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shuffle · 10-03-2006, 12:55 AM

Quote:I have an Al Bielek interview in which he says Schneider told him (the two apparently knew each other) that he's seen tall greys in secret UN meetings...I find that a bit hard to believe.

I'm afraid I've made it a life's mission to inform as many people as possible that Al Bielek is a fraud.

And his discussion of "his buddy" phil schneider after phil's death made that even more clear.

A lot of what P.S. said I think was true... he had a fair bit of stuff backing him up - plus

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?ac...post&id=174

in that John Lear said he's wished he'd taken him more seriously.

shuffle · 10-03-2006, 12:57 AM

Quote:Here you go, guys:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/xcart/sea...ode=search

It's the top one, "His Final Message". It's very good; it includes his classic address to the 2001 Global sciences conference in Denver.

Does not compute.

They are asking for this bizzare gadget called a 'credit card'

:o

Cycle of Eternity · 10-03-2006, 01:15 AM

lol^^

saunatonttu · 10-03-2006, 05:17 AM

Quote:
Quote:I have an Al Bielek interview in which he says Schneider told him (the two apparently knew each other) that he's seen tall greys in secret UN meetings...I find that a bit hard to believe.

I'm afraid I've made it a life's mission to inform as many people as possible that Al Bielek is a fraud.

What lead you to that conclusion?

Quote:in that John Lear said he's wished he'd taken him more seriously.

I always thought John Lear was a disinfo agent...

pizzaman777 · 10-03-2006, 06:09 AM

Well for the record i've always been ineterested in what John Lear has to say. He's one of the few people that post on the internet at a few select forums and he's had nothing but interesting stuff to say. Do I believe 100% ? No. Do I believe a lot? Oh yeah. I haven't seen anyone prove him wrong yet. A lot can't be proven right either, but that doesn't mean he's dis-info...

saunatonttu · 10-03-2006, 06:59 AM

Quote:Well for the record i've always been ineterested in what John Lear has to say. He's one of the few people that post on the internet at a few select forums and he's had nothing but interesting stuff to say. Do I believe 100% ? No. Do I believe a lot? Oh yeah. I haven't seen anyone prove him wrong yet. A lot can't be proven right either, but that doesn't mean he's dis-info...

Where does he post? I'd like to see that.

Cycle of Eternity · 10-03-2006, 02:56 PM

yeh, it'll be ignorant to believe it all 100%.
but when i was watching the Al Bielek lectures, he seemed well informed.

do you think he was interested in all of this but yet
wanted to be part of it so bad he made his story up?

pizzaman777 · 10-03-2006, 04:30 PM

I don't believe Al made the whole story up, but I do think he fabricated it a bit. The Philadelphia Experiment was real. Whether or not it involved him and time travelling, we'll probably never know for sure. And the fact that they can't find his miltary record isn't enough to discredit him. But the fact that he had alot of cd's and underground videos to sell kind of hurts his motives. The reason I like John Lear is that he has never sold a book or "sold" an interview. He just knew and still knows alot of people from this scene.

Cycle of Eternity · 10-03-2006, 05:59 PM

can you tell me where to find the best John Lear material to start out with... sounds good.

pizzaman777 · 10-03-2006, 11:01 PM

Found an interesting article from John Lear HERE

A little bio about him from the above link:

Quote:About the author, John Lear...

A retired airline captain who happens to be the only pilot to hold every FAA airplane certificate. He flew secret missions for the CIA in Central and Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Africa between 1966 and 1983. He has flown as Captain and check pilot for over 10 different airlines.

John held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. He was the youngest American to climb the Matterhorn in Switzerland in 1959 and in the 1970's owned and skippered the Americas Cup boat, the Soliloquy, out of Marina Del Rey.

pizzaman777 · 10-04-2006, 07:42 AM

Another BIG link to John Lear stuff HERE

Haven't read through it yet but will probably start a new thread about it if no one else does...

Keen · 10-04-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:Another BIG link to John Lear stuff HERE

Haven't read through it yet but will probably start a new thread about it if no one else does...

Wow. It's a very good read. I got through about 1/4th of it. Article also talks about Lear's opinion on 9/11 (he's on truth's side).

pizzaman777 · 10-04-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:Wow. It's a very good read. I got through about 1/4th of it. Article also talks about Lear's opinion on 9/11 (he's on truth's side).

The thing with that though is he believes the holgram theory...

shuffle · 10-04-2006, 07:37 PM

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I've not seen many Lear takes on 9/11 so i'll take a look at those.

Also - Lear was known to post on A.T.S. I've had a few run-ins with ATS in various names. The place is not one of my favourites online really. When Lear [as long term jet and ex [alledgedly] CIA flyer etc] started posting on ATS about the Pentagon No Plane strike - most of the ATS lot

- never knew who he was
- slagged him off even though he is a pilot and they are not!!!

He was saying NO WAY did a 757 hit anything near the pentagon. We know he is right. ATS is full of sheep. Plus someone emailed me last week to say that whenever a certain site is linked to - the page goes and ends up in google cache only. Hmmmm.

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Re Al Bielek
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I really don't go for this black/white stuff debunkers use saying "X is a fake" and "X is real" or whatever - these labels do not apply any more and are over simplistic.

As Pizzaman said - The Philadelphia Experiment probably did happen. But I bet i've done more research on Al Bielek than most people here and it just so happens that his whole story shifts when the original FILM came out. When you look at the timeline of bieleks 'revelations' it gets comical. Even some of the films screw ups he used in lectures till he was exposed.

Al Bielek is the only guy I will ever say is a fake. I've said this about no-one else - this does not mean he is not a good researcher - he's really good - but he placed HIMSELF in the research and began suffering from what John Lear called

<span style="color:#33CC00">UFO Disease...

this is a really good analysis/term. lear claims on the UFO talk circuit researchers have to get invitted back again thus they need "new" evidence or theory. UFO disease is when they exagerrate and fabricate to make sure they don't say the same stuff as last years talk.

Bielek is a prime example of this.

See also http://www.bielek-debunked.com --> good research - Al stole his "old life" photo from a university yearbook!! Plus more. Like all of a sudden he integrates the WING MAKERS story as part of his "trip to mars" BS.

Al became a tour guide on mars within two days of arriving on the planet when he "fell off" the philly. LMAO!!!

pizzaman777 · 10-04-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:Also - Lear was known to post on A.T.S. I've had a few run-ins with ATS in various names. The place is not one of my favourites online really. When Lear [as long term jet and ex [alledgedly] CIA flyer etc] started posting on ATS about the Pentagon No Plane strike - most of the ATS lot

- never knew who he was
- slagged him off even though he is a pilot and they are not!!!

He was saying NO WAY did a 757 hit anything near the pentagon. We know he is right. ATS is full of sheep.

I started a heated topic over there about people flaming him. I'm getting some intelligent conversation.