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Separation Of Church And State Illusion
09-24-2006, 07:02 AM
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Separation Of Church And State Illusion
US people should realize clearly that the politicians have established a state religion for the USA; its called the church of satan :DToday this should be clearly seen :P
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09-24-2006, 07:10 PM
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Quote:US people should realize clearly that the politicians have established a state religion for the USA; its called the church of satan :DToday this should be clearly seen :P

I would argue that it's not just the politicians but many of the people of the U.S.

This article below supports your argument and than some. Old material but relevant nonetheless:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1139.cfm

Excerpt:

WHAT THIS REVEALS ABOUT THE TRUE NATURE OF AMERICANS TODAY

How did we get to this place, where just 40 years ago, the average man and woman would not have felt this way; they would not have let the President off the hook in this manner; and they held to a public standard of morality that ascribed to the Christian value system, even if they were not devout Christians themselves? The answer is both simple and profound.

Especially since World War II, Americans have been silently, daily, consistently subjected to an insidious plan of action that changes attitudes and values on any subject, and does so invisibly, gradually, and from within, so that, once the person's values and attitudes have been changed in the manner desired, that person believes they arrived at that change on their own! They will defend their value system to the hilt, believing the value is their own, not realizing for a moment that they had been cleverly manipulated to get to that point. In fact, if they are told of this manipulation, they will likely get very angry with you for even suggesting that they could be subject to such manipulation. Besides, they feel within their heart that they, and they alone, are responsible for arriving at this particular value or attitude. People always defend the most vigorously that which they perceive to be their own.

This system of values change is called the "Six Step Attitudinal Change Plan", and it has been successfully used since World War II to invisibly and silently move the majority of American citizens from a Christian based values system to a Satanic based values system. Believe me, this attitude toward sex, expressed in action by President Clinton, and supported by many Americans, is Satanically based, as we will demonstrate at the end of this article.

How does this "Six Step Attitudinal Change Plan" work?

Step 1. Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum.

Step 2. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged.

Step 3. But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate.

Step 4. In the process, sheer repetition of the shocking subject under discussion gradually dulling its effect.

Step 5. People then are no longer shocked by the subject.

Step 6. No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.

[We encourage you to read NEWS1052 for a complete and through discussion of the many ways in which this attitudinal change plan is being utilized in America today, to get us as far away from the values of Christianity as possible, and prepare us for the full acceptance of the Satanic values which Antichrist will espouse.]

In this situation, at hand, the "practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public" is the concept that Christian values toward marriage and sex are no longer valued and do not need to be followed any more. In the early 1950's, this was not the attitude of most Americans, at least in public.

However, by the late 1950's, many people were beginning to advocate the non-Christian values system, that sex outside marriage was all right and that people need not be married any more. Country & Western Music certainly advocated this position, as did Elvis Presley when he broke upon the scene. Other entertainers immediately followed suit, and soon radio airwaves were filled with this type of immorality.

Then, in 1960, we elected the first President who blatantly flaunted his sexual desires and activities, although he did not do it as publicly as Clinton is now doing it! President Kennedy was rumored to have had many affairs before he was elected, and the rumors were flying while he was serving as President. In the past few years, many authors have linked him with many more sexual liaisons than we would have ever believed. If you have not read the informative book, "The Dark Side of Camelot", by Seymour M. Hersh, we encourage you to do so.

The important thing to grasp is that the combined efforts of Elvis Presley and other like entertainers, and President Kennedy, to demonstrate this new non-Christian immorality, exactly fulfilled Step 1, because their positions were RESPECTED and they were personally RESPECTED. Many young Americans felt that, if their public idol felt that Christian values were "old-fashioned" or "boring", or "irrelevant", then so did they.

Step 2 was fulfilled as many older Americans, from parents to pastors and priests, to certain educators, and to many incumbent government officials, reacted very negatively to this new immorality described above. Many lectures were given individually, and many public speeches were presented to convince young Americans to refuse to follow this new immorality.

Step 3 followed almost immediately. Many persons, both in the press and in Entertainment, began to argue that the "older" group described in Step 2, above, should not "force" their morality on others. Thus, it became very fashionable to "publicly discuss" this new immorality.

Step 4 is the natural result of the combination of Steps 2 and 3. The reaction against the new morality of the people mentioned in Step 2 met the advocacy of people in Step 3, resulting in a huge battle for the morality and minds of our young people. Novels and books were written, songs were written and sung, TV and movies were produced [most of which supported the new immorality], resulting in the battle which provided the "sheer repetition" called for in Step 4. As more and more people were exposed to the subject, more and more of them felt more comfortable with the new immorality, and more and more of them practiced it and felt great doing it!

Then, in the mid-1960's, the battle was lost. The Beatles broke upon the scene, glorifying sex and drugs and Eastern Mystical Religions. Many young people joined the burgeoning anti-Vietnam War group, in spirit if not on the picket lines, and many other entertainers became more bold in advocating the new immorality. Rock Music changed in the early 1970's, to more explicit sex and overt Satanism. Steps 5 and 6 followed very rapidly.

Today, three decades later, we have had this process complete its cycle. Today, we have more sex and adultery portrayed in TV, movies, novels, and in the lifestyles of the Rich, Famous, and Hollywood, than ever before. Today, the great majority of Americans also subscribe to this immorality. Today, we elect and reelect a man as President who is a great practitioner of sex outside of marriage, a man who does it too obviously and too boldly.

And, he gets away with it, simply because too many Americans feel too comfortable with his value system. In fact, Clinton's value system IS the value system of a majority of Americans today.

MORALITY REQUIRES A STANDARD

Let us define "moral" for a clearer understanding of this issue. Turning to my Webster's Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary, I find these definitions: 1) "Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action; 2) Designed to teach goodness or correctness of character or behavior; instructive as to what is good or bad; 3) Being or acting in accordance with standards and precepts of goodness or with established codes of behavior, especially with regard to sexual conduct".

This definition is a mighty fine definition, but notice that it does NOT include the precise standard to which "judgments" are to be referred in this area of morality, especially with regard to sexual conduct! What is the standard by which anyone can judge whether their actions are "right or wrong", "good or bad", "moral or immoral"? Morality is inherently a spiritual decision! Immorality is inherently rebellion against the established religion.

In American history, what has historically been the standard by which the vast majority of people judged whether actions were moral, right, or good? Or, whether actions were immoral, wrong, or bad? Historians will agree that the Judeo-Christian Holy Bible has been that standard. Let us review the Biblical mandate on matters of sexual morality.

<span style="color:#33CCFF">GOD'S STANDARD -- THE HOLY BIBLE

In Genesis 1:27, God created Adam and Eve in His own spiritual, mental, and emotional image thereby forming the first union between man and woman. God brought them into an intimate relationship and blessed them, as we can see in Genesis 2:23-25. This union was mankind's first marriage, and the Person Who married them was none other than God. Verses 24-25 give us the picture of sexual relations between Adam and Eve. God's intention is for sexual union to be expressed exclusively within the unique monogamous relationship of marriage. Human sexuality (Gen. 1:27) and sexual union within marriage (Gen. 2:24) were part of God's good creation. Sexual union is for procreation (Gen. 1:28) and also for expressing love within the oneness of marriage (Gen. 2:24; Prov. 5:15-19; 1 Cor. 7:2-5). Although polygamy was practiced by some Old Testament personalities, monogamy was always God's ideal for humanity (Matt. 19:4-5). The New Testament clearly teaches monogamy (1 Cor. 7:2). Adultery is a violation of the commitment inherent in marriage (Ex. 20:14; 1 Thess. 4:2-3; Heb. 13:4). So is any sexual intercourse that does not express the oneness of marriage (1 Cor. 6:12-20). The biblical condemnation of adultery covers such things as communal marriage, mate swapping, and the so-called open marriage.

This is the Biblical standard for sex. Sex is to be reserved for the marriage contract. Sex outside of the marriage contract is forbidden, and is considered immoral, bad, and improper conduct. This is God's standard, and until recently, American society upheld this standard. By this standard, activities such as we have seen from Clinton, having sex outside the marriage with Hillary, is immoral, bad, and improper.

SATAN'S STANDARD -- THE SATANIC BIBLE

But, there is another standard, advocated by God's adversary, Satan. Satan has always wanted people to act in rebellion against God's commandments. In fact, Satanism has always advocated a complete set of rules of conduct that are opposite of Christian, or Biblical values. Earlier, I stated that Clinton's actions constitute Satanism; at this point, many people will roll their eyes upward in the head, sigh, and accuse me of being stupid, ill-informed, or a religious radical for saying such a thing. Why would they feel this way? Because they have not studied the hard, cold facts. Plus, they would naturally resist accepting such a position, because they might be challenged to change their own behavior!

Satanism is not just nasty, evil people meeting in the middle of a night in which the moon is full, chanting spells, and sacrificing animals or humans. At its foundation, Satanism is a system of morality that is the opposite of Biblical teaching. Let us examine this value system of Satanism more closely now, quoting from an authoritative source, Anton LaVey's "Satanic Bible". Listen to him describe Satanic values, as they relate to sexual conduct.

* "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence" [Page 25]

* "Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse, than those that walk on all-fours ..." [Page 25; NOTE: This is New Age, and Modern, teaching today. As this teaching becomes more prevalent, sexual rules will disappear, just as we expect no sexual rules from dogs in heat]

* "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!" [Page 25; Emphasis added]

* "No creed must be accepted upon authority of a 'divine' nature ... No moral dogma must be taken for granted -- no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing sacred about moral codes." [Page 31; indeed, when Satanism reaches full force, all laws regarding sexual activity will be abolished]

* "Are we not all predatory animals by instinct? If humans ceased wholly from preying upon each other, could they continue to exist? Is not 'lust and carnal desire' a more truthful term to describe 'love' when applied to the continuance of the race? Is not the 'love' of the fawning scriptures simply a euphemism for sexual activity ...?" [Page 33; NOTE: When President Clinton acts like a sexual predator, backed by the power and prestige of his Presidency, we should not be shocked; he is acting as any Satanist would act when he feels the lust! Moms and Dads should understand that any of their young daughters are just "fair game" for this type of predator, just "steaks on the table". At this point, I feel it necessary to point out what I am NOT saying. I am not saying President Clinton is a practicing witch, or that he is actually involved in active witchcraft. What I am saying is that his behaviors and attitudes square exactly with that of a Satanist, as do the values and attitudes of too many Americans today.]

* "Life is the great indulgence -- death, the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life -- HERE AND NOW!" [Page 33]

* "The angel of self-deceit is camped in the souls of the 'righteous' -- the eternal flame of power through joy dwelleth within the flesh of the Satanist!" [Page 35; I can imagine that this is Clinton's attitude within his heart of hearts. He despises the Christian morality and just cannot wait until the day he can openly act out these Satanic values, as here expressed]

* "The seven deadly sins of the Christian Church are: greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth. Satanism advocates indulging in each of these 'sins', as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification." [Page 46; NOTE: Haven't we just described the total American nation today, as too many Americans indulge in these types of behavior? Clinton cannot be criticized for just following his indulgent nature, according to the Satanist!]

* "Satanism represents a form of controlled selfishness". [Page 51; NOTE: This REALLY describes Clinton's sexual predatory nature, doesn't it?]

* "Satanism is not a white light religion; it is a religion of the flesh, the mundane, the carnal -- all of which are ruled by Satan, the personification of the Left Hand Path." [Page 52; NOTE: Clinton seems to be strictly following a "religion of the flesh", doesn't he?]

* "You should act upon your natural instincts, and then, if you cannot perform without feeling guilty, revel in your guilt." [Page 53; certainly, Clinton is reveling in his "natural instincts", just as any good Satanist would do]

* "Free love, in the Satanic concept, means exactly that -- freedom to either be faithful to one person or to indulge your sexual desires with as many others as you feel it necessary to satisfy your particular needs." [Page 66; NOTE: now, we know why Clinton keeps having sex with partners other than Hillary. He is simply practicing Satanic "Free Love"!]

* "Satanism does not encourage orgiastic activity or extramarital affairs for those to whom they do not come naturally, For many, it would be very unnatural and detrimental to be unfaithful to their chosen mates. To others, it would be frustrating to be bound sexually to just one person. Each person must decide for himself what form of sexual activity best suits his individual needs." [Page 66]

* "The Satanist realizes that if he is to be a sexual connoisseur (and truly free from sexual guilt) he cannot be stifled by the so-called sexual revolutionists any more than he can by the prudery of his guilt-ridden society ..." [Page 67; obviously, Clinton thinks of himself as a "sexual connoisseur" and he refuses to be bound by any of the sexual values of a "prudent", "guilt-ridden" American society]

* "Satanism condones any type of sexual activity which properly satisfies your individual desires -- be it heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or even asexual, if you choose." [Page 67]

* "Satanism also sanctions any fetish or deviation which will enhance your sex life ... The prevalence of deviant and/or fetishistic behavior in our society would stagger the imagination of the sexually naive. There are more sexual variants than the unenlightened individual can perceive: transvestitism, sadism, masochism, urolagnia, exhibitionism -- to name only a few of the more predominant." [Pages 67-68; this staggering statement was written in 1966, and we have come a long way further down the path to Satanism in these past 30 years!]

* "Proper sexual conduct can only be judged within the context of each individual situation." [Page 70; NOTE: This "Situational Ethics" is being taught in Public Schools today!]

* "It is unfortunate, but true, that the sexual guilts of parents will immutably be passed on to their children. In order to save our children from the ill-fated destiny of our parents, grandparents, and possibly ourselves, the perverted moral code of the past must be exposed for what it is: a pragmatically organized set of rules which, if rigidly obeyed, would destroy us!" [Page 74; NOTE: no President has ever spoken more "compassionately", more "caringly" about children and their welfare, than has Clinton! Perhaps he is saving our children by forcing society to accept more and more of the Satanic code or moral conduct! But, more ominously, this is precisely the justification New Agers use to create laws snatching children from Christian parents, on the basis of "protecting" our children from our "abusive" Christian religion! We must pray God's Hedge of Protection around our precious children, and pray that Jesus Christ takes them in the Rapture!]

* "The most simplified description of the Satanic belief is: INDULGENCE INSTEAD OF ABSTINENT" ... By making something taboo, it only serves to intensify the desire ..." LaVey then goes to great lengths to argue that most rules should be abolished. Is this why we see such a drive to legalize prostitution? [Page 81]

* "Man, the animal, is the godhead to the Satanist." [Page 89] All Satanists worship themselves. But, isn't that what 2 Timothy 3:1-2, 3. 4, says? Listen. "But understand this, that in the last days will come perilous times of great stress and trouble, hard to deal with and hard to bear. For people will be lovers of self and utterly self-centered, lovers of money ... proud and arrogant and contemptuous boasters ... unholy and profane. They will be without natural human affection, relentless, slanderers, loose in morals and conduct, uncontrolled ... lovers of sensual pleasures and vain amusements more than and rather than lovers of God." [Emphasis added]

I think you have gotten the point by now. America has changed her formerly Christian values to Satanic ones, without any one understanding what has happened. But, now that you know, can you see that President Clinton is merely acting out in his life, in his body, the normal inclinations for any good Satanist? And, can you see that those people who think what he is doing is "normal", or who excuse it in any way, or who express their desire to sleep with the President, are also subscribing to Satanism?

In Seminar 1, we go to great lengths to show you all the logical, Biblical consequences that would naturally occur as a result of America adopting a Satanic National Foundation. We also show that all these consequences parallel Biblical prophecy for the world under Antichrist.

Speaking of Antichrist, we are told that he will be a practicing Satanist [Daniel 8:23-24]. Therefore, we understand the New Age statement that Antichrist "cannot arise until and unless a significant minority of people are preconditioned to accept him". I submit that the major part of accepting Antichrist is to precondition people to accept the Satanic values which undergird him.

As we said before, Satanism is much more than being hooded in a coven during a Full Moon ceremony. Satanism is encouraging indulgence in all matters of the flesh, as we have already shown. Once you understand the truth that today's America is encouraging indulgence in all matters of the flesh, you will understand that we are already prepared to accept Antichrist. Now, we can understand the sentiment uttered above, by a college senior, that the "President's sex life is none of our business", or that sentiment uttered by another, who said that the President's sex life is "irrelevant to performing his job". What this tells you is that these people have the same Satanic personal values as does President Clinton. Since so many Americans apparently share this value system, the "sheep are ready to shear", i.e., the American people are ready to be enslaved under Antichrist.

This condition is made much more important when you understand that many other indicators of the soon appearance of the Antichrist are primed to occur. Therefore, we should expect that the final push might be made to fully swing the hearts of many people to the side of Satanism, with the President leading the charge. But, while the President may be in charge of the current conditioning campaign, rest assured that he will be using the tenants of the Six Step Attitudinal Change Plan.

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09-24-2006, 07:43 PM
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I would have to agree with Rockclimber 100%

Seriously, I am certain that the church of satan would not mind displaying the cross... so long as it is "inverted" as the catholic church has done in recent times.

The church of satan at this time is debating that torture is ok... in particular child rape. Of course, child sacrifice is an ancient practice obviously condemned in modern times, but why not make it legitimate ... for "national security" reasons. If an average so-called christian can stomach that idea and accept it, what other deviant behavior could be planted in the minds of brain-dead christians.

Sure, the christian left really wanted to get rid of the constitution and bill of rights and setup an autocracy like say the church of Pat Robertson or someone like that, to have the federal government force "its" will on the states, but the problem is that there are others who want to get rid of the constitution and bill of rights also. And, these people really do have money and power. Who really is out-smarting who?

Take my word for it, that once freedom of speech is taken away, you will never be allowed to talk morality again as we are today. Really who do you think is going to be in power? Not the christian left. Your are dreaming and delusional.

If you sleep with wolves, you will be eaten. If you play with snakes, you will be bitten. If you play with fire you will be burned. If you eat with pigs, you will become pigs or swine. Do these ancient sayings have any meaning anymore? THE WARNING: wolves in sheep clothing. Does that mean anything anymore to brain dead christians? Who knows?

Do not you think that the warning of predators on the hunt should cause people to be on guard and question everything? But, the image of the sheep going to the slaughter is why the image of sheep was used in the first place.

Well, so-called sheep who wish to use federal force probably are already contaminated if not posers.
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09-24-2006, 08:02 PM
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I don't know enough to comment fully, so I'll be back after I do some research and thinking.

But I do feel the need to comment now on the the two sources that are cited, The Bible (pro) and The Satanic Bible (con). Seems to me that the God book has a little more history than the Satan book, so using each as they are of equal merit doesn't work for me.

And from a dialectic approach, I think both sides are guilty of passing fallacies off as truths.




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09-24-2006, 09:15 PM
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Hi Stillsearching,

I agree that the Judeo-Christian book or Satan book are unequal. However, if so-called pious religious folks are looking for a state religion in order to order to use the Federal force over the states, then there are many religions here that could fill the position. For instance, the Babylonian Talmud folks aka Pharasees would be good candidates, but I think that the Babylonian Talmud also has ancient practices on child sacrifice ... if I am not mistaken. But, concerning the church of satan, I think they lead the pack in money and power, and are in fact the state church.:rolleyes:
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09-25-2006, 11:01 AM
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Quote:Seriously, I am certain that the church of satan would not mind displaying the cross... so long as it is "inverted" as the catholic church has done in recent times.
I'm not defending the Catholic church here but the reason that the papacy displays the cross upside down is that they claim Jesus left Peter in charge of his flock. You know.. "the on this rock".....quote. The Catholic church claims he was the first Pope(Peter) and the beginning of their church. He was supposedly crucified upside down so when you see the Cross upside down (used by the Papacy) it is refeeing to Peters crucifixtion not the crucifixtion of Jesus....IMHO
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09-26-2006, 12:50 AM
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Quote: Seriously, I am certain that the church of satan would not mind displaying the cross... so long as it is "inverted" as the catholic church has done in recent times.
I'm not defending the Catholic church here but the reason that the papacy displays the cross upside down is that they claim Jesus left Peter in charge of his flock. You know.. "the on this rock".....quote. The Catholic church claims he was the first Pope(Peter) and the beginning of their church. He was supposedly crucified upside down so when you see the Cross upside down (used by the Papacy) it is refeeing to Peters crucifixtion not the crucifixtion of Jesus....IMHO

Actually, K. Trout, you are exactly right.

However, there are some who are anti-christian religion who display the inverted cross.
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