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12-15-2006, 10:34 AM
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Quote:phony
Care to explain?

Actually no. Just my personal intuition based on my ability to read people over this medium. Unfair? Probably. That's okay, because nobody should be putting much weight behind such a thing to begin with and simply making their own judgements, based on their own observations and not relying on other folks opinions, of which I'm just stating my personal one.
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12-15-2006, 11:18 AM
Post: #182
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As i see it, having an opinion is much better than a confused, bewilderd state. At least, on realisation, one can correct him/herself.

In 90% of the cases, Believing "Who cares?" or not having in opinion or having no quest for truths/knowledge, will result into an idle state of existance without much chance of 'learning' (In the true sense of the term).

I'm not implying that such ppl are hopeless cases. But I know it from experience that such behavior slows down the mental & spiritual progress.

Anyway, i am interested to know what is 'phony"?
Maybe you are right and your argument can be a food-for-my-thoughts.

Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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12-15-2006, 11:50 AM
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Quote:As i see it, having an opinion is much better than a confused, bewilderd state. At least, on realisation, one can correct him/herself.
Interesting. Having a wrong opinion however and being locked into it would certainly be be much worse than a 'confused, bewildered state', wouldn't it? Because you'd be perpetually locked into... something that is WRONG.

Quote:In 90% of the cases, Believing "Who cares?" or not having in opinion or having no quest for truths/knowledge, will result into an idle state of existance without much chance of 'learning' (In the true sense of the term).

I'm not implying that such ppl are hopeless cases. But I know it from experience that such behavior slows down the mental & spiritual progress.
Those are some pretty powerful pronouncements from 'on high'. 90%? Where does that number even come from? How about... "In two BILLION PERCENT of religous believers, there is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of idots?" Same difference, right? I think also, when you do a reality check, you'll find that almost universally, those who are 'believers' have given up, as you put it, "quest for truths/knowledge", because, obviously, they already think they know it all. Pity them.

As far as 'slowing down the mental & spiritual progress'...have you ever thought those two are mutually exclusive? Kind of like slowing down the Factual and Fictional progress?

Quote:Anyway, i am interested to know what is 'phony"?
Maybe you are right and your argument can be a food-for-my-thoughts.
I thought I already covered this. My feeling is that this guy is a fucking phony. That's it. A flim-flam man. A Con artist. For a while, I wondered what his angle was and what he might be after, but then I realized it was the simplest motive of all... attention. You're feeding it like coal to a fire. That's your choice. I don't care to, I'm just stating what I see... which is pure and unadulterated phony. If you don't like my rather educated opinion that's fine. I'm not even going to argue about it. I say what I see.

If you didn't have such a fierce need to believe in something so badly, such a yearning for validation, you'd probably see what I see too. Someday I think you will. Probably not today though.
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12-15-2006, 01:37 PM
Post: #184
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lovelyk cheers for that, some good points


we are his creations, not slaves or servants ok sons and daughters my bad, i should learn to be more accurate, and not presume you have intelligence. if allah wants something, he/she can will it, why the need for slaves? if the cosmos, atoms can be created, why does he/she need us servants/slaves, go on explain. what can you do to help allah, that he/she cannot do. submission means submission to soul, the conquering of sin/desires etc, mind over matter, good over evil. i bet even the he/she term pisses you off.

also ask yourself this what colour was abraham, was he arab, indian or african. as for the sikhs, the invading imperial, genocidal, evil mughal empire was islamic. what good muslims they were killing, raping people. when the west does it, its is bad, why the bias to mughal invasions, you did the same. as for turban, to look the same, are you arab, if not then you most probably indian/pakistani. they were wearing turbans in africa, look at rastas (nazarites, do not cut hair), so learn your facts.. if you are from india, pakistan etc, you ancestors converted to islam. us sikhs were outnumbered and still kicked you arse. we were offered death or conversion, and we still here. the creator was with us then, why did he leave you, was it because you were following wicked corrupted doctrine. how long did mohammed say islam would last before it was corrupted. the sects in islam are wrong, they go against mohammed teachings.

http://www.submission.org/corruption.html

also as for abraham, check this article, who was abraham

http://www.viewzone.com/VIEW.ZONE.html

lets have a real good debate bro. correct my mistakes, the greatest thing a man can be is a teacher.

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12-15-2006, 02:46 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2006 02:50 PM by bluecrabmessenger.)
Post: #185
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http://web.archive.org/web/20011211163747/...t/leoyoung.html
From the 2001 Review of Magickal Childe and brief Leo Young/Leo Zagami bio.
"...As a footnote, Leo is also generally considered to be as mad as an upside down clown, renowned for a reckless penchant for ludicrous coiffeuring, questionable neo-pagan mystical interests, threatening verbal behaviour and convincingly delivered allusions to a bloodline of eccentric castle-dwelling Italian aristocrats.
So what about it then?"







Presenting the former Prince in waiting to be the Most Illustrious Knight Sovereign Grand Rex Poobah Adeptus Illuminatus of the Italian Illuminati, Leo Zagami, appearing live on the GCN radio network and in conspiracy forums near you. Supported by 'Seekers of Selective Information to Support What I Already Believe.'
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Leo with evil Illuminati smirk and devil horn. Notice how Leo sports an Anton Levay like goatee in all these pictures.
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Exclusive!!! :freaked:
Lee Tong (Leo Zagami) Super Secret Symbolism revealed. This album cover reveals the the hidden message of the former Italian Illuminati Grand Poobah in waiting. He was actually awarded the Illustrious Masonic 33rd Degree of Recognition for this work in particular. Lee Tong is actually a kind of l337 speak for Elite One as well as an anagram for 'Ton of Glee' (the 'of' is poetic license of course). Leo is paying homage to satanist King Diamond with a toned down version of his makeup.
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12-15-2006, 04:51 PM
Post: #186
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Quote:My feeling is that this guy is a fucking phony.

Feeling seconded, and he hasn't offered anything
to make me believe otherwise,..
Not much explanation required, ..
"ex-illuminati" turns muslim and speaks of "satan" as if a real entity..

he sure does come off "illumined" judging from his posts, doesn't he ?
didn't want to ruin you guys having fun with Leo,..
..the Basard done said it. :smile:

'nuff said.

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12-15-2006, 05:01 PM
Post: #187
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If I were of a more conspiratorial nature, I would say this is all a grand distraction, spanning several threads and many messages, in an effort to drain energy and suck attention away from important here-and-now issues. Honestly though, I don't think it even rises to that level.

I guess I really am a wet blanket.
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12-15-2006, 05:01 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2006 05:03 PM by tsoldrin.)
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Dupe, double clicked. Why waste it, since it's already here? Hat tip to Stand.
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12-15-2006, 05:42 PM
Post: #189
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Jeez all I've read is garbage

Dead lose of a thread IMO

Quote:If I were of a more conspiratorial nature, I would say this is all a grand distraction, spanning several threads and many messages, in an effort to drain energy and suck attention away from important here-and-now issues. Honestly though, I don't think it even rises to that level.

I guess I really am a wet blanket.

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12-15-2006, 07:12 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2006 07:14 PM by kr00k.)
Post: #190
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Quote:we are his creations, not slaves or servants ok sons and daughters my bad, i should learn to be more accurate, and not presume you have intelligence. if allah wants something, he/she can will it, why the need for slaves?
Allah created the Man and the Djines so that they worship him , that's his will we cannot discuss it , and of course Allah does not need slaves ......



Quote:also ask yourself this what colour was abraham, was he arab, indian or african.
he most certainly was a semite , but God knows best , as it seems that the humanity was really very different from what we are today , the humans before were able to live way longer and we had some race of giants and God knows what else ...also the earth as such was very very different , much greener with different fruits and animals ....


Quote:as for the sikhs, the invading imperial, genocidal, evil mughal empire was islamic. what good muslims they were killing, raping people. when the west does it, its is bad, why the bias to mughal invasions, you did the same.
you are confusing the Monghols withIslam , these are people who were very rude and the moslems were the first to suffer from them remember the invasion and the sack of Baghdad ...but God had other ways for his creation , and from barbaric tribes Allah turned them by his will to moslems .....

Quote:as for turban, to look the same, are you arab, if not then you most probably indian/pakistani. they were wearing turbans in africa, look at rastas (nazarites, do not cut hair), so learn your facts..
I am a moslem first and foremost , Islam transcends all nationalisms ...

Quote:if you are from india, pakistan etc, you ancestors converted to islam. us sikhs were outnumbered and still kicked you arse. we were offered death or conversion, and we still here. the creator was with us then, why did he leave you, was it because you were following wicked corrupted doctrine. .
you are wrong again ...Islam was never imposed on anyone , If Islam was imposed by force you won't be a sikh by today , the whole indian subcontinent was controlled by moslems before the british occupation , even in the non moslem areas they had moslem rulers who tolerated all other faiths and never imposed islam on anyone ...I guess it is you who should read your facts.....


Quote:how long did mohammed say islam would last before it was corrupted. the sects in islam are wrong, they go against mohammed teachings.

Mohammed said that the islamic Ummah will split into 73 parts all of them in hell fire except one , that who follows the Sunnah of the prophet ....


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12-15-2006, 11:54 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2006 11:54 PM by standvast.)
Post: #191
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who was Abraham?

Quote:he most certainly was a semite

prove it. if it's so "most certain"

Abraham = Ibrahim = Avram/Abu-Ramu/Ibrahim Zeradust / ab Rama ?

did you even read the viewzone link?

Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew)
Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."??

If you want to include expressions like "most certainly",
i suggest you specify that it's only you that is so convinced, not everyone.

To wit:

Quote:India, the Cradle of Human Race. The Encyclopedia Brittanica says: "Man must have an original cradleland whence the peopling of the earth was brought about by migration. As to man’s cradleland, there have been many theories but the weight of evidence is in favor of Indo-Malaysia. In addition, Creuzer says: "If there is a country on earth which can justly claim the honor of having been the cradle of the Human race or at least the scene of primitive civilization, the successive developments of which carried into all parts of the ancient world and even beyond, the blessings of knowledge which is the second life of man, that country is assuredly India."

India, the Motherland. The eminent philosopher and historian Will Durant of the U.S.A., who is famous for his many volumes on history wrote: "India was the motherland of our race and Sanskrit is the mother of Europe’s languages. She was the mother of our philosophies, mother through the Arabs, of much of our mathematics, mother through Buddha, of the ideal embodied in Christianity, mother through the village communities of self-government and democracy. Mother India is, in many ways, the mother of us all."

India, a High Degree of Civilization. Lord Macaulay of England who is much criticized in India for having suggested to the then British Government, to spread English education in India so that not only the British would have clerks at very cheap scales of salary but the latter would also, gradually become anglicized writes: "Many centuries before Christ, when the people of England were still wearing raw skins on their painted bodies and roaming wildly in forests, even in the remote antiquity, Indians had attained a high degree of civilization."

India, the World Teacher. Lin Yutang, the Chinese writer, says in "Wisdom of India": "India was China’s teacher in religion and imaginative literature, and world’s teacher in Trigonometry, quadratic equations, grammar, phonetics, Arabian Nights, animal fables, chess as well as in philosophy, and she inspired Boccasccio, Goethe, Schopenhauer and Emerson."

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12-15-2006, 11:59 PM
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you are hallucinating in day light as usual ...I won't even tell you what use I can have for your encyclopedia britanica ....you imagened it already.... :biggrin:


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12-16-2006, 12:17 AM
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It's a nice example of your stubborn blindness, to dimiss the
link/quotes and 4 different authors , on noticing that one of 5 source is the Brittanica.
but then again why ecpect anything different from a man who is as ignorant to claim:
Quote:Islam was never imposed on anyone

i think i speak for most here that there is hardly any talking to you,
since you clearly not open to any discussion.
Quote:Seek assistance through patience and prayer,
and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones.
(The Cow 2.45)

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12-16-2006, 12:19 AM
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Well said standman, standing your ground. kr00k get a new attitude
or something... jeez.

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12-16-2006, 12:27 AM
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Quote:http://web.archive.org/web/20011211163747/...t/leoyoung.html
From the 2001 Review of Magickal Childe and brief Leo Young/Leo Zagami bio.
"...As a footnote, Leo is also generally considered to be as mad as an upside down clown, renowned for a reckless penchant for ludicrous coiffeuring, questionable neo-pagan mystical interests, threatening verbal behaviour and convincingly delivered allusions to a bloodline of eccentric castle-dwelling Italian aristocrats.
So what about it then?"







Presenting the former Prince in waiting to be the Most Illustrious Knight Sovereign Grand Rex Poobah Adeptus Illuminatus of the Italian Illuminati, Leo Zagami, appearing live on the GCN radio network and in conspiracy forums near you. Supported by 'Seekers of Selective Information to Support What I Already Believe.'
<div align='center'>[Image: zagami01nd5.jpg] </div>





Leo with evil Illuminati smirk and devil horn. Notice how Leo sports an Anton Levay like goatee in all these pictures.
[Image: A-150-40508-1115645087.jpg]



Exclusive!!! :freaked:
Lee Tong (Leo Zagami) Super Secret Symbolism revealed. This album cover reveals the the hidden message of the former Italian Illuminati Grand Poobah in waiting. He was actually awarded the Illustrious Masonic 33rd Degree of Recognition for this work in particular. Lee Tong is actually a kind of l337 speak for Elite One as well as an anagram for 'Ton of Glee' (the 'of' is poetic license of course). Leo is paying homage to satanist King Diamond with a toned down version of his makeup.
[Image: 66665rr3.jpg]
Take note of the Solar Eclipse surrounding the three moon discs. The 3 moon discs also incorporate a hidden 666.

w0w , the work of a five year old such as yourself is quite something, only five year olds find it funny.
If you would like to be nasty and stupid somewhere, perhaps go back to your master and ask for another
mission, as far as im concearned you're not welcome here man. If I ever happen to get pictures of you
in any form or any kind, let your superior help you, for I am king of photoshop and will make you 'bow'
and make you beg for not creating my reproductions of your pictures. Im far from wanting "hey dude your cool" or wanting any praise. I'll find you and your pictures and produce the real dummy you are online ....

whats that, how am I going to achieve this.. all I need do is ask . . . .

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otherwise fuckoff.

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