Take Your Pick: World Government Or Anarchy

[shZ]

Quote:ppl who know me know im all for anarchy =P

anarchy is harmony... anarchy is what happens when everyone takes responsibilty for themselves and their actions... anarchy is what happens when noone is a leader nor a follower... when everyone is truely an individual...

anarchy is true freedom... its independance... its harmony... its life...

Which is why it's impratcial.

[Shinobi]

Has anyone even considered neither ?

As it stands with anarchy, Im all for that..infact its quite an illusion really
I believe were all living in anarchy right now, were all just to blind to see it
What needs to be done is we need to dig out the Governments anarchy and rid that, along with that of the bankers who basically control 'everything' then establish a true peoples anarchy in place of our current nwo led anarchy which we live in now..spare the confusion..we need to fucking start fast and hard, bang on the case.. because the way things are going right now.. well *keeps predicted disasters at bay* I really hope we all make it through, and I really hope we all do stick together in the end.

[KirstenJ]

Neither unless I had to, and if I had to it would be anarchy everytime

what else can you do:rolleyes:

[tsoldrin]

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Quote:People are not animalistic by nature but by programming, by agreeing to beliefs that aren't true. Humans are mentally ill today because of their domestication programming and the unhealthy concept of government. Once the institutions of domestication begin to crumble it will be terrifying to most people, because they're unaware of that they're living in an illusion.

That a pretty bold statement with no factual basis or conclusive evidence. Language and higher intellectual capacity doesn't have a whole lot to do with acting morally or being good. I'm quite sick of hearing all this post modern liberal nonsense where every social ill and conceivable evil is always some type of conditioning. We evolved from primitive apes, not benovlent angelic spirits. We are and have always been animals. Our primitive base instincts and drives aren't going anywhere, regarless of how much one chooses to suppress them or deny their existance. The reason why I hate statement like that is:

A) It automatically seems to suggest humans are inherently good, a ludicrous and contradictory nation. The most glaring fallicy is:

1) Assume humans are inherntly good.
2) Blame all evil on social condtioning and/or elites and leaders.

The inherent condradiction between the implications of those two premises should be rather obvious. These elites and leaders who we all love to blame so much don't exactly appear out of thin air, they come from the same societies and aren't exactly members of a different species. Their malevolent and depraved actions, including premeditated conditioning which we are apparently "completely unable to resits" even though we're "so good by nature" contradicts the initial premise. If the first premise were true, the rest of the "poor helpless" members of society shouldn't be affectively or substantially "programmed" or "conditioned" to be so evil, infact, quite the opposite. Wouldn't one expect then to never allow their leaders to carry out or implement any of their moraly reprehensible actions and agendas in the first place?

This raises a good point... however I am not so sure it can be boiled down so simply. I'd put forth the idea that perhaps the basic 'evil' of people is born in the fact that we're living in an unnatural way... in giant cities with ridiculous laws governing our every move created by faceless strangers who we cannot hold to account or even question. The Elite were born of this system just like everyone else, and thus are likewise mentally damaged by it. They are simply capitalizing on the whole... possibly even as a natural reaction to the unnatural situation we humans find ourselves in.

I prefer to think people are inherently good outside of the broken society which has risen up as an abomination to nature itself... and I think that if that were not the case, they would have all killed eachother off until there was a single tribe/race/people long ago.

[shZ]

Quote:This raises a good point... however I am not so sure it can be boiled down so simply. I'd put forth the idea that perhaps the basic 'evil' of people is born in the fact that we're living in an unnatural way... in giant cities with ridiculous laws governing our every move created by faceless strangers who we cannot hold to account or even question. The Elite were born of this system just like everyone else, and thus are likewise mentally damaged by it. They are simply capitalizing on the whole... possibly even as a natural reaction to the unnatural situation we humans find ourselves in.

I prefer to think people are inherently good outside of the broken society which has risen up as an abomination to nature itself... and I think that if that were not the case, they would have all killed eachother off until there was a single tribe/race/people long ago.

Well, I certainly agree that our unnatural social organization into nation states and cities etc is a valid point and will inevitabely have a negative impact. Nevertheless, the problem of 'evil' isn't confined to the modern nation state or city. There are countless counter examples to be found where this problem still exists (like tribal societies and villages). But the very nature of a nation state/city is centralization of power and control which inevitabely leads to increased social allienation/lack of communal bond and familiarity.

[Keen]

Quote:You people realise that, once anarchy is set in place, ANYONE can bust into your house, RAPE your wife and children, take EVERYTHING they want or feel like, and then eventually KILL you. There's no law to stop it. How is that better than global government ? At least the elite promises us a LIFE. Anarchy = fear.

and no, none of the above mentioned options are even close to what I have in mind for this world.

There is always local, community law, and possibly militias. A true anarchy would mean government intrusion in people's lives is next to nothing. There does not have to be chaos if people use common sense, but in this day and age, with how things are run, that may be impossible.