"jah-bul-on"

[inca]

SouthMan, it seems you're missing the point cos you're not reading. I already explained all these things and said Allah is not a name but a title meaning just "god" equivalent to Hebrew title "elohim" which in past times was "aleim". Jehovah is not a title, is a corruption of real God's name IEVE. Jehovah was Egyptian lunar demon and Jews corrupted their adoration. In Jehovah using Samaritan tradition they added the vowels of Adonai and Eloim and created several versions.

[DoKtAhMaDiZmS]

Best be burning them bibles then eh.

[DoKtAhMaDiZmS]

Thought this discussion might be of some interest
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=54339

[inca]

In that thread they are repeating common errors like saying YHVH or YHWH were epithets of I AM WHAT I AM, saying that's Hebrew and things like that. As I already explained the letter W doesn't even have a name of its own but takes the name of double U (UU) or double V (VV) as used by Anglo Saxons which took from Latin mingled with Barbarian languages. Y is the Greek "ypsilon" just like H was Greek "Eta" which was mute in Latin and is still mute in other languages like in Spanish or Portuguese. Hence all these people who commented should learn something before typing whatever they type. I even mentioned how come the letter Y was really the equivalent of our "I" (not as in wine-swine-mine but as in sit-lick-interesting-flick) and that H was really our E (not as in mean-meat-meet but as in met-let-wet-set). It's also false the pseudo-translation "I am" (as intreprets whoeve writes using nickname I AAAM) cos the form used in revelation was never the equivalent "ani hu" but "eyeh asher eyeh" (ah-eh-ee-eh as sounds in English) which in no case is I Am but I Will Cause Things to Be or I Will be What I Will be (something for His people instead of Someone Who already Is). Burning Bibles is not the answer because even due to the efforts to alter the things, we can discover those errors by reading as we can find in any other document. As I quoted using the same texts within the Bible, it honestly says Jews altered His name and corrupted by worshipping Egyptians demons. The problem is people haven't read the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation to start with and yet dare to write something as if they knew for sure. They haven't compared different versions of the Bible to find out the difficult texts to interpret nor checked the origin of those words whether in Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic, neither check the history related with the ideas, etc, etc, etc. There are others who also talk about Egypt and the link with Hebrew ideas but haven't studied Egypt either a little deeper to check if their pseudo monotheism was in fact similar to Hebrew concept with no images to worship or not. So, people write and talk and it's needed a little wisdom to separate what is right or wrong. It ain't easy I tell ya'.

[lovelyk]

Quote:Best be burning them bibles then eh

Nop. we need to read old, new, banned testaments, Al-Quran, Gita etc. and take the common themes and teachings and shape our life accordingly.

[lovelyk]

Quote:"aleim

I don't know if it was the name or attribute.
See , muslims have a similar name "Aleem' which means "most knowledgable".

I asked one of my friends and he told me that no matter what "attribute" you choose, it is always intended for God. So I can use any.

Also, he told me that Our "names" are also attributes. our "ism" i.e. "name" always stands for something or means something whether we know it or not. This means that names are actually attributes. In case of our names, these are ttributes to the manifestion of God's will in a human form. Each one of us is unique and that suggests that God is exploring himself through his "will" or manifestations.

[lovelyk]

Taken from "Life After Death" - A collection
To prove a point that we are manifestations of God's will

Code:

http://rapidshare.de/files/33877050/LAD1.pdf.html

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Code:

http://www.sharequick.com/368360

<span style="color:#FF0000">LIFE & DEATH

Following is a description given by an Asian mystic in his now very rare book. Here are some excerpts quoted in another hard to find book.
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… So is the case of souls. <span style="color:#FF0000">Each soul is present in the universal soul like an atom. When absolute Light (God) wants a soul to be born, He looks at her with His life-enriched light and this spiritual atom is elongated into a beam of light and starts to travel towards denser worlds.

… At that point, the soul has an awareness of its “being”. This awareness is weak. It is called an “EGO”.

… R<span style="color:#FF0000">emember that the destiny of each and every soul is hidden inside of it like a seed has the destiny [or program -- MC] of a full-grown tree.

… If the soul belongs to hell, it reaches at NASOOT or if the soul belongs to paradise, it reaches at a level, which is her CENTER OF MAHMUD. The soul stays there for a while… In reality, the soul gets its spiritual body there. Then the soul passes through other worlds. After passing through NASOOT, the soul enters into “ETHER” which is the lightest [lowest density –MC] and final form of the matter. The soul absorbs five senses and other material abilities as per its capacity and reaches the sun of a solar system. There she absorbs the heat of animal soul and reaches in whatever the planet it is destined for. Now this soul is entered into food according to the rules of the nature and this food is fed to the parents.

… After passing the time in this world, the soul goes back to its Center of MAHMUD.

… <span style="color:#FF0000">The important thing to note is that this beam of light (soul) from its start to end (sperm) passes through different levels of densities. It becomes densest in the shape of human body.

… THE WORLD OF ARAF

As we have described earlier, the world next to our physical world is NASOOT or hell-worlds. According to our research, there are 72 levels in hell-world. In some of the levels are deserts, wilderness, burnt dry mountains, horrible forests, falls and lakes of very hot water, volcanoes, and valleys of fire. There’s no drinking water around and if found, it is too hot and bitter in taste…

… After these levels there are some better ones. Little bit cold water, a little greenery, and better forests and places. After that each levels becomes better in quality. The 72nd level is the best of them all but is less than the first level of paradise. This level is called ARAF.

… Then there’s a wall. The same as mentioned in Chapter Al-HADEED, Verse 13 [Al-Quran – MC] then are the worlds of paradise. First world is called MALKOOT

… The difference in ARAF and MALKOOT is that in MALKOOT, the quality of life is better and available without any hard work. In ARAF, all the things are of inferior quality and can be achieved with work. The second difference is that people of ARAF becomes jealous by looking at a better life available to the others. They burn from inside and feel sorry for themselves. This sorrow is infact their punishment. In MALKOOT everyone’s happy and doing his own thing.

… There are 36 levels of MALKOOT. Each and every level becomes better and lighter in density. After this, is the WORLD OF JABROOT and the WORLD OF LAHOOT. These worlds are composed of 18 levels each. Each upper level is better than the lower in construction, richness, width, might, greenery, beauty and delicacy…

… After that is the WORLD OF HAHOOT. There are 14 levels in it and its first level is so light in density that even highly knowledgeable lightest souls can only see this world in a blurred form. Other levels are even less dense and can be seen as figures. In the 14th level, no shapes and forms can be seen. Only a world without forms and shapes. Roomi once said “A shape comes out of nothingness, then diffused into nothingness. Behold everything has to return to God”. In this world of no shapes, live the souls of Prophets of God who reached their Nirvana and are perfect now. After this is the WORLD OF HOO. After that it is not possible to differentiate in levels.

… <span style="color:#FF0000">These are the grounds filled with Lights of God and there’s nothing else. In these lights are different kind of pleasures and emotions.

…The WORLD OF HOO is the home of those people who in their earthly lives, lived according to the commandments of God and disconnected their SELF from the material world.

…In reality, the levels of Paradise end up at the WORLD OF LAHOOT. The WORLD OF HAHOOT and HOO are not the levels of paradise but are the spiritual form of the paradise.

… <span style="color:#FF0000">It should be understood by now that human soul is like a beam of light. One end of this beam is connected into Universal Soul [God? – MC] and the other end is in human body. It is mentioned in Chapter Hood that there is no such living being who is not in the grasp of God through his head.

… Now we tell you the properties of a soul. This is very important yet hard to explain…

… Let’s assume “A” is the point of connection to the universal soul and “C” is the point of connection to the human body. As explained earlier, between point A and C is the soul’s destination or Center of Mahmud. The point, where a soul gets its astral body. Let’s say it is point “B”. Now we explain how the journey of return is conducted…

… Though we understand that except highly knowledgeable scholars & intellectuals, no one can fully understand, however, whatever is being written is to spread the knowledge and as a food-for-thought…

… <span style="color:#FF0000">Soul is a beam. This beam sustains itself from point A-C till the time of the death of a person. Nothing can disconnect or interrupt this beam…

… Anyway, this beam is so flexible and fast that when humans move, it is still connected with the body no matter what the speed is and no matter what the mode of the movement is…

… From point A-B and B-C, there exists an astral body in every particle of this beam. The difference is that from point C to B and B to A, every astral body is less in density and becomes lighter and lighter as we go up…

… In reality, there are infinite no. of astral bodies of a single soul. It is very difficult to explain in words. Maybe following example can explain it somehow.

Imagine a cinema hall. On one end is the operator’s room. In this room is the machinery and the movie. There’s a hole in front of the machinery [projector – MC] Operator starts the machinery, the light Illuminize a picture and this picture travels along with the beam of light towards the screen. And we can see it on the screen.

Let’s assume the film is the universal Soul; the picture that was sent along with light is the soul. The light itself is the light of God, or will of God. The space in between the surface of the film and the screen are the worlds of Purgatory. The screen is our physical reality. Now answer this question. Is there any space in between the surface of the film and the screen, where picture on the film is not present? Also answer if there’s one body or infinite numbers of bodies? …

…DEATH & BEYOND

… When the time comes for a soul to move on, the Point A pulls Point B and Point B pulls Point C. The natural requirement of this process is that the beam from B to C can be pulled to point B, which is the center of Mahmud. But this doesn’t happen always. The point C feels a shock (the death shock) and the human body is disconnected from the beam as it is the densest of the bodies….


… Now as the physical body is detached, the astral body next to the point of connection “C” takes the place of physical body. Being lighter, this beam contracts and reaches the first level of the world of Nasoot. If the spiritual body is very heavy and unable to fly, it remains there. The lighter the spiritual body is, the faster it travels through the realms of hell. If all the bodies of the beam are lighter, they merges into each other and becomes one single body. This way, the hell worlds are crossed. Similarly if the particles [astral bodies] of the beam in the worlds of Paradise are lighter, the beam travels towards its point B and passes through the Malkoot, Jabroot, and Lahoot or beyond till it reaches its point of Mahmud.

This is the end of the journey of a soul till the day of Judgment.

[inca]

I think the theme has already changed and hence I won't continue too long. The original thread was about Jah-Bul-On and not Asian thing. It's true even our names do have an origin and can be considered attributes and yet the topic is about God's name instead of title. I don't think a discussion about the difference between title or atribute will do anything but desintegrate what we're discussing here. I already said the name and the meaning and the false meanings as well.
In this kabbalistic design for example, you can see the Hebrew letters of the tetragramaton set as a mimic of human image and compared with Asian scripture:

http://fotolog.terra.com/detodounpoco:23

You can see in the explanatory words of those designs they change the Y for the I but the deception of using H (he) remains although the Jews like Stan Tenan know for sure that's an E:
http://www.meru.org/letteressays/heh.html#Meaning
http://www.meru.org/letteressays/yod.html#Meaning
I explained that's why whenever they want they switch the "yod" as a name of the letter that other times they write as "<span style="color:#CC33CC">iod" beginning with the "I". As a matter of fact even the name of that letter was altered cos they added a non-existing vowel O for that letter. The name was "ived" (pronounced ee-ved in English) as taken from Paleo-Hebrew Phoenician language.
I think I also said -somewhere- the translation of this IEVE name exists in different lands including China and Peru or Bolivia and just like IEVE is also a Tetractys Pythagorean pyramid related to number 72, it's also true that sound in Incas realms is also a kind of pyramid. It's associated with laws including the 4 elements.

[inca]

Therefore, Hebrew, Hindu scripture or Chinese and Inca's Quechua reveal the same truth. The discussion about soul being a laser beam (sort of thing) deserves another thread.

[lovelyk]

yes. you are right.
its getting away from the subject.
Anyway, this discussion is also reaching its natural end.

I do have learned new things from you. Thanks for all the info and links. Your knowledge is amazing.

As for name of God, i summarise that IEVE, aloeim, elo, ela, ellah, alla, allah stands for the same God and i can call him with any name. Its my intention of worship that carries the energy of the worship to God, no matter with what name i call him with.

[inca]

From all those titles meaning "god" (powerful) which in the Bible are also used to false gods, Almighty Himself, Satan as god of the system/century (aion in Greek different from "world" kosmos) and even Moses being a "god" to Egyptian pharaoh in Exodus 7:1, 2 (check please).... in my meditations or mantrams I use IEVE ALEIM which unificates Hebrew, Paleo-Hebrew, Aramaic and even Egyptian. It's interesting even Hindu mystic like Osho (Rahnesh) did these considerations about God's secret name utterance and applied correctly to the interpretation of the LOGOS/VERB being with God. He suggests to have it hidden in you to let it grow like a mustard seed and not abuse the name. It needs to flourish from within. When you say AMEN which is equivalent to Sanscrit AUM better than OM, it's interesting that mantram is linked to Christ as being his name in Revelations 3:14 suggesting the Logos/Word/Verb started the creation whether in a <span style="color:#CC33CC">Big Bang or Hebrew concept: God's Big Crunch called tsim tsum. The physicists are not convinced there was a series of universes stretching in Big Bang repetitive expansions and then collapsing because of entropy explanations, etc. For that reason I don't tend to believe the Hindu explanation of Brahma's Big Day and Night expanding and shrinking his body and with him the universe although interesting idea.
Having said that I will withdraw. Thanks for your words.

[DoKtAhMaDiZmS]

You need to start making your own documentaries inca

[Seithan]

Quote:You need to start making your own documentaries inca

Sorry to go off topic ... but yes he should:)would love to hear inca on C2C or red ice radio:)

[DoKtAhMaDiZmS]

He is pumped full of knowledge and information, I wish I could just hook a cable up and plug it in to an inca:)

[lovelyk]

Quote:Osho (Rahnesh)

I don't believe this guy. He was a NWO stooge.
For them, he was the Right guy at the right time and at the right places.

Quote:I don't tend to believe the Hindu explanation of ... the universe although interesting idea

:)Niether do I

Quote:I will withdraw

I didn't mean that. There was not enough ppl posting so i thought that we've reached the end point.