.

Easy. You only need standing if you are suing them for damages. But you're not, you're going after them criminally. You are filing criminal complaints against public officials. The police officer assaulted you and your friends. You are merely reporting a crime to the court. The law says that's your duty...

Quote:I just have this nagging feeling that this will be a huge waste of time and energy. Not saying I wont go through with it, I just want to know how I go about accusing them, and making it stick. What are the best charges to stick to them, and what things I shouldnt even bring up?

Waste of time, maybe, if you're not interested in liberty. I'm kidding, I understand where you're coming from. Just look at it as some sort of free legal education. As far as charges are concerned, here's what I suspect will be the case, but ask Eddie or Randy to make sure:

- stopping you without reasonable suspicion (official deprivation of civil rights) which also makes them trespass 'ab initio' (from the beginning) which makes all further actions they took void.

In some states they might be able to legally stop you. I'm not sure. As far as I know, America is not a 'papers please' society, at least not by law. They had no reasonable suspicion to begin with. The smell occured only after they have already (illegaly) stopped you. I'm really not sure if it was a legal stop since they didn't want to see your papers or anything. Let them cops come up with a reason why they stopped you and let's see what the jury says. But ask Randy just to make sure.

- aggravated assault (they pulled your friend out of the car while displaying a deadly weapon)

That one is gonna stick. The officers will probably lie in court. Good. Have them lie before the court. They might get away with that, maybe you catch them contradicting each other. The other officers are not going to be happy playing russian roulette (testalying) to protect their buddy.

- official misconduct (for assaulting your friend) and against the others that they failed to take action to stop the assault or mistreatment of your friend

Sticky.

- false arrest or unlawful detention (in Texas it's called kidnapping) for holding you without probable cause

Should be sticky. Your friend should not have admitted to smoking the weed in the car, but that evidence is probably inadmissible since it was obtained illegaly. Let the jury decide.

Quote:Around here, its our word vs theirs and theirs usually holds more weight in a courtroom, no matter if they lie or not.

But if you tell the truth in court and they lie, they need to take that risk and lile before the court. The other officers (bystanders) will not like that one bit. And even if the charges were dropped - they still have to appear before the court and put their career on the line. You on the other hand as a pro-se-litigant (without an attorney), have nothing to lose, nothing to fear.

Quote:Not to mention my friend has a prior felony for moving weight over NY/NJ border- happened so many years ago, but I know they wont hesitate to use that against his reputation in court.

That's why you should file the complaints. You and your girl are clear.

Quote:I was even saying to the Sheriff deputy when he was standing there, "I know the Sheriff is supposed to protect our rights from cops like this, all kinds of due process laws are being broken here"
You know what he said?
"All I can report on is what Ive seen, And I just got here, I didnt see anything like that."

He may be correct. That's why you don't complain to the Sheriff, you file complaints with the court. The Sheriff did nothing wrong, if he arrived later. He has plausible deniability. He can always say, he operated from the assumption that his officers were doing their jobs.

Ask Eddie Craig, he is one of the hosts of ruleoflawradio and a former Sheriff(!)

Don't worry, if the original charges won't hold water. Some clerk or judge will probably screw up trying to stop you from filing the charges. Good. File charges against them for protecting (shielding) the officers from prosecution. You want to climb up the ladder real quick and make as big a stink as possible. Just imagine everyone did that, they couldn't afford harrassing cititzens that way any longer. In fact, even if only a handful of people did that every month, they needed to change policy immediately.

Hey, it's just some fun. Your liberty is not on the line, that's why it's a perfect opportunity. Look at gsxr's case. He is facing jailtime, he can not pull the shenanigans you can pull. With you, that's a different story.

I'm sitting in Germany, this country is corrupt to its teeth. I'm only giving you the suggestions, for my entertainment and as a mental training excercise of how to go after public officials, how to stand up for your rights and how to raise a stink. You guys smoke weed? Then you will need those skills later, I'm almost sure.

I'd say just ask your questions to Randy and Eddie and see what they can make of it. It's 10 minutes of your time well spent.

[SiLVa]

I tried calling the other day, but no answer. Wanted to call last night but I didnt get a chance to. I'll keep trying though...
My friend wanted me to go with him to the lawyer yesterday just in case there was anything he missed when telling his side of the story.
Not like it was a surprise, I knew that this "lawyer" probably wouldnt do anything of any significance. I just didnt think he'd be so blatanly cavalier about how corrupt and depraved every aspect of the court system is. A major douchebag this guy was. Yeah he called himself a realist and didnt want to paint a rosey image to get my friends hopes up, But he really seemed like he had no intentions of "fighting" anything. Even the blatant lies and contradictions that were on the sloppy police report.(which I'll post up in a sec.)
He pretty much said, 'I wont bother fighting this, they have all the evidence they need to convict you. I know some people over in that town, I used to be a prosecutor in a town by there. I can talk to the prosecutor and ask them to do me a favor and lower the charge to something else that wont take away your driving privileges.' When asked about filing reports on the cops, he said he wouldnt take the case if we did. That it would be pointless and they wouldnt be "cooperative" and would probably want to convict even more if we went after the cops.
Paraphrasing, he said 'You need to know someone, all my cases are different, but the one thing remains the same, Cops lie, and the state protects them, theres no getting around it.' Translation: pointless pointless pointless. Resistance is futile. Having connections matters, not the law.
The bastard had the audacity to sarcastically question if I lived here all my life or if I was from another country when I made a statement on how this kind of bullshit is allowed to keep happening, when its obvious that the police are lying right along side the judges that protect them, and lawyers too. "Thats the way it is" As if thats just supposed to be some sort of normal part of life I have to deal with if I live here. I held my tongue more than I ever have in my life. I wanted to lay into this piece of shit so bad, but its my friends choice so I kept quiet in case he actually decided to go with this turd. Apparently he was family to someone my friend knew so I didnt want to piss the guy off, even though he didnt seem to give a shit about who his own family referred to him. His whole attitude was just dispicable.
He avoided good questions by me by making up these hypothetical situations, without ever answering the questions - at that point I was done. He wants to charge my buddy almost $3000, without even acting like he wants to fight anything, its fuckin ridiculous.
Im so disappointed with this country, this state, the way people within the system even look at the situation we are in. Its so fucked.

[Deathaniel]

(04-23-2010 04:04 PM)SiLVa Wrote:  The bastard had the audacity to sarcastically question if I lived here all my life or if I was from another country when I made a statement on how this kind of bullshit is allowed to keep happening, when its obvious that the police are lying right along side the judges that protect them, and lawyers too. "Thats the way it is" As if thats just supposed to be some sort of normal part of life I have to deal with if I live here. I held my tongue more than I ever have in my life. I wanted to lay into this piece of shit so bad, but its my friends choice so I kept quiet in case he actually decided to go with this turd. Apparently he was family to someone my friend knew so I didnt want to piss the guy off, even though he didnt seem to give a shit about who his own family referred to him. His whole attitude was just dispicable.
He avoided good questions by me by making up these hypothetical situations, without ever answering the questions - at that point I was done. He wants to charge my buddy almost $3000, without even acting like he wants to fight anything, its fuckin ridiculous.
Im so disappointed with this country, this state, the way people within the system even look at the situation we are in. Its so fucked.

his name wasn't L. Hutz was it?

and 3000.00! how much is the tickets again... i think this proves what i said earlier, the only justice the common man will get is to avoid justice and it's agents (cops)

this fully surports my position: stay under the radar, become a ghost and start your exit strategy, have your friend drag the thing out incourt for as long as possible swapping lawyers a few times and going to trial should keep the process away until either it's moot, or they drop it for being in the system too long. of course your friend will need a job to get it dropped is he employed?

And as i re read lawyer part of post, i see a hidden bias towards the crime as well as corruption, would not be surprised if the lawyer is a Gaunga hater, and feels you should be consequenced. That being said, best to find a lawyer who is not biased, so they won't be trading your guilt off for another more prestigious client... happens all the time, one reason why i NEVER use a public defender.

And another fun question whats his hourly rate at if it's 3000.00 up front!
is this guy part of the biggest firm in jersey? like really i suffered a much harder case and had 40 some charges and the whole fiasco only cost me 7600.00 canadian dollars, b4 they were worth more then green backs, and i nearly walked. Plead to one so i could get access to jail.

and lastly since your a fellow pot head one last piece of advice for your friend.... if he is convicted have him aim for jail rather then any fines or license loss, and have him employed and supporting at least one other; say a gf if no kids so he can get weekends or intermittent... for this not violent crime you could get it....

and then after the first weekend start bringing packages in and selling them at jail prices, on weekends people just want to get high so there shouldn't be any beef, and you can recover the fees the system cost you like the schister lawyer, and lost wage... with the cost (inside) of near 40 a gram for pot you do the math!

just keep it on the down low your packing until the end of your bit with anyone, make a friend who can help you be the seller on the inside, and don't cuff, unless you know the guy and he's back next weekend!

Good luck buddy.

[SiLVa]

    Here are pics of the police report. Check out how the story differs from what really happened as I reported earlier. I see like 4-5 blatant lies, and arguably 2 contradictions. I wasnt surprised.

- The blacked out part up top is my fiances name and old address as well as our new address. Figured I put enough of my own shit out there, Im not trying to get her in any kind of trouble.