Jesse Ventura - Trutv - Episode 2 - 9/11

[JFK]

(12-16-2009 12:06 AM)humbug Wrote:  It comes down to how you use or are abused by all the gadgets around

I know what you mean...

< looks at torrent list currently downloading and cringes >

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(12-15-2009 10:10 PM)humbug Wrote:  So what has the system to gain in your opinion from producing a show with experts on bad acting? Anyone care to clarify this for me without blowing up?

keep a lid on it - "co-option" edit) - keep a lid on it by a controlled "blowing the lid off it" - still more stage management.

it's in your face that your quest for truth becomes less than another t-shirt imo. hope not but it a real sketchy show. stinks of co-option.
you notice how capitalism and communism are morphic and how punk IS kinda dead? same principle possibly.

[triplesix]

My friends and comrades, you've lost your damn minds! I thought I was becoming a cripplingly, depressing pessimist but your outlook on Jesse Ventura is incredibly disturbing.

At least we had ONE show where the host and his team provided conclusion upon conclusion that the government is hiding something and these things do require more research, without constantly providing some female voice over saying "small-dicked paranoid conspiracy theorist truthers have been saying this for years.... yada yada."

This could've been some BBC-produced "fuck you" to all of us in the truth movement, like nearly all mainstream television broadcast 9/11 "investigations" which would've warranted an extreme "shill" reaction but instead you are just incredibly torqued over the production values of the show?

Obviously they are actors, give me a fuckin' break. A first grader knows the whole "telling television from reality" conundrum. They are nothing more than a narrative device in which to create a visually appealing package to deliver their particular thematic presupposition, which for us conspiracy theorists, luckily is a suspicion of guilt on the part of the elite and not the other way around.

As far as Jesse Ventura being a shill, or the television program being advanced CoInTelPro, my only question is how does that jive with the subjective response of the viewer to the programming? What is being accomplished by the show to inhibit the truth movement, and how does that square with the significant strides made in revealing information to the general public?

Particularly the significant accomplishment of just creating a show that does not denigrate the truth movement as its modus operandi?

I think this is a case of being overly paranoid or even conspiracy elitist. Of course it doesn't represent the highly detailed, bulletproof material you or I may produce or wish to have publicly broadcast, but at least it is something. Or at least I thought.

Peace.

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it's called co-option. the "show" releases pressure - he has been pimped out jmo. it is a diversary tactic to assuage public opinion into it being just another tv show thereby negating the growing momentum hopefully...from their pov.

somebody should ask "the governor" his position on these issues - i am not opposed to the idea he just wants to actually blow the lid off the lie, myself.

DeBono? tv control?

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money?
show cost?
who makes what?
anything back into the "movement!"?
pertinent questions?

[JFK]

I agree, it is something...

But IMO it is too little - too late.

I do hope I am wrong and it does spawn a more detailed series, but I am not holding my breath for it.

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the tonality of the show is schlock - it is the worst sign possible.

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they don't care lol they are going to try and do us in soon jmo

[triplesix]

I guess I am just going to have to disagree. I think the tone of the show is unequivocally critical of the secretive nature of the shadow government. As far as the sheep becoming acclimated to the concept of conspiracy as television entertainment, if this is what you believe, then it implies you think they are rebranding their denial, which could only mean they are becoming less secure in their policy of claiming conspiracy is a marginal mental health issue.

All in all I find these to be conspiracy ivory tower musings not entirely compatible with the observable phenomena especially in context of the last six years.

Jmo

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look up the phrase co option before you judge my words so quickly

fuck all to do with ivory towers t6 even tho you said it more than once

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btw - ivory towers is an ad hom

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possibly is an ignorance of american culture on my part in assuming an ability to judge it's cultural impact... from here it looked like plastic surgery but i accept i'm not the best to judge whether it's real or not.

in a general media sense - i think it is co-option

[triplesix]

There wasn't any aggression in what I had to say so just chalk it up to text doing a piss poor job of conveying subtext.

As far as the usage of ivory tower, well it is a highly interpretative metaphor with no distinct definition. My implication was of academics who become "a bit too close" to their subjects, if you understand the turn of phrase. I also never know if the phrases I choose to say are going to be understood in the international sense, and I have to assume that I have an entirely North American "dialect" that may get lost in translation with European English speakers. I went on a trip to Paris ages ago and had a better understanding of Parisian French than of London English.

Anyway, my point is just that I wasn't trying to be confrontational.

I think that ConCen is a very highly evolved community of extremely sharp and intuitive individuals. Honest interpretation has to conclude it was a projection on my part, labeling your opinions as ivory tower, since it was based on the conscious assumption of your opinions being too well educated to be applicable to the average view of the show. I mean it really is patently obvious in retrospect.

Still, my point is, I think it is indicative of a change in the status quo, as far as the media is concerned, when a show, any show, and in this case Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory, is allowed to be produced for mainstream consumption at a time of hugely broad populations of "conspiracy theorists;" and is permitted to speak in a relatively positive regard of conspiracy in the face of the military and the government. I think that is huge!

And a final thought. Not to toot my own horn, but since I've been deprogrammed from the Matrix, and opened my third eye, and all these other metaphors to describe the complex "awakening" process, I really feel I have a very intuitive sense of the "celebrities" in the truth movement.

I don't detect disingenuousness in Jesse Ventura, personally. I "feel" he's coming from the right place.

Again though, jmo, peace.

[JFK]

(12-16-2009 03:27 AM)triplesix Wrote:  As far as the usage of ivory tower, well it is a highly interpretative metaphor with no distinct definition. My implication was of academics who become "a bit too close" to their subjects.

I agree. For instance in Secondlife the "Ivory Tower" is where newbies go to learn how things there work... And pick up "freebies".


Maybe it looses something in the German translation ? < shrugs >

[Melchor]

(12-15-2009 10:10 PM)humbug Wrote:  Lol, you found the thread after all, no worries buddy, you do have a point, was just a little too harsh and lacking respect for my liking, goes not only for you, but for the "one-liners" among us, something I too am working on

So what has the system to gain in your opinion from producing a show with experts on bad acting? Ridiculing people who are into this type of stuff? Turning off system believers from clarifying 911? A plan to mock us? Doesn't producing a show like this or movies like the davinci coed blow up in the system's face? What about Alex Jones, how does he fit in, listened to his show, way too long and quite annoying presentation style... I can imagine his listeners do waste a lot of time if they follow his every word? The starlets of conspiracy theory do seem phony, but for me, getting into all of this through personal experience and not having to rely on these media "shills or not shills" for info I just don't get the "why go to so much trouble?". Anyone care to clarify this for me without blowing up?

Well, I listened to the show in the background. It reminded me of those "shocking UFO revelations" programs they do on "SyFy" and other similar stations. If you are a true believer they might seem serious and whatnot but if you aren't they seem hokey, fake, and overdone. That's the reaction I got to the 9-11 thing. I haven't watched any other other episodes yet. But my take is basically it looks like an expose but really to the uneducated it is just another bullshit tabloid style program. Sure some people might be drawn in at the margins. But those are the people that think everything on television is accurate and the effect can easily be countered by other programs. The people who are somewhat skeptical however, will see it and have their skepticism turned against the conspiracy explanation because of the over the top tabloid presentation and inoculate those same people from alternate information because "Oh you just saw that on Ventura's show."