Ok! Here I Go Again, Is Lucifer Satan?

[lovelyk]

Quote:though he won't force you to smoke it

Although Satan & lucifer are just names of same character but i agree with the above statement.

Law of Free-will is universal and dieties can't interfere. However, they create circumstances where we choose THEIR will. Yet there are those who cross the line occasionly but then, they become weak and anyone with a strong will & knowledge can punish them.

We even choose (before birth) the life style, parents and circumstances that can lead to accomplish the task we have chosen to perform in this world. Failure to accomplish those tasks can invoke the hell state (with in us). achievements free our souls and we can thus live in a state of 'paradise'.

[skOh]

Lucifer is not Satan, or the name for the same deity as Satan. Lucifer, along alot of other names, came from an odd relation between two different verses in the bible.

Isaiah 14:12: Isaiah speaks to the King of Babylon "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!"

Afterward Jesus is known to say in Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

These two very different verses were for some reason linked together during translation, thus ending with the idea, that Lucifer is the name for Satan.

So in fact, Lucifer, in the bible, is the king of Babylon, not Satan

[Weyland]

Quote:Lucifer is not Satan, or the name for the same deity as Satan. Lucifer, along alot of other names, came from an odd relation between two different verses in the bible.

Isaiah 14:12: Isaiah speaks to the King of Babylon "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!"

Afterward Jesus is known to say in Luke 10:18 "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

These two very different verses were for some reason linked together during translation, thus ending with the idea, that Lucifer is the name for Satan.

So in fact, Lucifer, in the bible, is the king of Babylon, not Satan

You know I agree with your statements. Something is just not clear with satan and lucifer. And also the fact that
in Roman times the planet venus is Lucifer.

[Adonai]

( Shaytaan , Satan < Arabic > ( According To The Qur'aan )

El's Holy Qur'aan 2 ; 208 , And I Quote ; O You Who Are Faithful Enter Into < Al Silmi > The State Of Peace
( And Surrender Entirely , And Don't Follow In The Footsteps Of Shaytaan / Samael / Al Khannaas / Haylal , Satan , The Reptilian ) . Surely He ( Satan , The The Reptilian ) Is Your < Mubiyn > 'Clear Enemy .

Shaytaan Or Satan Is Referring To A Type Of Reptilian , Who Was Cast Out Of The Skies , Being Disagreeable . It Applies To People From The Black , Pale , Or Red Race , In The Koran 102 ; 20 They Are Called Mujriniyn '' Already Judged , Guilty . ''

When Nakhash , Or Al Shaytaan Was Cast From The Skies To Earth , And Took On A Body He Was A Shay - '' A Thing And A Tiyn '' From Clay '' Al Shaytaan Asked For Respite Until Judgement Day , In Order He May Prove The Seed Of Zakar To Be Unworthy To Enter Paradise ( Koran 15 ; 39 )

[skOh]

"You know I agree with your statements. Something is just not clear with satan and lucifer. And also the fact that
in Roman times the planet venus is Lucifer."

Well yes, kinda. But the word itself is Latin, consisting of lux, or lucis, meaning light and ferre, which means "to bear" or "to bring." So it's the 'Bearer of light', the morning star --> Venus.

But the bible, when written, was not Latin. So the word Lucifer never was on the bible in the first place. After a few translations the odd correlation between the books of Isaiah and Luke took place, and eventually in the King James's version the name Lucifer was directly given to describe Satan.

[tsoldrin]

I really don't care what name you call me by. Your souls are just as tasty as I devour them regardless.

[Adonai]

( Exactly Who Is Lucifer )

Lucifer also called Nakhas was an Extra Being Of Terra , or what you refer to as Extr-Terra-Astral , Or Extraterrestrial . He , Lucifer comes in many forms to trick and deceive you , ( The Faithful Ones ) . Lucifer , The Evil Reptilian who is also called Haylal in The Bible Book Of Isaiah 14;12 , Or Sama'el was number Three ( 3 ) of his order when you LQQk Up

The Name Haylal In Arabic it means '' To Shine , Gleam , Glow , Be Radiant , Cheer , To Raise Ones ' Voice , Rejoice , Exult . '' You can find this same root Halal Being used for Lucifer , Whose name in Hebrew is Haylal Spoken about in Isaiah 14;12 . The Christians that are singing Praises using Halleluia are really Praising Lucifer .

Old Testament - Isaiah 14;12 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; How Art Thou Fallen < Naphal > From Heaven < Shamayim > , O Lucifer < Heylele > , Son < Ben > Of The Morning < Shachar > < Yalal > How Are Thou Cut Down < Gada > To The Ground < Erets > Which Didst Weaken < Chalash > The Nations < Gowy >
'' How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifers , son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground , which didst weaken the nations .


However , When Lucifer was commissioned by The Supreme Being Murdoq Son Of Enqi And Damkina , He was designated as one of the One Hundred more able and brilliant personalities , In more than 7,00,000 of his kind . However , From such A magnificent

beginning through evil and erroe , He encouraged disagreeable acts Lucifer was So Self-Nourished to The Point Of Self- Deception , That he actually persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebelliousness was actually for the good of the system . If not of the universe .

Lucifer became insincere , And evil evolved into deliberate and willful , Diagreeable Acts . Lucifer believe that The Universal Father did not exist , And that physical Gravity and Space -Energy were inherent in The univers he believed that the Sustainer was A myth that invented by The Sarufaat .

To enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in their father's name The Sarufaat '' Seraheem '' Are Those Agreeable Being '' That founght with Murduq against The Dragon Haylal And His Garubaat Those Disagreeable Beings '' However . The Sarufaat Did Win .

Lucifer Believed That The Universal System Should Be Autonomous Or Self - Governing And Independent . He Protested Against The Right Of Murduk , Who Also Bore The Title Miyka'el Meaning , '' Who Dares To Be Like El '' , The Grandson Of The Most High Anu , '' The Heavenly One '' . He Was Willing To Acknowledge Murduk As His Creator - Father , But Not As His Rightful Ruler .

He Had Claimed That The Whole Plan Of Worship Was A Clever Sheme To Glorify The Neteraat ( Supreme Beings ) . He Had Totally Rebelled Against The Order Of Annu '' Re '' , The Highest , The Supreme Being Of The Sun That Gave Life To All ,

And So He Cause Mischief And War In The Heavens ( Revelation 12;7-9 ) . Do Not Fall Into The Delicacies Of Lucifer And His Host . Those Of You Who Are Faithful Must Reject Him And His Companions . Today His System Is Broken Up Into The Two Wings Of The Fallen Angel Right Here On Earth , Where They As Normal People . The Republican Party , The Left Wing And The Democratic Party The Right Wing Both In The Same Eagle Revelation 12;14 .

[skOh]

"Old Testament - Isaiah 14;12 ( In Aramic ) And I Quote ; How Art Thou Fallen < Naphal > From Heaven < Shamayim > , O Lucifer < Heylele > , Son < Ben > Of The Morning < Shachar > < Yalal > How Are Thou Cut Down < Gada > To The Ground < Erets > Which Didst Weaken < Chalash > The Nations < Gowy >
'' How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifers , son of the morning ! how art thou cut down to the ground , which didst weaken the nations ."

In that verse Isaiah speaks to the king on Babylon

[The Doctor]

Quote:Law of Free-will is universal and dieties can't interfere. However, they create circumstances where we choose THEIR will. Yet there are those who cross the line occasionly but then, they become weak and anyone with a strong will & knowledge can punish them.

Sure they can. Ask anyone that's ever 'gotten the spirit' or been moved to do something by 'a higher power'.

The question is... what would it get Them? What purpose would it serve?

[yeti]

Quote:Satan, Devil, Lucifer .. all the same sick bastard fallen angel to me.

The NWO love people like you... so easy to manipulate.

[yeti]

Anyone who equates Lucifer with Satan is a fool or a liar.

[Moriani]

Quote:You know I agree with your statements. Something is just not clear with satan and lucifer. And also the fact that in Roman times the planet venus is Lucifer.

You just answered your own question. You correctly wrote it as "satan." It's a noun, but not a proper noun. Hebrew is connotial, so the exact meaning depends on the context, but "accuser" is one possible translation, if not the best for that context.

The story was known to the Hebrews through the Akkadian Abrahm/Abraham. Over those 18 centuries, the meaning of the story, if not most of the story, got convoluted.

You can see that, since Abrahm/Abraham used to climb the steps of the ziggurat with his father Terah for the New Year celebration and each night, for 7 nights in a row, would read the 1st tablet on the 1st night, the 2nd tablet on the 2nd night and so on, from the 7 tablets of creation. In reality, there were only 6 tablets of creation, with the 7th tablet extolling the virtues of the whatever deity.

Over the next 15 to 18 centuries, it got corrupted to "god created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th."

The old testament is really bad for pre-history. You have to read the older sources from 4,000 and 5,000 years earlier if you want accurate information.

The old testament is great for then-current events, like in Kings and Chronicles etc.

And when looking at the gospels, they were constantly re-written to reflect changing myths and views. You can find copies of Luke that vary greatly, and not all copies mention the sermon on the mount or the resurection.

[lovelyk]

Quote:Sure they can. Ask anyone that's ever 'gotten the spirit' or been moved to do something by 'a higher power'.

The question is... what would it get Them? What purpose would it serve?

Question should be: How can a spirit enters into one's body and can't enter into someone else's?

because of spiritual & physical weakness.

e.g. When a person is 'drunk' his/her aura i.e. a shield around each one of us, weakens. That, is the oppertunity for a spirit to move in and possess. Similarly, someother sins causes spirit possessions. But when a spirit voilates Free will, she's prone to punishment. A person with strong spirituality or will power or a strong believer of positive can take the spirit out. Some can even deport the spirit to realms of Hell.

As for purpose, there are different kind of entities. Some ppl do command these entities and they can send these demonic beings to punish someone. Also, there are wandering spirits, earth bound, unable to move forward and willing to prey upon innocents to fullfill their own eartly desires that are still attached to them.

[lovelyk]

Also there are entities that can possess someone upon invitation. Those entities can be good or bad depending upon the host's intentions.

[mushty]

Quote:. But then another note, maybe the secret societies are right in infiltrating LAW and getting rid of bullshit religions. I keep asking the questions and the answers just aint clear cut enough. I guess I need to keep on studying till I find the right answer.

The Secret Societies are NOT getting rid of any Bullshit religions, but they have created Many, and are only tying to Crush the Truth.

Seek the Lord and He may be Found, you only need to open your eyes :grin:


Back to the question:

Satan is a hebrew word Meaning "accuser", and was a fallen angel who rebeled against god, satan and the Devil are the same.

Devil derives from old english meaning "slanderer"

Lucifer is a latin word maning "light bearer", and also commonly asscociated with satan and the devil, although some belive him to be a cherub.

Hope that sums it up! :biggrin:


I think they are all one and the same, just diffrent cultural words.