Illuminati Restrictions Start Against My Web Site

[Shinobi]

Thanks Leo, and great couple of posts here tkra, very interesting.

[leo]

by Imperial Khaled Khan
HOW CAN WE STILL BE IN THE HANDS OF DEGENERATE INDIVIDUALS THAT
WORSHIP MOLOCH?
ARE WE ALL MAD TO LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT?
SATAN IS GETTING MAN TO BECOME MORE INFEDEL THEN BEFORE.
LETS GET INSIDE THE BOHEMIAN GROVE AND EXECUTE THEM ON THE SPOT,
LIKE MY SOLUTION UNITED STATES?
FRATERNALY YOURS...

[leo]

MOLOCH AND THE SHRINERS

"let me answer partially to your questions :
first of all Islam does not have symbols sacred or non
sacred , Islam does not use symbols and does not give
any importance to them , so whoever claims that the
crescent or the sword is an islamic symbol is a plain
liare ...The shriners are not muslems , they are an
american massonic order that have nothing to do with
Islam , and they can claim for themselves whatever
they want ."
Mr X



I agree with Mr X and I want to had that the Shriner
Order are a bunch of perverts and they have been
kicked out of Mecca a long time ago for being judged as total
infedels .The exist two versions of the "illuminati"
Shriners in the US and Europe, as number two was
created to manipulate influential Black Americans
from what is defined as Prince Hall Masonry
(Freemasonry for blacks only). I can also confirm from
a personal experience that the Ritual of the Kissing
of the Black Stone made by the Shriners is the most
infedel ritual in the world, as these blasphemers
kiss the ass of the Master in the Lodge/Temple and
not the Black Stone at the Kaaba in Mecca this is
disgracefull and offensive ,
it is a direct mockery of that solemn
tradition in the life of all muslims.
These illuminati should be realy punished for
such diabolical rubbish even if it helps a few
hospitals...

Nowdays the illuminati Shriners completely control
from their Temples the A.A.S.R. (Ancient and Accepted
Scottish Rite) Lodges as part of the illuminati
pyramid, they actualy made a massive campaign to get
Fremasons intiated in basketball stadiums ...YES
6000 at the time ready to join the illuminati Satanic Shriners.
The Shriners then lead to the History of the Hillbilly Degree :

by Imperial Raban Harris

"Many years ago, shortly after I became a Shriner, I
was exposed to the world of side-line degrees. Now to
reach this point in life, a man must first become a
Mason. That is a member of the Masonic Lodge. This is
a very great organization, so like my father and
brothers, I was very proud to become a member.

Now that I was a Mason; I was promptly informed that I
must go on up." Some urged me to take the York Rites,
and some said take the Scottish Rites; some even said
to take both. This some of the best advice that I have
ever had that I followed. Now I was able to petition
and join the Shrine. Shrine Temples are in all areas
of North America and apparently these fellows have
fun.

So I became a Shriner. A Shriner is permitted to wear
the red fez and join in the many social and charitable
activities. He can join the Clown Unit, the Marching
Patrol, Oriental Band, or other groups and participate
in the colorful parades and be seen in many public
places. The social activities are many and always
proud to be helping support the Shriners Hospitals.
What could be finer than to have fun and help the
crippled and burned children at the same time?

At this point I was beginning to acquire a billfold
full of cards. Each of the Masonic organizations
issues their own annual card, and they soon add up.
Then the Temple issues a card; and each of the Units
also issues their own annual cards. Now a Shriner
becomes exposed to the world of side-line degrees.
Many Shriners loved to join as many as possible in
order to be able to display the membership
cards-sometimes dozens and dozens, and he is always
proudest if he has more than the other Shriner. It is
quite common to see Shriners have special card cases;
which they will flip out at the faintest hint to
unfold a strip of cards a yard or two long. This is
the world of the side-line degree.

Side-line Degrees came under many names: the Horse
Traders, Swords of Timbuktu, Yellow Dog, Mandarin, Mad
Dogs of Lebanon and many, many others. Often I would
wonder where the money that myself and others paid out
for these small pieces of cardboard [the valuable
membership card] was going to. Why I even joined the
Old Bastards. The money went and the number of
membership cards grew.

Slowly into my world of awareness came the realization
that all of this money paid out for the side-line
degrees was going to Shrine clubs, groups of
individuals and sometimes to single individuals. The
money paid for fine banquets and parties, material
objects, and sometimes went into an individuals
pocket. Furthermore, some of the Rituals left me
rather cold or in disgust. This could not be right.

What the Shriners needed was a new side-line degree,
one that had a new and interesting ritual, and above
all a purpose—namely that all profits would go for a
worthy cause, to help the children who were admitted
to the Shriners Hospitals. The members of this new
side-line degree must have some fun and enjoy the
activities so that he wanted his friends to also
participate, and help spread the word of the new
Degree. Rules must be drawn up to assure that all
profits went to help those crippled and burned
children of the Shriners Hospitals and for no other
purpose.

After discussing side-line degrees with a friend one
day back in 1969, 1 decided to see if I could put
something down in writing to establish such a new
degree. I could only draw upon my own
experiences--born and raised in the Hills of West
Virginia and now living in the hills of Kentucky. I
could recall the outhouse moon; which closely
resembled the Crescent, a symbol held in the highest
esteem by all Shriners. This somehow reminded me of
corn cobs, moonshine, etc. So I sat down and wrote.
Slowly the new Degree took substance and form

Now the Hillbilly Degree did not take form in a few
days; it really took several months and several
rewrites. The truth is, if I had it to do over, there
are a few other changes I would make. However, it
finally looked pretty good. Much better than most of
the other side-line degrees that I had taken.

Then I wrote a Constitution to assure that no one made
any money from this Hillbilly Degree--all profits must
go to help those crippled and burned children of the
Shriners Hospitals. Now we are ready to go, and a
couple of friends agreed to help me try out the new
Degree.

With the help of a couple of friends, it takes three
to put on the Degree work, we initiated a few of the
Shriners of El Hasa Temple in Ashland, Kentucky and
everyone seemed to enjoy it. So we realized that the
new Hillbilly Degree would be accepted at least as
well as the many other side-line degrees.

The next step was to obtain a copyright, so that no
group could come along later and put on this degree
and not abide by the rules that the profits must go to
help the crippled and burned children. This was what
it was all about. Thus copyright No. 23370 was
obtained in 1970 which can and will be renewed after
it expires. Now all that these first Hillbillies
received upon initiation was the membership cards. Now
we found a source for Hillbilly Hats, and everyone
started to wear their ‘Hillbilly Tuxedos," the
overalls to all meetings. The more worn and patched,
the better they were accepted. The Hillbilly Degree
was on the way, but we still thought of this as only a
local side-line degree for the El Hasa Temple area.

At the Imperial Shrine Convention in Miami, Florida in
1970 we decided to put the Hillbilly Degree work on.
Over a hundred joined from other Temples, and the
Shriners from Hejaz Temple in South Carolina wanted to
be authorized to put on this Hillbilly Degree and put
on the work in the name of their own Clan. This called
for some quick action.

Since it was apparent that The Grand and Glorious
Order of the Hillbilly Degree was a success, it was
important to tie up all the loose ends. A Trust
agreement was drawn up between the three officers
accepting the responsibility of control of any money
coming into their hands to be for the charitable
benefit of the crippled and burned children. Agreement
was certified and duly registered. An application was
filed with the Internal Revenue Service for exemption
from Federal income tax and was approved. Finally
approval was granted by the Board of Trustees of the
Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children to raise
money for the Shriners Hospitals.

Now, do you know of any other side-line degree in
Shrinedom that has received all of these approvals? If
you do, let me know so that I can apply for
membership.

An Application for Chapter was drawn up and the people
of South Carolina from Hejaz Temple were granted Clan
No. 2. Slowly the word went out and Kosair received
Clan No. 3. Beni Kedem in W. Va. asked for Clan No. 4
in 1971; and Syrian of Cincinnati received Clan No. 5
in 1972. Clan No. 6 at Nemesis of W. Va. was not set
up until 1974, Aladdin of Columbus, Ohio became Clan
No. 7.

No. 8 also went to Aladdin, the only Temple to have
two Clans. Then came Rajah, Bektash, Yaarab, Lulu,
Oasis, Murat, Kena, Al Koran, Acca and Morocco. Others
followed in Al Chymia, Crescent, Moslem, etc. to the
current total of 60 Clans as of Sept. 1981. Two are in
Canada.

AN INTERESTING NOTE FROM THE WEB SITE OF IMPERIAL
RABAN:

Imperial Raban Harris adds in a note
that there are 160 Clans at the beginning of 1999.



Future Clans will be duly noted in the Hillbilly News,
so you can follow history as it is made."

THESE OLD BASTARDS ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL THATS
IT...

The Imperial Potentate
http://www.shrinershq.org/Shrine/message/
usualy joins the elite of the Hillbilly Order at the
Bohemian Grove...
THIS ILLUMINATI PYRAMID OF THE SHRINERS LEADS
DIRECTELY TO MOLOCH A DEMONIC JINN
FROM ANCIENT TIMES...

MOLOCH

A divinity worshipped by the idolatrous Israelites.
The Hebrew pointing Molech does not represent the
original pronunciation of the name, any more than the
Greek vocalization Moloch found in the LXX and in the
Acts (vii, 43). The primitive title of this god was
very probably Melech, "king", the consonants of which
came to be combined through derision with the vowels
of the word Bosheth, "shame". As the word Moloch (A.V.
Molech) means king, it is difficult in several places
of the Old Testament to determine whether it should be
considered as the proper name of a deity or as a
simple appellative. The passages of the original text
in which the name stands probably for that of a god
are Lev., xviii, 21; xx, 2-5; III (A. V. I) Kings, xi,
7; IV (II) Kings, xxiii, 10; Is., xxx, 33; lvii, 9;
Jer., xxxii, 35.

The chief feature of Moloch's worship among the Jews
seems to have been the sacrifice of children, and the
usual expression for describing that sacrifice was "to
pass through the fire", a rite carried out after the
victims had been put to death. The special centre of
such atrocities was just outside of Jerusalem, at a
place called Tophet (probably "place of abomination"),
in the valley of Geennom. According to III (I) Kings,
xi, 7, Solomon erected "a temple" for Moloch "on the
hill over against Jerusalem", and on this account he
is at times considered as the monarch who introduced
the impious cult into Israel.





HOW CAN WE STILL SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP MOLOCH?
FREEMASONS WAKE UP TO THE SAD TRUTH:YOU ARE SUPPORTING
SATANISM-FULL STOP

Leo Lyon Zagami
now
Khaled Saifullah Khan

[leo]

Bohemian Grove Fact Sheet

What is the Bohemian Grove? The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains accommodation for 2000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club.

What is the Bohemian Club? The Bohemian Club is a private. all male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack of culture).

Who are the present members? The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates), because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and director; & CEO's of large corporations, including major financial institutions.

What industries are represented among the members? Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability.

The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley.

What activities take place at the grove? The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate on the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care", in which the members wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). Some (20%) engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of the many prostitutes who come from around the world for this event. Is any of this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants.

Besides this type of merriment. the annual gathering serves as an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful men in the country do their "networking" here, despite the Grove's motto "weaving spiders come not here" (don't do business in the Grove). At these gatherings men representing the government, military-industrial, and financial sectors meet and make major policy decisions. The Manhattan project, which produced the first atomic bombs, was conceived at the Grove in 1942. Other decisions made at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be. There are speeches, known as "Lakeside Talks", wherein high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not available to the public-at-large.

What are the topics of discussion at the Lakeside Talks?

THE SACRIFICE OF LITTLE CHILDREN TO MOLOCH BY A SICK MINORITY OF TRUE PERVERTS: THEIR MASTERS

What's not right about this?

EVERYTHING!

[Rosebery]

Moloch and The Shriners -:repost:

Cheers

[leo]

by Imperial Raban Harris

"Many years ago, shortly after I became a Shriner, I
was exposed to the world of side-line degrees. Now to
reach this point in life, a man must first become a
Mason. That is a member of the Masonic Lodge. This is
a very great organization, so like my father and
brothers, I was very proud to become a member.

Now that I was a Mason; I was promptly informed that I
must go on up." Some urged me to take the York Rites,
and some said take the Scottish Rites; some even said
to take both. This some of the best advice that I have
ever had that I followed. Now I was able to petition
and join the Shrine. Shrine Temples are in all areas
of North America and apparently these fellows have
fun.

So I became a Shriner. A Shriner is permitted to wear
the red fez and join in the many social and charitable
activities. He can join the Clown Unit, the Marching
Patrol, Oriental Band, or other groups and participate
in the colorful parades and be seen in many public
places. The social activities are many and always
proud to be helping support the Shriners Hospitals.
What could be finer than to have fun and help the
crippled and burned children at the same time?

At this point I was beginning to acquire a billfold
full of cards. Each of the Masonic organizations
issues their own annual card, and they soon add up.
Then the Temple issues a card; and each of the Units
also issues their own annual cards. Now a Shriner
becomes exposed to the world of side-line degrees.
Many Shriners loved to join as many as possible in
order to be able to display the membership
cards-sometimes dozens and dozens, and he is always
proudest if he has more than the other Shriner. It is
quite common to see Shriners have special card cases;
which they will flip out at the faintest hint to
unfold a strip of cards a yard or two long. This is
the world of the side-line degree.

Side-line Degrees came under many names: the Horse
Traders, Swords of Timbuktu, Yellow Dog, Mandarin, Mad
Dogs of Lebanon and many, many others. Often I would
wonder where the money that myself and others paid out
for these small pieces of cardboard [the valuable
membership card] was going to. Why I even joined the
Old Bastards. The money went and the number of
membership cards grew.

Slowly into my world of awareness came the realization
that all of this money paid out for the side-line
degrees was going to Shrine clubs, groups of
individuals and sometimes to single individuals. The
money paid for fine banquets and parties, material
objects, and sometimes went into an individuals
pocket. Furthermore, some of the Rituals left me
rather cold or in disgust. This could not be right.

What the Shriners needed was a new side-line degree,
one that had a new and interesting ritual, and above
all a purpose—namely that all profits would go for a
worthy cause, to help the children who were admitted
to the Shriners Hospitals. The members of this new
side-line degree must have some fun and enjoy the
activities so that he wanted his friends to also
participate, and help spread the word of the new
Degree. Rules must be drawn up to assure that all
profits went to help those crippled and burned
children of the Shriners Hospitals and for no other
purpose.

After discussing side-line degrees with a friend one
day back in 1969, 1 decided to see if I could put
something down in writing to establish such a new
degree. I could only draw upon my own
experiences--born and raised in the Hills of West
Virginia and now living in the hills of Kentucky. I
could recall the outhouse moon; which closely
resembled the Crescent, a symbol held in the highest
esteem by all Shriners. This somehow reminded me of
corn cobs, moonshine, etc. So I sat down and wrote.
Slowly the new Degree took substance and form

Now the Hillbilly Degree did not take form in a few
days; it really took several months and several
rewrites. The truth is, if I had it to do over, there
are a few other changes I would make. However, it
finally looked pretty good. Much better than most of
the other side-line degrees that I had taken.

Then I wrote a Constitution to assure that no one made
any money from this Hillbilly Degree--all profits must
go to help those crippled and burned children of the
Shriners Hospitals. Now we are ready to go, and a
couple of friends agreed to help me try out the new
Degree.

With the help of a couple of friends, it takes three
to put on the Degree work, we initiated a few of the
Shriners of El Hasa Temple in Ashland, Kentucky and
everyone seemed to enjoy it. So we realized that the
new Hillbilly Degree would be accepted at least as
well as the many other side-line degrees.

The next step was to obtain a copyright, so that no
group could come along later and put on this degree
and not abide by the rules that the profits must go to
help the crippled and burned children. This was what
it was all about. Thus copyright No. 23370 was
obtained in 1970 which can and will be renewed after
it expires. Now all that these first Hillbillies
received upon initiation was the membership cards. Now
we found a source for Hillbilly Hats, and everyone
started to wear their ‘Hillbilly Tuxedos," the
overalls to all meetings. The more worn and patched,
the better they were accepted. The Hillbilly Degree
was on the way, but we still thought of this as only a
local side-line degree for the El Hasa Temple area.

At the Imperial Shrine Convention in Miami, Florida in
1970 we decided to put the Hillbilly Degree work on.
Over a hundred joined from other Temples, and the
Shriners from Hejaz Temple in South Carolina wanted to
be authorized to put on this Hillbilly Degree and put
on the work in the name of their own Clan. This called
for some quick action.

Since it was apparent that The Grand and Glorious
Order of the Hillbilly Degree was a success, it was
important to tie up all the loose ends. A Trust
agreement was drawn up between the three officers
accepting the responsibility of control of any money
coming into their hands to be for the charitable
benefit of the crippled and burned children. Agreement
was certified and duly registered. An application was
filed with the Internal Revenue Service for exemption
from Federal income tax and was approved. Finally
approval was granted by the Board of Trustees of the
Shriners Hospitals for Crippled Children to raise
money for the Shriners Hospitals.

Now, do you know of any other side-line degree in
Shrinedom that has received all of these approvals? If
you do, let me know so that I can apply for
membership.

An Application for Chapter was drawn up and the people
of South Carolina from Hejaz Temple were granted Clan
No. 2. Slowly the word went out and Kosair received
Clan No. 3. Beni Kedem in W. Va. asked for Clan No. 4
in 1971; and Syrian of Cincinnati received Clan No. 5
in 1972. Clan No. 6 at Nemesis of W. Va. was not set
up until 1974, Aladdin of Columbus, Ohio became Clan
No. 7.

No. 8 also went to Aladdin, the only Temple to have
two Clans. Then came Rajah, Bektash, Yaarab, Lulu,
Oasis, Murat, Kena, Al Koran, Acca and Morocco. Others
followed in Al Chymia, Crescent, Moslem, etc. to the
current total of 60 Clans as of Sept. 1981. Two are in
Canada.

AN INTERESTING NOTE FROM THE WEB SITE OF IMPERIAL
RABAN:

Imperial Raban Harris adds in a note
that there are 160 Clans at the beginning of 1999.



Future Clans will be duly noted in the Hillbilly News,
so you can follow history as it is made."

THESE OLD BASTARDS ARE THE WORK OF THE DEVIL THATS
IT...AND THEY SPREAD LIKE RABBITS....

The Imperial Potentate
http://www.shrinershq.org/Shrine/message/
usualy joins the elite of the Hillbilly Order at the
Bohemian Grove...
THIS ILLUMINATI PYRAMID OF THE SHRINERS LEADS
DIRECTELY TO MOLOCH A DEMONIC JINN
FROM ANCIENT TIMES...

MOLOCH

A divinity worshipped by the idolatrous Israelites.
The Hebrew pointing Molech does not represent the
original pronunciation of the name, any more than the
Greek vocalization Moloch found in the LXX and in the
Acts (vii, 43). The primitive title of this god was
very probably Melech, "king", the consonants of which
came to be combined through derision with the vowels
of the word Bosheth, "shame". As the word Moloch (A.V.
Molech) means king, it is difficult in several places
of the Old Testament to determine whether it should be
considered as the proper name of a deity or as a
simple appellative. The passages of the original text
in which the name stands probably for that of a god
are Lev., xviii, 21; xx, 2-5; III (A. V. I) Kings, xi,
7; IV (II) Kings, xxiii, 10; Is., xxx, 33; lvii, 9;
Jer., xxxii, 35.

The chief feature of Moloch's worship among the Jews
seems to have been the sacrifice of children, and the
usual expression for describing that sacrifice was "to
pass through the fire", a rite carried out after the
victims had been put to death. The special centre of
such atrocities was just outside of Jerusalem, at a
place called Tophet (probably "place of abomination"),
in the valley of Geennom. According to III (I) Kings,
xi, 7, Solomon erected "a temple" for Moloch "on the
hill over against Jerusalem", and on this account he
is at times considered as the monarch who introduced
the impious cult into Israel.

HOW CAN WE STILL BE IN THE HANDS OF DEGENERATE INDIVIDUALS THAT
WORSHIP MOLOCH?

Leo Lyon Zagami
now
Khaled Saifullah Khan
MOLOCH AND THE SHRINERS

[kr00k]

I confirm that Molekh or Melekh means King in hebrew , in arabic it is Malek and sometimes it is confused with Maalek which means also the owner , it is in fact one of the 99 names of ALLAH ................
do not blame what the jews do on the prophet of Allah Solomon , he did not start the Molech cult, he most certainely taught them to worship one unique God but we know how it ended up , it could not end up better than with Moses who saved them from a long lasting slavery and taught them the cult of one single GOD , just to have them turn to worship the golden veal just few days after the absence of Moses .....!!!!!!!!!:crazy:

by the way the sacrifice of children by the jews is very real and well documented , not only for Moloch , I think they use children's blood is some sick rituals of theirs ...and that's why they were banned from many places in Europe where they were caught in the fact , take for example the city of Trento in your country where the jews were banned untill very recently when the ban was lifted .......

[leo]

It seems that "Truth seeker " from Norway is actualy illuminati infiltrator and satanist John Faerset from the following illuminati infedel Orders:
Golden Dawn
Secretary of the Ordo Templi Orientis/illuminati in Oslo
member of OMS(Martinist illuminati)
AMORC
AMOOKOS
AND THE INNER CIRCLE OF THE CHURCH OF SATAN IN SWEDEN.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WE HAVE MANY SPIES AROUND AND SOME PRETY NASTY ONE AS JOHN FAERSET IS PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CLOSING OF MY PREVIOUS SITE; HE IS SOMEBODY WHO IS DEEPLY SATANIC AND HIGHLY DANGEROUS AS HE WORKS WITH THE JESUITS AND SMOM.

FR.'.John Faerset secretary of the Ordo Templi Orientis might give you some surprises if we get to unveil is true demonic nature.A puppet of the illuminati thats why I have officialy sent a message to my Embassy (Italy) to warn them of these dangerous Norwegian satanist after my kids and wanting to always destroy my life if I refuse to serve them.But my site is gonna stay there illuminati suckers!



Leo Lyo Zagami
now
Khaled Saifullah Khan

[Rosebery]

Quote:MOLOCH AND THE SHRINERS

"let me answer partially to your questions : first of all Islam does not have symbols sacred or non
sacred , Islam does not use symbols and does not give any importance to them , so whoever claims that the
crescent or the sword is an islamic symbol is a plain liare ...The shriners are not muslems , they are an
american massonic order that have nothing to do with Islam , and they can claim for themselves whatever
they want ." Mr X

Did Mr X post this I thought it was kr00k?

Quote:I agree with Mr X........

So who is the mysterious Mr X? Oh - never mind!

Leo if you agree with that please answer consider these for me because I do believe there is symbology in Islam although I accept that the crescent is NOT an Islamic symbol.

Is not the Ka`bah surely a symbol to express the unity and the monotheistic origin of the Muslim faith?

"Salaam Alaikum" - the words are a symbol to express that a true Muslim can only be a well wisher toward all his brethren.

Also are not all forms of Muslim worship - including ablution, prayers, timings of the obligatory prayers, Hajj, fasting etc. - actually symbolic expressions of various realities and aspects that Muslims hold true?

Quote:............... had that the Shriner Order are a bunch of perverts and they have been kicked out of Mecca a long time ago for being judged as total infedels.

When was the Shrine EVER in Mecca in order to get kicked out? Surely it's only just finding it's way out of the States?

Quote:The exist two versions of the "illuminati" Shriners in the US and Europe, as number two was created to manipulate influential Black Americans from what is defined as Prince Hall Masonry (Freemasonry for blacks only).

Is EVERYBODY Illuminati?

Quote:I can also confirm from a personal experience that the Ritual of the Kissing of the Black Stone made by the Shriners is the most infedel ritual in the world, as these blasphemers kiss the ass of the Master in the Lodge/Temple and not the Black Stone at the Kaaba in Mecca this is disgracefull and offensive, it is a direct mockery of that solemn tradition in the life of all muslims.

I'm going to research this in relation to the Shrine.

BTW Kissing The Black Stone is, frankly, meaningless. First the Black Stone - Hajar al-Aswad - is NOT mentioned in the Quran. Second its real significance is as the marker of the point at which the pilgrim starts the Tawaaf (circumambulation of the Ka'aba as part of hajj or omra.) It's physical location is about five feet from the ground on the East corner of the Ka'aba (al-rukn al-Aswad). Even the traditions which talk about kissing or touching the stone are VERY CLEAR that the Stone is JUST A STONE!

Cheers

[leo]

They were kicked out of Mecca is well documented even by muslim scholars im sorry,
As Salam Aleikum
Khaled

[Rosebery]

Quote:They were kicked out of Mecca is well documented even by muslim scholars im sorry,
As Salam Aleikum
Khaled

OK - no problem I'll accept that. How about the rest of my post which is FAR more important.

Cheers

[leo]

I know its not a must to kiss the Black Stone but the Shriners are making a mockery of our religion in their Temple's and last year complains were even filed and released in open Lodge in London on the 29th of September 6005 about the illegal activities taking place in Shriners Temple's in the USA INCLUDING SNORTING COCAINE ON TOP ON THE HOLY QU'RAN WITH PROSTITUTES!

As Salam Aleikum
BETTER I DONT OPEN MY MOUTH OTHERWHISE THIS HOUSE OF CARDS FALL'S DOWN?
MI CAPISCI?

As Salam Aleikum
Khaled Saifullah Khan

[kr00k]

Quote:I know its not a must to kiss the Black Stone but the Shriners are making a mockery of our religion in their Temple's and last year complains were even filed and released in open Lodge in London on the 29th of September 6005 about the illegal activities taking place in Shriners Temple's in the USA INCLUDING SNORTING COCAINE ON TOP ON THE HOLY QU'RAN WITH PROSTITUTES!

As Salam Aleikum
BETTER I DONT OPEN MY MOUTH OTHERWHISE THIS HOUSE OF CARDS FALL'S DOWN?
MI CAPISCI?

As Salam Aleikum
Khaled Saifullah Khan

which house of cards are you talking about KhaLeo ?????

[leo]

MR X WAS BY THE WAY MY OWN INTERPRETATION OF SOMEBODY WITH A NICKNAME,
HOPE YOU DIDNT GET OFFENDED AS I WILL PUBLISH THAT SMALL PART IN AN ARTICLE.
THE HOUSE OF CARDS IS THE ILLUMINATI...AFTER 2012!
THANX
MRX NUMBER 2

[leo]

Going to sleep now,
Goodnight everybody,
Ciao and As Salam Aleikum