Religion Controls The Masses

[tsoldrin]

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Quote:This probably should have been qualified by saying "ORGANIZED" Religion.

nah....people can read the bible all alone and still wind up mind fucking themselves for it...

D... I love you for your boundless optimism! :)

Still... wouldn't you say, people can also read the bible on their own and get a lot of good stuff out of it? I would... in fact, I'd say that the stuff lone readers glean is probably the same stuff that most religious folks completely miss... (go figure!)... the good stuff. As it were.

[psilocybin]

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Quote:This probably should have been qualified by saying "ORGANIZED" Religion.

nah....people can read the bible all alone and still wind up mind fucking themselves for it...

D... I love you for your boundless optimism! :)

Still... wouldn't you say, people can also read the bible on their own and get a lot of good stuff out of it? I would... in fact, I'd say that the stuff lone readers glean is probably the same stuff that most religious folks completely miss... (go figure!)... the good stuff. As it were.

The good stuff. As it were, shouldn't shroud itself in a blanket of omnipotent righteousness.

[FighterFromAfar]

Or maybe, "the good stuff" was simply the common wisdom and philosophy of the time in which the Bible was written, and the author(s) of the Bible plagiarized the stories to serve their own purpose. To wit, I am speaking of the two creation stories in Genesis, the Great Flood, Noah, the Fall of Man and Samson and Delilah, both having parallels with the story of Osiris in Egyptian mythology, Orion in Greek mythos, the maiden of the well of the Story of the Grail (not plagiarism of course in the last case, but the last draws upon the same mythos), etc.

Even some of the Psalms may have been lifted from the Egyptians.

Look these up. Google them for yourselves. Or better yet, read it from Laura Knight Jadzcyk. http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave12a.htm

[tsoldrin]

Mifune, I think if you dig a little deeper, you'll find that those myths predate the Egyptians by quite a while and are more rightly attributed to the Sumerians. Of course you could take the Christian stance and say the Sumerians arent that old after all, but really, everyone knows that's bullshit right? In any case, almost every tale told in the Old Testament and also in ancient Egptian mythology is based on Sumerian literarture. Yes, it shatters a lot of ideas but nonetheless it is true. The question for me is... where did the Sumerians get it from? I'm thinking Atlanteans. (not by that name of course!).

Obviously, everything that 'borrowed' from these most ancient of all myths is bullshit... but we knew that anyway, didn't we?

[deathstickboy]

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Quote:This probably should have been qualified by saying "ORGANIZED" Religion.

nah....people can read the bible all alone and still wind up mind fucking themselves for it...

D... I love you for your boundless optimism! :)

Still... wouldn't you say, people can also read the bible on their own and get a lot of good stuff out of it? I would... in fact, I'd say that the stuff lone readers glean is probably the same stuff that most religious folks completely miss... (go figure!)... the good stuff. As it were.

Yeah well I can suggest a book with much better numbers, and much higher "good stuff as it were" ratio. Espeically because it presents its self as mythology and doesn't claim to be "the word of God".

The good stuff that is in the bible, didn't come from the bible. Its just the good aspects of humanity which should be common sense. Many bible readers are willing to use it to justify violence just as well as non-violence, its message is not universal, except on the one and only issue its really good for (IMO) and that is the concept of forgiveness.

[FighterFromAfar]

Quote:Mifune, I think if you dig a little deeper, you'll find that those myths predate the Egyptians by quite a while and are more rightly attributed to the Sumerians. Of course you could take the Christian stance and say the Sumerians arent that old after all, but really, everyone knows that's bullshit right? In any case, almost every tale told in the Old Testament and also in ancient Egptian mythology is based on Sumerian literarture. Yes, it shatters a lot of ideas but nonetheless it is true. The question for me is... where did the Sumerians get it from? I'm thinking Atlanteans. (not by that name of course!).

Obviously, everything that 'borrowed' from these most ancient of all myths is bullshit... but we knew that anyway, didn't we?

I believe I said, that "'the good stuff' was simply the common wisdom and philosophy of the time", referring to that mythology. And yes, they did draw from earlier sources such as Sumerians, Atlanteans, Lemurians, Hindus, Tibet, etc.

And tsoldrin, if you keep thinking like that, you'll continue to miss the diamonds in the rough. There is more to ancient mythology than mere whims and fairy-tales. Besides, how do we know? Have you ever experienced God first-hand? Can you say you have ever experienced what the Truth is? All you know at this point is, everything you've been told is wrong. About politics, history, etc.

Why not religion?

Be aware that you are seeking something.

Have you never felt the inner struggle, the quest of the soul? I have experienced this struggle myself. It's why we visit this forum. It's why we ask "Why".

Know that you have the power to find what you are looking for. Do not anticipate as to the nature of the truth, but have the docility, the humility to see the Truth for what it is.

You may find that some of your sacred cows will be killed in the process... but what you will gain in return is worth far more than the ignorant bliss of delusion.

[deathstickboy]

IMO, Myths are largely reflections of the human psyche, espeicially in regards to understanding the relationship between nature and consiousness. The astrological themes of this seem relevant to me, espeically in regards to the Zoroastrian angle to christianity.

For example, mithra's position and role in the Zoroastrian cosmology is identical to that of Jesus, especially the one in the Zuvanist sect which died out. I think it absorbed into christianity, one of the foremost early christian scholars converted from that sect.

Mithra was the sun in Aries, and part of his "resurection mythology" included him slaying a bull (taurus), while Jesus was the sun in Picses, and he was "the Lamb(ram) of God" in his "ressurection mythology".

The Magi who visited Jesus when he was a child play into this concept very well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magi

food for thought anyways.... :biggrin:

[tsoldrin]

This is one of the best threads I've seen here in a long long while. There is still something missing though. Original ideas. STOP citing other sources and be your own. You've got it within you. Why surrender to someone else's ideas? They can't possibly fit perfectly with your own woldview. Courage my friends, courage to differ and dissent.

[deathstickboy]

Is there REALLY such a thing as an original idea?
Personally I doubt it.... :tongue:

[tsoldrin]

Now you've opened up a can of worms that overflows. IS THERE REALLY ANY ORIGINAL IDEAS? When you sit back and think about it... well, that's what I'll do... letcha know if I ever reach the conlusion.

[Adonai]

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Is Also Enforced Through The Public School System By Instilling In You Since Childhood , The Concept Of 1 . 2 . 3 . EveryThing Is Taught To You In Threes , Your ABC's ; Your 1 .2. 3. 's Your Nouns , Persons , Places , And Things , The 3 Little Pigs , The Three 3 Bears , Etc .


In The Mode Of '' 1 , 2 , 3 '' Or '' Persons , Places , And Things '' Locked Within The 3 Dimension And There Is Nothing You Can Conceive That Does Not Fit In Either Of Those Categories . Everything Is In Some Way Based On The Number '' 3 '' , For Example ;

A . The Three R's =
1 , Reading 2. WRiting 3 . ARithmetic

B . The Trinity =
1 . The Father 2 . The Son 3 . The Holy Gost

C . The Bible - based on ;
1 , God 2 . Devil 3 . Humanity

D. Lifestyle concept =
1. Home 2 . Job 3 . Money in the Bank .

With these three methods , Religion , Media and Schools '' ( or sheow meaning '' Hell '' in the Aramic ( Hebrew ) language ) you have been Programmed From A Very Young Age , Even In SomeThing As Simple As Being Taught To Say ( Hell - o or '' Hell is Low '' ) . In All Their Religion , They Worship Hades - The UnderWorld ) . which is the Greek word for Hell . That's why they greet with '' hello '' and their ancient Greek religion and way of life culture and language are all based on the prefix Hell .

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ho-ly adj . ho-li'er , ho-li'est . 1 . Belonging to , derived from , or associated with a divine power ; sacred . Middle English holi . from Old English h'lig . See kailo - below

HALE , WHOLE , from Old English hale , whole ; b . WHOLESOME , from Old Eglish * HOLY , from Old English ho'lig . holy , sacred ; b , HALLOW , from Old English h'lgian , to consecrate , bless , from Germanic derivative verb * hailaga . Both a and b from Germanic * hailagaz .

Now , we LQQk up the word Hell according to the American Heritage Dictionary . Hellenism is today's holistic societies . Note the word Catholic as cat and Holistic . HELL , from Old English hell , hell ; b . HEL , from Old Norse Hel . the underworld . goddess of death Both a and b from Germanic * halja the underworld ( '' concealed place '' )

Ho - lis ' tic adj . 1 . Of or relating to holism . 2. a, Emphasizing the importance of the whole and the interdepenence of its parts . b . Concerned with wholes rather than analysis or separation into , Concerned with wholes rather than analysis or separation into parts ;

Hel ' lene also Hel ' le ' ni ' an --- n . A Greek .

Hel'le -nism n . 1 . An idiom or custom peculiar to the Greeks . 2 . The civilization and culture of ancient Greece . . 3 . Admiration for and adoption of Greek ideas , style , or culture .

Hel - len - ic adj . 1 . Of or relating to the ancient Hellenes , their language , or their history ; Greek ---- Hel - len - ic n . The Branch of the Indo-European Language family that consists only of Greek .

Hel - le - nist n 1 . One in Hellenistic times who adopted the Greek language and culture , especially a Jew Of the Diaspora . 2 . A devotee or student of Greek civization , language , or literature .

You Have Learned Not To Question Any That Is Taught To You . Not Even The Obvious Contradictions Or Thing That Lack Place Common Sense . You Don't Go Past What You Are Tod .