Brainwashing In Music

[Easy Skanking]

Well, yeah. That's the whole point of black metal. Shocking to everyone and full of Satanic references and against Christianity. That's why it's called "black" as in "black magic". They sure aren't secretive about it and are not trying to hide anything. About half of those guys are actually Satan-worshipers, King Diamond and Mayhem, being the prime examples. The rest are doing it for shock value. You all should really watch "Metal: A Headbangers Journey" if you want to get the a good overview of it. It is an anthropological and cultural study of metal from the roots to today. It's the next best thing to growing up with metal like I did. I would suggest doing research before being judgmental on metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal:_A_Head...r's_Journey
http://www.metalhistory.com/

Dunn also did a companion documentary about Black Metal which I can't find the title for. Personally, I don't listen to black metal as I think it sucks but I will still defend it as an artform. :wink: The same thing was said of Alice Cooper and Kiss.
As far as brainwashing goes, I would say it's no more guilty than Christian metal is and significantly more palatable...but that's personal taste. Anyone remember the horridness that was Stryper? :barf:

There are so many genres of metal, it's not funny. Look at this family tree for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metal_Genealogy.jpg

One of my favorite quotes for people that take music too seriously:
"So just shut your face and take a seat
Because after all, you're just talking meat...and music?
Well, it's just entertainment folks."
- Devin Townsend, "Earth Day"

Metal is not for everyone. Some people just don't get it and some people have metal in their veins... like me! :headbash:

[ephilution]

Quote:Well, yeah. That's the whole point of black metal. Shocking to everyone and full of Satanic references and against Christianity. That's why it's called "black" as in "black magic". They sure aren't secretive about it and are not trying to hide anything. About half of those guys are actually Satan-worshipers, King Diamond and Mayhem, being the prime examples. The rest are doing it for shock value. You all should really watch "Metal: A Headbangers Journey" if you want to get the a good overview of it. It is an anthropological and cultural study of metal from the roots to today. It's the next best thing to growing up with metal like I did. I would suggest doing research before being judgmental on metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal:_A_Head...r's_Journey
http://www.metalhistory.com/

Dunn also did a companion documentary about Black Metal which I can't find the title for. Personally, I don't listen to black metal as I think it sucks but I will still defend it as an artform. :wink: The same thing was said of Alice Cooper and Kiss.
As far as brainwashing goes, I would say it's no more guilty than Christian metal is and significantly more palatable...but that's personal taste. Anyone remember the horridness that was Stryper? :barf:

There are so many genres of metal, it's not funny. Look at this family tree for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Metal_Genealogy.jpg

One of my favorite quotes for people that take music too seriously:
"So just shut your face and take a seat
Because after all, you're just talking meat...and music?
Well, it's just entertainment folks."
- Devin Townsend, "Earth Day"

Metal is not for everyone. Some people just don't get it and some people have metal in their veins... like me! :headbash:

Metal is versatile enough to lay claim to a diverse and wide audience. Although I don't like the more satanically inspired styles, (even) I do enjoy certain kinds of metal and I consider the band System o/a Down among my favorites.

Brainwashing is the issue in this thread and I regard bands with a penchant for the devil (so to speak) tend to transmit their affection for the dark side through their lyrics and symbolic references and sigils on to their fans, be it intentionally or unintentionally. Through this communication channel 'metal heads' may find themselves more susceptible to join satanically inspired cults and societies. Call it recruitment grounds for the earthly legions of Satan, if you will.

I have quite a few metal headed friends and I have nothing but respect for all more 'benign' sorts of metal, trust me....

[Easy Skanking]

Quote:Brainwashing is the issue in this thread and I regard bands with a penchant for the devil (so to speak) tend to transmit their affection for the dark side through their lyrics and symbolic references and sigils on to their fans, be it intentionally or unintentionally. Through this communication channel 'metal heads' may find themselves more susceptible to join satanically inspired cults and societies. Call it recruitment grounds for the earthly legions of Satan, if you will.

I have the same problem with Christian metal. I feel they are being brainwashed into a cult that emphasizes non-thinking, conformity, fanaticism and prejudice. Personally I think both are misled but Satanic Metal folks are a little easier to get along with from my experience. They are more thinking than Christian metal folks and more accepting of individuality. That's one of their tenets. They don't try to convert you or witness for you or shove Christ down your throat.

Christian metal shows freak me out. All of these kids with their eyes glazed over in holy fervor accepting they are the ones on the right path to rock for God. It's too much like a Nuremberg rally for my taste.

[ephilution]

The kinds of music I would regard as particularly brainwashing other than mesmerizing black metal I would suggest all those that emphasize extraordinary esteem of material wealth. This would range from Material Girl Madonna type of stuff to all this R&B garbage. Their stars all drive around in the most expensive cars, dress up in the most fancy cloths, and wear the most exquisite jewelry while all this decadence is enveloped by the most lavish and costly music-videos. I think that people who identify themselves with this kind of Kitch Kulture tend to set out to waste their money on the same extravagant commodities their idols are (implicitly) advertising in their music-videos. In other words, the fans are being pushed to consume, which is of course precisely the aim of the commercial industry. Coincidence? I think not. Brainwashing at work.... check.

A similar manipulating mechanism is at work in the hip hop culture. Aside from the obvious parallels with R&B in that it also urges their fanbase to go and spend as much of their money as possible on lavish outfits, rides, and what not, their is an additional force of persuasion at work. And that is the stimulation to rebel, be tough, be cool (or cold, depending on your perspective), to debase women, and most importantly to be violent and to glorify and idolize gangs. I'm not saying that everybody who listens to gangsta rap necessarily becomes a gangster but under the right conditions and with the right type of mindsets the threshold to join gangs and as such become a menace to society has likely shrunk with the advent of gangsta rap. Coincidence? In light of the old masonic/Hegelian adage Ordo Ab Chao, I think not... Brainwashing at work... damn right homes.

[ephilution]

Quote:

Quote:Brainwashing is the issue in this thread and I regard bands with a penchant for the devil (so to speak) tend to transmit their affection for the dark side through their lyrics and symbolic references and sigils on to their fans, be it intentionally or unintentionally. Through this communication channel 'metal heads' may find themselves more susceptible to join satanically inspired cults and societies. Call it recruitment grounds for the earthly legions of Satan, if you will.

I have the same problem with Christian metal. I feel they are being brainwashed into a cult that emphasizes non-thinking, conformity, fanaticism and prejudice. Personally I think both are misled but Satanic Metal folks are a little easier to get along with from my experience. They are more thinking than Christian metal folks and more accepting of individuality. That's one of their tenets. They don't try to convert you or witness for you or shove Christ down your throat.

Christian metal shows freak me out. All of these kids with their eyes glazed over in holy fervor accepting they are the ones on the right path to rock for God. It's too much like a Nuremberg rally for my taste.

I think it is safe to say that since all major religions have been corrupted and have traded their spiritual ideology for a more subversive one, you can expect that religion in whatever expression or form aims at subduing and controlling the mind. So I agree with you that Christian metal is likely to be quite brainwashing. I'm not bashing Christians here folks. Soundness of heart and mind, expressed in respect for fellow human beings, is more important I think than mere religious affiliation of whatever kind.

[psilocybin]

Quote:One obvious is their on drugs.

This response is naive at best.


Any ways, from what I understand, there isn't brainwashing in the music itself, but the choice of what's released is more of the control factor.

There's big honcho's, so far removed from the average person, making decisions on what people want to hear. Of course they are wrong, which history will prove with bands like Pink Floyd, who made DSOTM as the last album in their contract, only to have it go crazy popular. The Execs thought it was going to be a flop, but real people don't think like this.

I think it's more of a homogenization, rather than brainwashing. One thing you can count on though. I'm sure that nobody in a position of power wants some '60's style grassroots movement to spring up from the music industry, so don't count on anything cool being released from a major label.

[ephilution]

THE BRAINWASHING INFLUENCE OF MUSIC + VIOLENT IMAGES - SUBJECT FOR DEBATE

Quote:The use of emotions in the classroom is relatively new; however, learning by repetition is not and was once traditionally employed as a major teaching method. We are all aware of the destructive results achieved by brainwashing techniques incorporating constant repetition, yet many parents from all walks of life unwittingly purchase equipment which can brainwash their children (and sometimes themselves), with repetitive sounds and music which are not only capable of blocking out creative thought, but which can also team limited thoughts with visual violence and pleasurable emotions so that the three are mentally linked together for evermore.

http://www.musicalenglishlessons.org/bibi/...lence+music.htm

The Battle For Your Mind
Persuasion & Brainwashing Techniques Being Used On The Public Today

Quote:If you'd like to see a revivalist preacher at work, there are probably several in your city. Go to the church or hall early and sit in the rear, about three-quarters of the way back. Most likely repetitive music will be played while the people come in for the service. A repetitive beat, ideally ranging from 45 to 72 beats per minute (a rhythm close to the beat of the human heart), is very hypnotic and can generate an eyes-open altered state of consciousness in a very high percentage of people. And, once you are in a relaxed "alpha" state, you are at least 25 times as suggestible as you would be in alert "beta" consciousness. The music is probably the same for every service, or incorporates the same beat, and many of the people will go into an altered state almost immediately upon entering the sanctuary. Subconsciously, they recall their state of mind from previous services and respond according to the post-hypnotic programming.

http://www.trans4mind.com/spiritual/brainwashing.htm

Knock yourselves out:
http://www.google.com/search?q=brainwashing+music

[Reboot]

Baseketball - Radio Song

Music Video - IMDb

[MC David]

Reggae puts me in a state of euphoria. Stuff like Horace Andy, Junior Reid, Don Carlos Barrington Levy. The best ever.

One kind of music I do think is brainwashing is emo. Seriously, it has such an angst ridden wistful vibe to it there is no reason to waste your time with that stuff. Not that too many people here probably would, but I listed to it for a short time 6-7 years ago, stuff like Jimmy Eat World, The Get Up Kids, uhk :yuck:

[rockclimber]

Man I would have thought this was a no-brainer. Of course music brainwashes. Across the board. It has the power to move you in ways you would never imagine. It is an opiate in and of itself. The words and the music itself. It can work both ways, either in good ways or bad ways. Often it's the content, the words that play on your sub-conscience, those words that you think you don't hear but you do hear. The tones play on parts of your body. It's very complex but if I had to judge by today's pop music, rock, country etc., yes, it's absolute brainwashing especially if that is it's intent.

Who can't say they weren't influenced by a band? I know people who changed their own personal beliefs because of music and the musicians they follow. I.e. the Beatles and the impact they had on a generation of youth was almost phenomenol. Personal choice? Yes, but the music and the message in many instances was a form of gentle programming if not outright.

When I listenstened to much rock I often wanted to punch a wall. When I listened to rebellious rock, I too became rebellious at times. There was a time when rock music dominated my life, a very short part of it anyway and I took on the attitude of the performer. When I listen to classical, I feel calm almost sedated at times and their is some proof that it can raise the IQ and some of the scores are in tune with the natural rhythms of the body. I once read a piece about how rock music affects your heart beat and not in such a good way.

Hell there are even music files posted on the tracker that change ones mood, or they lay the claim and I have witnessed testimony to suggest as much.

Garbage in, garbage out. Pretty elementary stuff. Good stuff in, good stuff out. You have to be conscientious of what you are listening to, much like the evening news. ;)

[Freeman]

If we consider the amount of music that is generated by the works of Aleister Crowley, I think we may begin to understand the depth of the mind control. Led Zepplin, David Bowie, the Beatles, the Stones, Tool, the list really goes on and on. Have a look at this show on Anna Nicole, Britney and Mind Control
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...8713529539
You could also look into "They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll" Personally, I'm not with the Christian programming, but the footage is amazing and the all inclusive nature of the Kabbalah and rock and roll is astounding.

[techsture]

Fascinating stuff but i would sack the preson who was lining up the clips on the show as he doesnt have a clue what he's doing.

[itmakesmewonder]

Yes, I am being brainwashed by Christmas music. Every year we are hypnotised by emotionaly edge music from our childhoods. I vow not spend another winter in a western country again because of this. :angry:

[Nyte]

the only music i think is brainwashing is shitty nu-metal support the war shit like god smack and nickel back and all those shitty mainstream rap like soulja boy that makes people focus on materialism and dying for your country

I listen to death metal, emo,and stuff

[SerialExpLain]

Music alone is very potent. Music w/video adds another dimesion of potency. Then it becomes much like movies. It is amazing what obscurities you can find from movies/videos/songs from decades past.

Its like looking at the entire contents of the Illuminati Card Game in many ways.

Classical music conveys the intention of the composer as many keys do not leave one feeling any less influenced that any other type of music IMO, e.g., Wagner's Götterdämmerung

This isn't music related per se, but I always found this distrubing, especially the large merchandising campaign that went along with it, and is ever present now, every year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nightma..._Christmas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Burton

I am quite sure that just like the Illuminati Card Game, a review of of media could pretty much portray who is in charge, what is planned, etc.

They really do have their way with us via all forms of media.