Preparing And Surviving (please Read Very Important)

[Phil999]

toilet paper gives a perfect trace for anyone who is tracking you. You may have interest not to leave any tracks as a guerilla.
Besides, toilet paper is one of the stupiest inventions of human spirit. Brother tree has to die for my shit. And it is not clean either. The simplest "cleaning agent" is earth (adobe, clay, soil ???), and of course water. I like civilisation and I do not say "back to nature", but being "overcivilized" is not recommendable.

What is matience?

[hardboiled11]

Sorry at the time I was in a hurry, and you are right we are over civilized, is really causing us to actually decline as a nation, and good point on the Toilit paper, you know your stuff man. I totaly forgot about that.

Also I meant maintenance sorry, you know when you live out in the wild you have to keep everything in working order, like shoes and cloths.

I am thinking about going out in the wilderness soon, I just need to get the knowledge and good idea on what I will be doing, I was wondering if you have spent time out in the wilderness? or out in the country I guess some might call it? Where you at? mountians? desert? swamps? I live in the sierra's when it snows it SNOWS!!!!

[shuffle]

Green Tea ???

Have you actually tried that stuff??

Don't care how detox/good for you it is... doesn't do you nay good when you puke it up afterwards.

[Phil999]

Hmm, where you live? The Desert/Mountians/Red Woods. Sounds very inviting and ideal for wilderness trips. What to do? Well, I didn't have much time left when I lived in the woods because I was changing the place where I worked from time to time. After work, I went out finding a good place (every day a new one, mostly), searching dry wood, eat something or prepare the breakfast for the next day, relaxing a bit, then soon it was already dark. In the morning I enjoyed a bit the sunrise while chewing breakfast and went to the working site again. I mean, I was just trying out, and I found out that it worked very well, so for 2-3 years I was a bit of a wild man. "What does a man really need?" was my mantra. I only had one watertight bag and a smaller leather rucksack bag to carry the things and a modificated mountain bike, and in the wintertime I lived in the civilisation as usual, but also moving often, one month here, one month there, and then there was springtime again and the "big tent", the sky was the home. I had a barn to store all my stuff, and sometimes I spent the night there, but most of the time I was away.

Switzerland is a very small country, and I sometimes spent more than an hour to finally find a good place because of the big population density. But one of the things I learned is that after 9 PM the entire forest belongs to you, you are the only human being there, and therefore you are completely free to do whatever you like. I didn't do anything special, I just enjoyed this feeling.

If you have the time, I would just try. Ah, yes, I forgot a very precious requisite: a sheep's pelt (fur, hide???). This is a good thing to sleep on, the leather keeps the humidity from the soil away, and the wool keeps you warm. For cover, woolen blankets are very good, I did use my jacket and branches with leaves, blankets were already a luxury. The cushion are the boots covered with the leather bag. I would not use sleeping bags, when it rains it is more comfortable to build up a little tent. Such biwak tents are very small and lightweight to carry.
Funny thing is, I still use this kind of bed. Right now I sit on the floor on this sheepskin, the keyboard on a slightly elevated wooden bar. It is indeed fascinating how easy one can neglect and forget things that were undispendable before such archaic experiences.

[blove8.]

Tonight I discovered a great little contraption while reading
Jamie Compos's, "Bicycling Across America" blog.

Check out these do-it-yourselfers... the Pepsi-G Stove and Scott's Mini Stove

[blove8.]

This is what I'm talkin bout!

THTV: Urban Homestead
http://www.treehugger.com/tv/thtv_urban_homestead.php

Make the power company pay you for providing them with power. :wink:

Edit: This home: http://www.pathtofreedom.com/

[blove8.]

Build your own pedal powered generator...

PPPM - Pedal Generator Powering Laptop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwm6sRSl4jk

PPPM - Pedal Generator Powering 12 Volt DC TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88t6cvwgm-4

Pedal Power Bike:
http://www.scienceshareware.com/bike-gener...-alternator.htm
http://www.humboldt.edu/~ccat/pedalpower/
http://www.stewardwood.org/resources/DIYcyclepower.htm
http://users.erols.com/mshaver/bikegen.htm
http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_exper...ts_bicycle.html

An innovative, pedal powered, wireless network provides Internet access to off-grid villages in Laos.
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/columns/article.php/1454991

Also, solar oven plans:
http://solarcooking.org/plans/

[aaronmann]

good first post, good thread and great resources, blove8.

thanks for pointing out Richard Proenneke

i had a member of my forum start a thread like this. you can read it here:

Martial Law Survival Guide:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/aaronmann/inde...p?showtopic=729

and i've seen guides like these all over the place honestly. sheeple might be hypnotised but people like us know what's up.

[hardboiled11]

DUKCING ALOL GET OUT THETRE A ND PRACTIC THIS SPRING GUCKING LAZY FAT AMERICANS BROTHERN!!!

[mike77777]

good post. magnesium fire starter,surplus, have had mine for 12 years, it works, need a knife to go with it. was arctic light infantry 1975 thru 1977 in alaska. after about 10 days @ 20 below with 4 hours sleep each 24 you will start to hallucinate. water and food and dry clothes and you will survive. homesteaded in anchor point alaska 1981 t0 1995. save all organic for garden compost, potatoes, raspberries,carrot,all grew well. had eskimo wife 1977, lived in kipnuk ak., she taught me to follow mice to their burrows, and collect the grass seed. made a good meal boiled with fish or duck. net worked best in the small rivers there. throw net or ........22 rifle for the ducks. the primary survival tool is your mind. you have all needed in your area if your mind thinks out of the box. thanks, mike

[Phil999]

Quote:good post. magnesium fire starter,surplus, have had mine for 12 years, it works, need a knife to go with it. was arctic light infantry 1975 thru 1977 in alaska. after about 10 days @ 20 below with 4 hours sleep each 24 you will start to hallucinate. water and food and dry clothes and you will survive. homesteaded in anchor point alaska 1981 t0 1995. save all organic for garden compost, potatoes, raspberries,carrot,all grew well. had eskimo wife 1977, lived in kipnuk ak., she taught me to follow mice to their burrows, and collect the grass seed. made a good meal boiled with fish or duck. net worked best in the small rivers there. throw net or ........22 rifle for the ducks. the primary survival tool is your mind. you have all needed in your area if your mind thinks out of the box. thanks, mike

wow, sounds very tough. And the fact you are typing this, means that you are still alive :D.
Indeed, hard conditions render your mind into various states. Hunger, cold, also fear, can trigger some before absolutely unknown experiences. Very precious.

I guess when you say "thanks, mike", you are grateful of your own abilities and thank for them.

"the primary survival tool is your mind". This is experience talking. Respect.

[hardboiled11]

hmmmm

[resonate]

Hey! nice post, I love that movie Alone in the Wilderness, did ya see how much salt he put in his stew though? lol. His raw woodworking skills are amazing. There is a sequel called Silence and Solitude... the documentary makers (father and son) go and visit Dick Proeneke and film wildlife along the way.

Have you seen Waterwalker? It's just about a guy who likes to paint and he goes around canoeing in Lake Superior Ontario, he has a very interesting painting style too.

Reguarding Survival...

The best way to survive in nature is to get out and be still with it physically and mentally, then you won't be afraid.

If you know where to find a potable source of water around you will pretty much guarentee your survival for a while anyways. Challenge being, apparently, since 1983, such a thing doesn't exist anymore. I've drank from glacier fed streams and have been fine. The faster moving waters are better (sometimes). You can tie a plastic bag around a tree limb with a nice bunch of leaves on it and allow the condensation to fill the bag. Melt snow, room temperature water uses less energy to consume.

Knowing what plants are poisonus and medicinal in the area is the easiest and most important thing to know to help you survive long term. Reason being, is that there are less poisonus plants and fungi, easier to remember, then you'll know you can eat pretty much everything else.

Observe any behaviour of birds and squirrels. Most birds make repetative calls when they are alarmed... so if you here that, you'll know there is something predatorial to that bird in the area. A Stellar Jay tipped off a friend of mine to a Black bear near by. Better aquiant yourself with the ordinary or the feel of the area under normal circumstances, then when something happens, you'll more easily notice a difference in the feeling of the forest, or wherever you are.

If you are in the city, have an area in mind that has natural flowing water... I would then get your running shoes on (OR ALWAYS WEAR THEM! lol) then you'll be ready to run to the nearest forest.

Have you seen this?!! Russian Climbing

[enteri]

This is a reply to the first poster in the topic: Great thinking man you are on the right track.. i've been trained to be a medic for a guerilla unit in the finnish army and most of the stuff you had there we also had in our inventory. But you also have to cut some not so needless stuff out or you wont be able to move with it. (trust me it really sucks to run and shoot while carrying about 50kilos on your back and thats the total limit)

What we trained for was to operate in a 7 man unit capable of surviving at least a week on our own in different conditions that was really useful since we were able to divide the heaviest items among the unit so no one had to carry too much.

What items we had each person:

1. Assault Rifle and 3 Magazines (90 rounds total)
2. What you were normally wearing.. army boots, camo suit, gloves, hat and skin camo stick (to take out the gloss)
3. Knife
4. All purpose tool (leatherman is the best by far)
5. A flashlight that you can strap onto your head (a normal flashlight is really useless if you have to occupy one hand all the time to carry a flashlight)
6. Belt on which one side is a case for 3 magazines and the other side a case for a drinking bottle, portable shovel, gun cleaning kit, small bottle of weapon oil (guns tend to rust easily:(), a small piece of cloth, earplugs (you dont want to lose your hearing when someone fires their gun next to your head) and really important a map. A compasse you can have on your wrist and in my opinion the clock type compasses are handy

7. A backpack in which we had everything heres a picture of a good backpack.

In the backpack you should have at least the following items:

- 2 spare socks, 2 t-shirts, 2 boxers, 1 polo shirt, 2 long underpants
- some isolationary clothes for example woolen pants and a woolen long sleeved shirt
- rubber boots (if not wearing army boots or such.. its really important what kind of boots you are wearing since you cant do much if your feet get to a really bad shape)
- rain coat and rain pants (rubber temporarily also protects your skin from chemical agents)
- rain cape (note. you need this for million reasons! one of the most useful things you can have! easiest way to create a temporary shelter)
- cooking device and fuel for it
- 4-5 litres of water in a plastic container
- Food portions for at least 3 days (canned foods NOODLES, NOODLES, NOODLES, raisins, pasta bags, coffee bags, sugar, salt, crispbread which is really useful, energy drink powder for fast energy boost, chocolate bars for the same reason)
- Water purification pills since 4-5 litres of water isnt that much and you'll need more eventually
- Sleeping bag
- Insulatory mattress
- a brush for cleaning the cooking device
- a camping axe (i had a proper knife which does the same thing really)
- medikit (there's a good description what to put here in the first post and one medikit should suffice for about max. 8 people)

In addition you should have the following if you can carry them or have someone else to balance the weight with)

- tent
- a portable fireplace or a woord burner preferably a smaller version than the one in the picture

here you can see what the packing looks like

heres a picture inside the tent useful to have a wood burner on rainy weather since its the only way to get your stuff dry:

Easy and fast cooking using the cooking device


This is my first post hope you find something useful and please forgive my spelling errors:)

[StingingNettle]

Quote:Nice post hardboilednwokilla.:)Unfortunately, self sufficiency in the wild is something most people have lost over the last 200 years. If you haven't already, check out Tom Brown Jr. He knows a thing or two about survival (learned from one of the best) and writes some kick ass books. I believe I read in one of his books that he was dropped off in the middle of the Canadian Rocky wilderness, naked, during the winter, just to challenge himself. With what he knows, I don't think it was all that much of a challenge.

Yes, Tom rocks. I've tacken the tracker course. I have also taken a bunch from earthwalk North west. A couple of his students that use to teach at the tracker school.