Air France Plane Goes Missing Off Brazilian Coast; 228 Aboard

[hammer]

2 bodies, ticket found near Air France crash site.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...9Dgq5wD98LCNPG3

[Shinobi]

Lets keep an open mind...

Quote:Re: <BREAKING>BODIES FOUND!Investigators said the AF447 sent 24 messages in less than 5 minutes before it disappeared. Bomb can't be ruled out.

Anonymous Coward
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6/6/2009 6:10 PM

If any one is so stupid as to believe that there could be two bodies in the area where this supposed plane supposedly crashed, I think we can safely say the PTB have the drugs in the water at the right dose.

Think about it - these two bodies are like that magic passport on 9-11. A huge great impact of an airliner onto an ocean would of been like hitting concrete. The plane should of smashed into millions of fragments and there should be major amounts of debris.

They cannot be serious when they expect us to think that this plane dove down into the water and penetrated it without destroying itself on impact?

Those huge engines on the wings had a huge frontal area, and their weight and shape aloe should of ripped the wings off.

In short, there should be a major debris field unless this plane went in low and slow, and then sank - however, that doesn't tally with the official story.

so they pull out a pair of 'magic air disaster bodies' and a ticket. Maybe this ticket is made of the same stuff as Attas passport was.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...810483/pg9

Theres quite a big discussion on it over there, I dont go there much but it came up in my searches for more about this incident.
(Seems like the only sane post on that entire thread mind you:))

[M15TERB15H1]

i is never gettin on a plane again... im walkin everywhere

[B4Time]

-Luiz Roberto Anastacio, 50; Brazilian; president for South America, Michelin
-Mateus Antunes, Brazilian
-Octavio Antunes, Brazilian
-Patricia Antunes, Brazilian
-Stephane Artiguenave, 35; French; salesman at electrical distributor CGED
-Sandrine Artiguenave, 34; French
-Silvio Barbato, Brazilian, former conductor for the Rio de Janeiro Municipal Theater Orchestra
-Valnizia Betzler, Brazilian
-Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 32; French; co-pilot of AF447
-Pedro Luis de Orleans e Braganca, 26; Brazilian; descendent of Brazil’s last emperor
-Isabelle Bonin, 36; French; wife of AF447 co-pilot Pierre-Cedric Bonin
-Aisling Butler, 26; Irish, of Roscrea, Ireland; doctor
-Vanderleia Carraro, Brazilian
-Julia Chaves de Mirandas Chmi, Brazilian
-Leticia Chem, Brazilian
-Roberto Chem, Brazilian
-Vera Chem, Brazilian
-Chen Chiping, 53, Chinese; wife of Liaoning province’s vice mayor, vice manager of a trade company under Benxi Iron & Steel
-Chen Qingwei, 35, Chinese; resident of central Chinese city of Wuhan, had applied to become Brazilian investment immigrant
-Brad Clemes, 49; Canadian from Guelph, Ontario; Coca-Cola executive
-Arthur Coakley, 61; British; structural engineer for PDMS
-Bianca Cotta, Brazilian
-Ana Luis Curty, Brazilian
-Leonardo Dardengo, Brazilian
-Juliana de Aquina, Brazilian
-Jose Roberto Gomes da Silva, Brazilian
-Carlos Eduardo de Mello, Brazilian
-Jane Deasy, 27; Irish; doctor
-Marc Dubois, 58; French; flight captain of AF447
-Simone Elias, Brazilian
-Marcia Mosconde Faria, Brazilian
-Sonia Ferreira, Brazilian
-Adriana Henriques, Brazilian
-Walter Carrilho Junior, Brazilian
-Izabela Kestler, Brazilian
-Jozsef Gallasz, 44; Hungarian; partner of Hungarian victim Rita Szarvas.
-Gao Jiachun, 27, Chinese; an employee with Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. in south China city of Shenzhen
-Gao Xing, 39, Chinese; manager of trade company under Benxi Iron & Steel
-Antonio Gueiros; Brazilian; information systems director, Michelin
-Michael Harris, 60; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana; geologist
-Anne Harris; American, from Lafayette, Louisiana, physical therapist
-Erich Heine, 41; South African-born; member of executive board of ThyssenKrupp Steel AG
-Claus-Peter Hellhammer, 28; employee of ThyssenKrupp Steel AG based in Germany
-Veronica Ivanovitch, 57; Swiss-Brazilian; the wife of telecoms millionaire Hans Ivanovitch
-Moritz Kock, 54; German, from Potsdam; architect
-Giovanni Battista Lenzi, Trentino area, Italy
-Leonardo Pereira Leite, Brazilian
-Li Mingwen, 44, Chinese; deputy general manager of Benxi Iron & Steel based in China’s northeastern Liaoning Province
-Jean Claude Lozouet, Brazilian
-Zoran Markovic, 45; Croatian, from Kostelji, Croatia; sailor
-Jose Gregorio Marques, Brazilian
-Maria Teresa Marques, Brazilian
-Nelson Marinho, Brazilian
-Carlos Mateus, Brazilian
-Gustavo Mattos, Brazilian
-Marco Antonio Camargos Mendonca, 44, Brazilian, worked for Vale SA mining company
-Luis Claudio Monlevad, Brazilian
-Tadeu Moraes, Brazilian
-Eduardo Moreno, Brazilian
-Marcelo Oliveira, Brazilian
-Christine Pieraerts; French; engineer at Michelin
-David Robert, 37; French; co-pilot of AF447
-Bruno Pelajo, Brazilian
-Marcela Pellizzon, Brazilian
-Ferdinand Porcard, Brazilian
-Sonia Maria Cordeiro Porcaro, Brazilian
-Deise Possamai, Brazilian
-Luciana Seba, Brazilian
-Shen Zuobing, about 40, Chinese; former material section chief, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Ana Carolina Silva, Brazilian
-Angela Cristina de Oliveira Silva, Brazilian
-Joao Marques Silva, Brazilian
-Jose Souza, Brazilian
-Adriana Sluijs, Brazilian
-Sun Lianyou, 49, Chinese; director of smelting plant, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Rita Szarvas; Hungarian; therapist at a Budapest center for children with motor disabilities. Her 7-year-old son was also aboard, but his name was not released.
-Maria Vale, Brazilian
-Francisco Vale, Brazilian
-Paulo Vale, Brazilian
-Eithne Walls, 29; Irish; doctor
-Solu Wellington Vieira de Sa, Brazilian
-Xiao Xiang, 35, Chinese; associate research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing
-Rino Zandonai; Trentino area, Italy.
-Christiane Zeuthen; Danish
-Zhang Qingbo, 54, Chinese; manufacturing department head, Benxi Iron & Steel
-Luigi Zortea; Trentino area, Italy.

only around 80 names on this list but the most complete I found so far http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090...+passenger+list

[hilly7]

Key Figures in Global Battle Against Illegal Arms Trade Lost in Air France Crash
June 8th, 2009

Via: Sunday Herald:

Argentine campaigner Pablo Dreyfus and Swiss colleague Ronald Dreyer battled South American arms and drug trafficking.

AMID THE media frenzy and speculation over the disappearance of Air France’s ill-fated Flight 447, the loss of two of the world’s most prominent figures in the war on the illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking has been virtually overlooked.

Pablo Dreyfus, a 39-year-old Argentine who was travelling with his wife Ana Carolina Rodrigues aboard the doomed flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris, had worked tirelessly with the Brazilian authorities to stem the flow of arms and ammunition that for years has fuelled the bloody turf wars waged by drug gangs in Rio’s sprawling favelas.

Also travelling with Dreyfus on the doomed flight was his friend and colleague Ronald Dreyer, a Swiss diplomat and co-ordinator of the Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence who had worked with UN missions in El Salvador, Mozambique, Azerbaijan, Kosovo and Angola. Both men were consultants at the Small Arms Survey, an independent think tank based at Geneva’s Graduate Institute of International Studies. The Survey said on its website that Dryer had helped mobilise the support of more than 100 countries to the cause of disarmament and development.
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Buenos Aires-born Dreyfus had been living in Rio since 2002, where he and his sociologist wife worked with the Brazilian NGO Viva Rio.

“Pablo will be remembered as a gentle and sensitive man with an upbeat sense of humour,” said the Small Arms Survey. “He displayed an intellectual curiosity and a determined work ethic that excited and enthused all who worked with him.”

According to the International Action Network on Small Arms Control (IANSA), Dreyfus’s work was instrumental in the introduction of landmark small arms legislation in Brazil in 2003. Under this legislation, an online link was created between army and police databases listing production, imports and exports of arms and ammunition in Brazil.

Dreyfus was an advocate of the stringent labelling of ammunition by weapons firms, arguing that by clearly identifying ammunition not only by its producer but also its purchaser, the likelihood of weapons being sourced by criminals from corrupt police or armed forces personnel is greatly reduced.

Though a Brazilian referendum on the right to bear arms was rejected in 2005, Viva Rio says the campaign should be considered a success because half a million weapons were voluntarily handed in to the authorities. Anti-gun activists put the referendum defeat down to fears criminals would circumvent the law and continue to gain access to small arms the usual way - through Paraguay and other bordering countries. This was not an irrational fear: until 2004, when Paraguay bowed to Brazilian pressure, even foreign tourists were allowed to purchase small arms simply by presenting a photocopy of their identity card. Dreyfus knew that many of the weapons from the so-called tri-border area between Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina were reaching Rio drug gangs.

When unidentified gunmen made off with a stash of hand grenades from an Argentine military garrison in 2006, Dreyfus deplored what he said was lax security at military depots across the world. “If a supermarket can keep control of the amount of peas it has in stock, surely a military organisation could and should be able to do the same with equal if not greater efficiency with its weapons,” he said. “The key words are logisitics, control, security.”

When Rio agents smashed a cell of drug traffickers who had sourced their weapons from the tri-border area, Dreyfus noted its leaders were prominent businessmen living in apartments in the plush Rio suburbs of Ipanema and São Corrado, “not in the favelas”.

In a recent report posted on the Brazilian website Comunidade Segura (Safe Community), Dreyfus noted that the Brazilian arms firm CBC (Companhia Brasileira de Cartuchos) had become one of the world’s biggest ammunition producers by purchasing Germany’s Metallwerk Elisenhutte Nassau (MEN) in 2007, and Sellier & Bellot (S&B) of the Czech Republic in March. This would not be particularly noteworthy but for the fact that CBC’s exports had tapered off in recent years due to legislation restricting exports to Paraguay, arms that often found their way back into Brazil and on to the Rio drug gangs - the “boomerang effect”, as Dreyfus called it. “The commercial export of weapons and ammunition from Brazil to the bordering countries stopped in 2001,” wrote Dreyfus. “CBC lost commercial markets in Latin America, but Brazil won in public security.”

However, manufacturers from other countries had moved in to fill the void, and before its purchase by CBC, S&B was already “one of the marks most currently apprehended” by Brazilian police. Dreyfus said that, in view of the fact the Czech Republic was bound by the EU Code of Conduct on weapons exports - which states that EU countries must “evaluate the existence of the risk that the armament can be diverted to undesirable final destinations”, CBC should “consider the risk that some of these exports end up, via diversions, feeding violence in Brazil”.

Though his focus was on Latin America, Dreyfus also advised the government of Mozambique and at the time of his death was preparing to do the same for the government of Angola, where stockpiles of weapons left over from the civil war continue to pose a security problem.

Dreyfus and Dreyer were on their way to Geneva to present the latest edition of the Small Arms Survey handbook, of which Dreyfus was a joint editor. It was to have been their latest step in their relentless fight against evil.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=9031

[Shinobi]

Ahhh ... thankyou Hilly Sir ... I havent stopped checking it out myself
glad someone like yourself bothered to make the 'vital' post tho:)
Thanks man !

[rsol]

ive heard reports of a missile being fired at it. anyone heard this one? also of a Brazilian prince being on the plane as well as a few other big cheeses.

[Krise]

There were 6 chinese steal company CEOs on board that were about to set up a major iron ore deal in Brazil. THe deal blow after the plane crash. Somebody doesn't want the chinese to get raw material for their armament... check out the latest A View From Space on the CC-tracker for more details.

[hilly7]

Quote:Ahhh ... thankyou Hilly Sir ... I havent stopped checking it out myself
glad someone like yourself bothered to make the 'vital' post tho:)
Thanks man !

Your welcome.

[rsol]

Quote:There were 6 chinese steal company CEOs on board that were about to set up a major iron ore deal in Brazil. THe deal blow after the plane crash. Somebody doesn't want the chinese to get raw material for their armament... check out the latest A View From Space on the CC-tracker for more details.

im not sure how that's going to stop the deal as there are more dicks in suits to fill that void. What im saying is. there must be more. to kill 6 execs along side 222 others seems a bit extreme even for the NWO. There must be more. Has anyone any more details of this missile?

more info from the meteorological standpoint explains little in the way of lightning as the plane passed through turbulance. im looking for inocent explanations first here.

http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/

Quote:I received an e-mail (see the comments page) from a scientist affiliated with the NASA TRMM mission indicating that no lightning was detected during a 90-second pass of the system that affected Air France Flight 447. This agrees with evidence from the WWLL sferic lightning network for that date. A review of the literature confirms these findings and suggests that convective systems over the equatorial oceanic regions do indeed exhibit an unusual lack of lightning activity.

judging by this report we can rule out lightning.

Also there is talk of a bomb warning. im not going to give that much thought at present as im still looking into innocent reasoning.

wiki did come up with something interesting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Quote:"1) Malfunctions in the pitot probes on the A320 led the manufacturer to issue a recommendation in September 2007 to change the probes. This recommendation also applies to long-haul aircraft using the same probes and on which a very few incidents of a similar nature had occurred."

The suggestion is that airspeed probes on the craft have a tendency to ice over on the cruise phase. This make for the craft to simply not know how fast it is going. for a pilot to not have feedback on air speed "can" be catastrophic as it could either stall or be flying too fast into turbulence.

This could be enough. who knows. Ill be sticking to this angle for now. Its early days. lets keep looking into this guys.

[Shinobi]

Quote:What im saying is. there must be more. to kill 6 execs along side 222 others seems a bit extreme even for the NWO.

Extreme ? no way man, they dont care about the loss of others lives.. Look at 9-11 & 7-7, lots of people killed.
We could also bring the wars in to this too.:(If they want to take someone out they do not care about collateral
or how many others are going to perish. As long as they get their targets they do not care who gets in the way.
The agents of the NWO aren't people with decent feelings like us, they are spineless evil people who care nothing of life.

[Krise]

Quote:im not sure how that's going to stop the deal as there are more dicks in suits to fill that void.

reasonable thought, but it HAS stopped the deal (now a british based company takes over the iron ore). Looks like the warning was strong enough to intimidate either the buyer or the seller...

I wonder what role the Thyssen-Krupp guy (also steal business) played in that story...

[mastermg]

How fuckin ridiculous is this??

Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31.

Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm.

While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out.

Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil.

It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.

A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L'Express that the link was "highly significant".

Agents are now trying to establish dates of birth for the two dead passengers, and family connections.

There is a possibility the name similarities are simply a "macabre coincidence", the source added, but the revelation is still being "taken very seriously".

France has received numerous threats from Islamic terrorist groups in recent months, especially since French troops were sent to fight in Afghanistan.

Security chiefs have been particularly worried about airborne suicide attacks similar to the ones on the US on September 11, 2001.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-New...200906215300405

[Shinobi]

OHHH of course, they need a spin now since it got out how many on that flight were against the criminal world wide system
just keep in mind, we have info on who those nice people were on that plane, anything else after it now is utter bullshit
ByeBye Murdoch Corporation!

[rsol]

Well im going for simple accident so far. oil slick says no fire. The stabilizer at the back had no carbon on it. it looked like it had been ripped out. If you fly those things too fast they can just rip themselves apart.

Quote:Extreme ? no way man, they dont care about the loss of others lives.. Look at 9-11 & 7-7, lots of people killed.

I agree. when i meant extreme i mean in the sense that this is not being used as an excuse to invade another country. If they wanted these guys dead all they have to do is kill them on the ground. much less risk involved. both 9/11 and 7/7 killed innocents indiscriminately.

If you look at the sources parroting the terrorism line. you have sky and fox. hmm anyone trust a single syllable coming from these guys lips?
even they have had to admit that the "terror suspects" simply share the same names with the passengers onboard.