Brainwashing In Music

[Spoox]

What are your opinions on this particular case?

http://www.csicop.org/si/9611/judas_priest.html

Can a subliminal message induce someone to commit suicide?
This was the central question at the Judas Priest trial

[Nyte]

TeslaandLyne become a rapper

[TeslaandLyne]

Quote:TeslaandLyne become a rapper

ken rasmussen william lyne tesla
Ken Rasmussen w William Lyne - Tesla and Suppressed Technology 14mar07 .mp3

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4YPLOQV4

I just posted a Lyne interview... since I always use his material I could just rap it.

Yet I like to take off on his ideas and advance further conspiratorial ideas.
It might be good to put down the foundation.

I only have blues patterns and can't tell if I'll ever finish up on piranhas
and others which are instructional and not brainwashing.. its going against the
brainwashing of 9/11 and atomic energy promoted by Tesla.

I do think blues and not rap or hip hip is the way to go on these topics.
I guess I'm rapping as I go along on the net posting.

[TeslaandLyne]

Anti inside jobbers music...

The Prison Planet (I Fought Piranhas)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cntO2-gt6IU

Tribute to Documentary Filmmaker and radio personality Alex Jones.

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Why do they lie about Tesla, 9/11/01 and JFK; they work for the CFR/TC, the MIC and many outside groups, who are all inside jobbers. Did the A bombs for arrive on the B-29s with German makings but we have been told Germany was so far behind. The Electro-U-boats also helped establish the MIC, hope you find out how Tesla helped.

They already did the song... for Alex Jones.

I'll do it live and dedicate it to Tesla I suppose.

[drew hempel]

Westerners have no idea about the secret power of music. I've done a lot of research on this. Yin and yang are the same as the perfect 5th and 4th music ratios -- used in NONwestern music. So all of western music cuts off the natural resonance of sound through the whole energy spectrum for healing as a return to pure consciousness. For this reason westerners are literally the UnDead -- trapped in a left-brain reality, cut off from their emotions, controlled by the commodity fetish, etc.

My current favorite c.d. is "Kenya and Tanzania: Witchcraft and Ritual Music" -- this is the REAL stuff -- music as it's supposed to be -- for natural energy healing.

Over and Over....

[shZ]

Quote:Man I would have thought this was a no-brainer. Of course music brainwashes. Across the board. It has the power to move you in ways you would never imagine. It is an opiate in and of itself. The words and the music itself. It can work both ways, either in good ways or bad ways. Often it's the content, the words that play on your sub-conscience, those words that you think you don't hear but you do hear. The tones play on parts of your body. It's very complex but if I had to judge by today's pop music, rock, country etc., yes, it's absolute brainwashing especially if that is it's intent.

Who can't say they weren't influenced by a band? I know people who changed their own personal beliefs because of music and the musicians they follow. I.e. the Beatles and the impact they had on a generation of youth was almost phenomenol. Personal choice? Yes, but the music and the message in many instances was a form of gentle programming if not outright.

When I listenstened to much rock I often wanted to punch a wall. When I listened to rebellious rock, I too became rebellious at times. There was a time when rock music dominated my life, a very short part of it anyway and I took on the attitude of the performer. When I listen to classical, I feel calm almost sedated at times and their is some proof that it can raise the IQ and some of the scores are in tune with the natural rhythms of the body. I once read a piece about how rock music affects your heart beat and not in such a good way.

Hell there are even music files posted on the tracker that change ones mood, or they lay the claim and I have witnessed testimony to suggest as much.

Garbage in, garbage out. Pretty elementary stuff. Good stuff in, good stuff out. You have to be conscientious of what you are listening to, much like the evening news. ;)

Agreed.

[triplesix]

Quote:

Quote:Man I would have thought this was a no-brainer. Of course music brainwashes. Across the board. It has the power to move you in ways you would never imagine. It is an opiate in and of itself. The words and the music itself. It can work both ways, either in good ways or bad ways. Often it's the content, the words that play on your sub-conscience, those words that you think you don't hear but you do hear. The tones play on parts of your body. It's very complex but if I had to judge by today's pop music, rock, country etc., yes, it's absolute brainwashing especially if that is it's intent.

Who can't say they weren't influenced by a band? I know people who changed their own personal beliefs because of music and the musicians they follow. I.e. the Beatles and the impact they had on a generation of youth was almost phenomenol. Personal choice? Yes, but the music and the message in many instances was a form of gentle programming if not outright.

When I listenstened to much rock I often wanted to punch a wall. When I listened to rebellious rock, I too became rebellious at times. There was a time when rock music dominated my life, a very short part of it anyway and I took on the attitude of the performer. When I listen to classical, I feel calm almost sedated at times and their is some proof that it can raise the IQ and some of the scores are in tune with the natural rhythms of the body. I once read a piece about how rock music affects your heart beat and not in such a good way.

Hell there are even music files posted on the tracker that change ones mood, or they lay the claim and I have witnessed testimony to suggest as much.

Garbage in, garbage out. Pretty elementary stuff. Good stuff in, good stuff out. You have to be conscientious of what you are listening to, much like the evening news. ;)

Agreed.

But does that speak about the music or the suggestibility of certain people? I say the latter. What induces one person to commit suicide may just induce me to rock out.

[lilmatty]

just finished reading the thread. Music is a combination of three factors then subdivisons of each.

1.Rhythm
- the division of time
2.melody
- a series of note equating a mood/idea
3.harmony
- two or more notes played simutaniouslly

there's really only three sounds in music.

1 major - happy
2 minor - sad
3 diminished(dominant included in dimished sound) - somewhere in between those two ideas / moods

im a guitarist so im a little rusty on the whole rhytm thing

stacao legato cradenza - on and on .... rhythmic feels
2/4 - mardh
3/4 - waltz,polka
4/4 - pop, rock, common
5/4 - weird one
6/8, 7/8,9/8 ......on and on
12/8 i think thats a blues shuffle

rhytm can really mess with you... listen to a band call messugah... and tool is a nother one. even peter gabriel,... alot of prog rock stuff.

now in western musicm as far as i know, the octave(8 tones) is subdivided by the golden ratio (pythagorus),using different combination of half and whole steps to make up the Major scale (doh a deer a female deer...). Math guys can tell you the specifics about the frequencies.

in eastern music, which i haven't studied... i believe there's 24 tones which also uses the golden ratio but uses quarter and half steps in relation to the more familiar western scale.


from the little i know of chinese/oriental music - i believe its based on a 5 note or pentatonic system.


so any combination of the "elemets of music" create a mood or a feeling within the listener. It does "control" the individual to certain point. Think about going to yor favorite bands concert and the butterflies you get. Or the mosh pit or just weird behavior you see at shows that would be completely unexceptable anywhere else. Hell try not to fall asleep listening to vivaldi's 4 seasons.


There is a different perception of music from the musicians standpoint then that of the listeners and YES you can manipulate people.

The less knowledgable of music they are the easier it is to impress upon them.



hope that give everyonehere an insight on why they likesten to the bands and music they do

[mastermg]

Your probably also right but I learned that music consists of these three things: dynamics (loudness, softness), Timbre (the varied instruments), and Rhythm (speed).

[humbug]

external shocks influence people. western music influences in a negative way since its based on a lie. zombiemusic - i agree. emotions should be produced from the inside

our problem is we are too nice, every musician should kneel before people who actually like the subjective crap he or she produces. if musicians intentions were truly good more people would study the basics (oh but thats uncool, math & emotions are "incompatible").

it would be nice to see people making their own instruments & sound instead of copycatting their brainwashed programmers.

spears, chilli peppers, bungle, techno, rap its all crap. which we like is totally subjective and of course we are prone to like junk music, just as we like junk food, sometimes

ever thought about why you like the music you like, be honest to yourself, was it your choice? or is our taste just the product of the many times we have been shocked by insistent egomaniacs?


edit: hey posers, leave us kids alone !!

[Easy Skanking]

Make my funk the P-Funk.
I want my funk uncut.
Make my funk the P-Funk.
I wants to get funked up.

[humbug]

Your lips say one thing
But the drugs say another
How can I massage
This inter-galactic ulcer?

Goodbye sober day

Hello milky way...

Pin my ear to the wisdom post
Hang me up and drain me dry
Mend my shipwrecked spirit
Lift the veil from my eyes

Goodbye sober day
The years grew wings and flew away

Ghosts of the past become barbarians
Of the future...
And I still pity you
Because what you said was true

Goodbye sober day
Hello milky way...

May your sun be blown out just like a candle
May your sea burn like tar
May your sky be rolled up like a scroll
May your blue moon drip with blood

What would they say
If you went up in smoke?
If I dug you up
And made soup of your bones?

Goodbye sober day



Well why not. Lets get funked!

[drew hempel]

Well Plato's Timeaus and the Myth of Er established the diatonic 7 tone scale -- it uses 9/8 and 3/4 and 2/3 but also the Pythagorean Comma. In other words you can't divide the scale evenly using fifths -- the difference between seven octaves and 12 fifths (the chromatic scale).

So Plato stated EACH CITIZEN MUST BE COMPROMISED FOR THE GOOD OF THE STATE.

Plato outlawed all music excpet for modes (two of them) which created compliance to the state and a military mode -- the major and minor mode.

So all of western music is mind control. for more details see http://mothershiplanding.blogspot.com my blog book.

[shZ]

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Quote:Man I would have thought this was a no-brainer. Of course music brainwashes. Across the board. It has the power to move you in ways you would never imagine. It is an opiate in and of itself. The words and the music itself. It can work both ways, either in good ways or bad ways. Often it's the content, the words that play on your sub-conscience, those words that you think you don't hear but you do hear. The tones play on parts of your body. It's very complex but if I had to judge by today's pop music, rock, country etc., yes, it's absolute brainwashing especially if that is it's intent.

Who can't say they weren't influenced by a band? I know people who changed their own personal beliefs because of music and the musicians they follow. I.e. the Beatles and the impact they had on a generation of youth was almost phenomenol. Personal choice? Yes, but the music and the message in many instances was a form of gentle programming if not outright.

When I listenstened to much rock I often wanted to punch a wall. When I listened to rebellious rock, I too became rebellious at times. There was a time when rock music dominated my life, a very short part of it anyway and I took on the attitude of the performer. When I listen to classical, I feel calm almost sedated at times and their is some proof that it can raise the IQ and some of the scores are in tune with the natural rhythms of the body. I once read a piece about how rock music affects your heart beat and not in such a good way.

Hell there are even music files posted on the tracker that change ones mood, or they lay the claim and I have witnessed testimony to suggest as much.

Garbage in, garbage out. Pretty elementary stuff. Good stuff in, good stuff out. You have to be conscientious of what you are listening to, much like the evening news. ;)

Agreed.

But does that speak about the music or the suggestibility of certain people? I say the latter. What induces one person to commit suicide may just induce me to rock out.

I agree, but most people are extremely suggestible and weak, I'm sure you already know that. Do the math, and calculate the social impact :wink:.

[proteinspill]

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