Take Your Pick: World Government Or Anarchy

[ResistanceInOceania]

We citizens will soon be purged from the system. In 2008 the national Id cards are going to be implemented, and if you do not wish to move along with global government, then you must refuse the update. Unofrtunately, this will restrict you from taking part in our capitalist society. Once purged from modern society, where will you go? Communities must be built and strengthened - and fast. Whether you plan to stay and fight the coming sytem, or reject it all together you will need a real community to stand by and live with.
If we wish to fight the totalitarian system with "the blood of tyrants and patriots" then, what to replace it with. Well our faithful Constitution of course. It just needs to be renewed and started from stratch. Unfortunately the people that managed to gain control throughout history to take advantage of others will surely rise to power once more. They always have and always will. We are providing the infrustructure for it. So fight now, kowing in the back of your head that your great grandchildren will have to fight another desperate fight against tyranny, or make it the last revolution of mankind. A revolution of the mind and spirit which will end the opprotunity for tyrants to control the lives of others.


Some time ago I heard a caller debate with aj about the idea of anarchy. It was on some myspace profile, but cut off halfway through. Does anyone have the full file of this?

[jack]

Quote:If we wish to fight the totalitarian system with "the blood of tyrants and patriots" then, what to replace it with. Well our faithful Constitution of course. It just needs to be renewed and started from stratch.

CORRECT.

America is(was) a Constitutional Republic
In the republican form of government, the power rests in a written constitution, wherein the powers of the government are limited so that the people retain the maximum amount of power themselves. In addition to limiting the power of the government, care is also taken to limit the power of the people to restrict the rights of both the majority and the minority.

We are no longer a government of the People, by the People, for the People, but are today a government, of the elite corporation, by the elite corporation, for the elite corporation.


“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
~Winston Churchill

Quote:Some time ago I heard a caller debate with aj about the idea of anarchy. It was on some myspace profile, but cut off halfway through. Does anyone have the full file of this?

Nope, sorry:(
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Sample Petition:

Petition To The County
Commission/Sheriff:
The County is the building block of the American political system and the sheriff, county commissioner and county judge are the local chieftains in the proper functioning of county government. These offices present the greatest challenge to the misuse of authority by a central government.
Whereas: The 10th Amendment to the Constitution for the United States reads as follows: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people;” and
Whereas: The 10th Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the United States Constitution and no more; and
Whereas: The scope of power defined by the 10th Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and
Whereas: Today, the states are in fact treated as agents of the federal government; and
Whereas: Many federal mandates are directly in violation of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution for the United States; and
Whereas: ________________ County, State of ______________ is accepting federal funding that binds this county to federal mandates allowing regulations that are destroying our livelihoods and way life; and
Whereas: Elected officials of ___________ County are bound by oath to defend and preserve the Constitutions for the United States of America and the State of ________________, and to preserve life, liberty and property of ______________ County Inhabitants; now
Therefore: We, the undersigned Inhabitants of _________________ County, State of _________________ hereby demand that the _____________ County Commission/Sheriff, State of _________________, as our agents, fulfill their sworn obligation to uphold the Constitutions for the United States and the State of ____________, and cease and desist, effective immediately, accepting federal funding that binds this county to federal mandates that are beyond the scope of constitutionally delegated powers and to stop:
1. State, federal or international agencies from entering the county when they do, or intend to, violate any of our individual constitutional rights.
2. State, federal or international agencies from entering the county when they intend to take control of, or confiscate, our resources or land, by any method that violates the Constitution.
3. Illegal searches and seizures.

The county commission, along with the arresting power of the county sheriff, has the power to stop state, federal or international agencies from entering the county and we willfully agree to forgo federal funding for you to do so.

[Enemy]

The problem with anarchy and why I find it has failed so far is the lack of self sufficency. It's all well and good to have romantic notions, but when most of your day is spent grinding flour, only to have to build your house because you want something better than a tent to live in do you get tempted by electricty, sweets, tv, and the internet.

Damn. Without access to internet I'd loose my entire extended consciousness. I'd have to guess if a mushroom was edible or not.

[tsoldrin]

Well, we're not living at the turn of the century. In theory, with out current high technology, we could have a whole bunch of modern conveniences and reduce the amount of work needed to support ourselves also. Unfortunately for the most part, getting set up in such a system is quite cost prohibitive and it wouldn't benefit any big corps who have the funds to initiate such a world to do so. With everyone living free, independent and self sufficient, that would cut the power away from exactly those who are in a position to implement such a thing.

Edit: (add) re: grinding flour... right after I read the above, I read this on one of my favorite blogs cryptogon, seemed relavent to the previous post.

[Skinski7]

Most people have become dependents on the structure surrounding them and thus any dream of remove the structure is wishful thinking due to the absolute chaos it would cause.

Anarchy cannot work despite its romantic appeal to many due to the fact it leads a vacuum to which a tyrant will surely fill. Anarchy is rule of the jungle and would very quicly fall into despotism.

The ideal is strictly limited representative government but even this seems to be unrealistic at this stage due to the dependency and ignorance socialism has induced onto the people of the world.

The more I dwell on this subject the more I am becoming convinced that the teachings of Jesus in relation to this world are the truth.

[waxzy]

anarchy for sure

[McFly]

Anarchy!

Didn't even have to think one fraction of a nanosecond about my answer.:)

[SerialExpLain]

Anarchy, like April Love, is for the very young, lol.

Some order and some structure, pleeeze!

[Enemy]

Try prison. All the order and structure you need there. No responsbility either.

Anarchy is not an easy choice, but it is what would should aspire to, not what we should abhor.

[DHammer]

You people realise that, once anarchy is set in place, ANYONE can bust into your house, RAPE your wife and children, take EVERYTHING they want or feel like, and then eventually KILL you. There's no law to stop it. How is that better than global government ? At least the elite promises us a LIFE. Anarchy = fear.

and no, none of the above mentioned options are even close to what I have in mind for this world.

[tsoldrin]

Anarchy is a temporary state, which usually leads to feudalism. I don't think anyone can seriously be promoting permenant anarchy... you simply couldn't do it unless it was in a very highly controlled and structured environment;)

Why would it be an EITHER-OR anyway? I will go off the board and pick benevolent dictator.

[standvast]

Dhammer Wrote:Anarchy = fear.

Well only if you have no faith in humanity['s selfbetterment].
what is it you'ld fear in a state of anarchy that you don't fear in the present condition[ing]?

What do you think when you hear the word "anarchy"? gangs or tribes of punks in
leather jackets pillaging villages and murdering townsfolk?
Anarchy does not imply there can not be a consensus about what is acceptable within a community or not.
A group of people without a controlling judiciary power can still enforce their will on collective ground
without having an exhaulted judge, and a written set of rules based on exploitation of the percieved "evil in mankind".

The "problem" is indeed as Skinski hinted at , that fromout the state the world is in now, it is
highly unlikely compassionate communities of anarchy based common-ground cooperation will sprout,
nor is it likely that curruption can be rooted out working within the existing systema.
The picture we are offered is presented as if there is no workable alternative, as if
we have allready [been forced to] venture[d] beyond the point of no return.
The notion that there isn't any workable alternative presented as a common goal for humanity to work towards,
is only enforced by those who , because of the pessemistic prospect, become convinced there is
something intergrally "wrong" with humanity, that the evil in man, or the manner in which man has
conditioned himself is irreversible , or everpresent.

Dhammer Wrote:You people realise that, once anarchy is set in place, ANYONE can bust into your house, RAPE your wife and children, take EVERYTHING they want or feel like, and then eventually KILL you. There's no law to stop it

but there IS a law now ,that Law itself isn't stopping it either , for those that do such things you
mention don't abide by laws as you do, . which makes the system the man who commits
these crimes function under irrelevant.

Tsoldrin Wrote:Well, we're not living at the turn of the century. In theory, with out current high technology, we could have a whole bunch of modern conveniences and reduce the amount of work needed to support ourselves also. Unfortunately for the most part, getting set up in such a system is quite cost prohibitive and it wouldn't benefit any big corps who have the funds to initiate such a world to do so. With everyone living free, independent and self sufficient, that would cut the power away from exactly those who are in a position to implement such a thing.

^^:)You where ahead of me, and i like the way you've said it,
Independent development and communal interaction is the remedy, we don't have to
be fully self-dependent, we have to be able to depend on oneanother , and not expect an instant gratification
or return for everything. When people learn they can't exist by themselves, they'l find their freedom
and self-worth in helping others become self sufficient, learn from oneanother which
i think in working formula leaeds to a community collectively providing for all.
The will to work towards this has to be there, people have to understand why they can't be controlled from
above without being reduced to a barcode number, and why they can't selfsustain without the love,
respect and helping of others. There are a lot of things humans can do without, most of them are material ,
they are toys, gadgets, gimmicks, with no added beneficial value. Same goes for their mental counterparts,
the wants and wills to "own" , things . beyond having realistic need for them, they don't help you grow,
or artistically express, or advance in experiencing or understanding Life,
they're not at all nescessities to who "you' think you really are,.. they are moslty disposable ascessories.

unless you believe it should be as you experience it,
..dont be afraid to change.B)

peace'
standvast.

[tsoldrin]

I stand on a wire examining this idea of community micro utopias. On the one hand, the taste of real freedom and the possibilities of such a concept spreading like pollen in the wind is nearly overwhelming. On the other hand, my cynical and jaded side sees the trouble which waits for anyone who wishes to work outside of the system... pictures of bulldozers and eminent domain signs loom in those shadows.

So much to contemplate, weight and measure... I wonder if there is time.

[SerialExpLain]

Quote:Try prison. All the order and structure you need there. No responsbility either

BITE ME!!!

[standvast]

I think the current path will prove itself a dead end, not just for us but for for everyone,
as if no changes in both our outlook and interactions with our surroundings change ,
there can very well be a collapse of economies and times of great chaos ahead.
I refer to humanity as a whole by "us' in this sense, knowing that there are plenty people who
understand we are as a species screwing ourselves over and pretending to enjoy it.[some exceptions]

Acceptance of how we have to chronically adapt,
and actualisation of the altering process is prime.
There will not be any coherent resistance unless there are lots of people who know
what they collective stand for and against,. but people are kept busy and amazingly
ingorant enough to be content with the situation they are in.
Sure they may criticise the government or point out horrific extremities in the world here and there
but i believe they hardly stop to notice the views they hold themselves, and how they contribute to the
systemics this world functions under today.

Quote:So much to contemplate, weight and measure... I wonder if there is time.

There is time, there has been time and there will be time, i think people
need to seriously consider how they can create an understanding of what they would want as
an alternative to our current situation. Often the ideas presented rest upon the same old structured systema.

peace'
standvast.