So What's The Deal With David Icke?

[Tblacksheep]

Quote:I have to disagree, I think Davis philosophy on the nature of reality will bring the most selfless conciousness into people, it will not turn them egosentric. Like christianity for example which makes people hate themselves and so hate other people, out of fear and guilt, his philosophy doesen't work like that.

You dont have to be egocentric, just have a belief system installed.... that humans are all one, that none of this is human doing, that humans couldnt have been in control for this long and its all funny aliens... 'them, not us', now, the question is, where have i heard that before?

[stanteau]

I just started reading The Biggest Secret or whatever it's called, I'm gonna be asking questions about it in here almost every day probably if anyone wants to help me out.

First is first, what does lbid mean in the cites pages?

And he mentions on page 20

"The ancient British god, known as the Dragon-Ruler of the World, was called HU and from this, very appropiately I would suggest, we get the term Hu-man."

There's just very little explenation of the term and it's history and.... I don't know, I'm trying my damnbest to keep everything in my mind open but I do already have a small prejudice, just want to give David the benefit of the doubt through his fans.

[MrBS]

Quote:I promise you, bet any money on it, that you too can definitely see a shapechanging lizard if you do the following:

$1million ?

Quote:Either among your circle of friends/associates/family members, there is one that stands out as the biggest arrogant ass. You know the one that all they do is brag constantly, perpetually stuck in a hall of mirrors-type. Also, make sure this person is the type that is a bully, this experiment will work the best on that type of ass.

In my circle of friends I am the big arrogant ass/bragger/poser/bully:D I have never shape-changed, except on acid.

Quote:If properly provoked, their mask will slip, maybe only for less than a second but I will guarantee you will see the phenomena of shapeshifting and, yes, they will look/feel like a dragon. Then their calm mask will be back in place like nothing ever happened.

Try it, it works...

Why don't you do this (as you're the expert) and video-tape it? You'll make millions.

[Shinobi]

Quote:With all that said I still don't see any common basis for Icke's work. They're physical lizards, they're shapeshifters, they're demons, anyone can do it, only the queen and other world leaders can.

When I started I didn't ask for your guys' opinions on the lizards (although I do appreciate it and after a little more research will ask somr thorough questions), I asked "what's the deal with David Icke"? Basically, so you guys think Icke's real? Right? Or is he barinwashed/in on it/etc.?

You could always go to the source and ask there http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

[Moriani]

Quote:4-I live in Toledo Ohio, a semi-larger town and at every book store I can only find 1 or 2 Marrs books,the guy who basically wrote "JFK", but for some reason they all have 4+ copies of every book he's written, his word gets around real fast and in an age when information is controlled it doesn't really add up

It's an older book. You can order it on Amazon, and Barnes & Noble carries it.

You need to gain an understanding of US media. Basically, 37 white guys and a black guy own 98.8% of every media operation in the US.

So, if you own book publishing companies and you own the distribution companies and you own the book stores, then you would want to have the book published by one of your companies distributed through your companies and sold in your book stores. That kinda cuts out the competition.

Years ago, I and many many others repeatedly urged the FTC to investigate monopolistic practices of Holllywood, where a handful own the studios, the production companies, the distribution networks and the freaking theaters, but they refused. Maybe one day it will get investigated.

If you don't believe there's monoplistic practices or price fixing, then why do all 3 theater chains charge the same ticket prices?

[Moriani]

Quote:Coming from chrstian background I find it hard to believe in reptiles and for demons I'm in two minds being spritual with no physical body how do you see them unless a human is possessed like legion.

The only thing that bugs me is that Bible said that satan came as a snake and snake are reptiles. Also the photos are they photo shopped? but other chrstian speakers like Fritz talk about it so there is something to it.

The main thing that bugs me is someone like Icke researching all this doesn't believe in God, and all his research shows satanism and the people doing it are getting powerful positions in countries and creating nwo.

So is it ignorance of the way religion is used in past, present and future that put his mind off considering God

The bible doesn't say that.

You're what I would call a "Madonna christian."

You probably really truly believe that Madonna originally wrote and recorded "Bye Bye American Pie."

I assure you, she did not. Don McClean wrote and recorded it long before Madonna did, and she omits several verses from the original song.

And that's a great analogy, because the Hebrews weren't the first people around. By the time Abrahm/Abraham came on the scene, civilization had existed for 5,000 years already, as had all those myths in the Hebrew pre-history in Genesis.

The Hebrew myths in the Genesis pre-history are just poorly plaigiarized versions of stories from more than a dozen different cultures that pre-date the birth of Abrahm/Abraham, the first patriarch.

And there's the hipocrisy. Christians reject the older more accurate stories claiming they are myths, while simultaneously refusing to admit that the Genesis pre-history comes directly from those myths via Abrahm/Abraham the Akkadian. Abrahm/Abraham's father Terah was a priest, but not of Yaweh, otherwise Abrahm/Abraham wouldn't have known those stories at all.

Just stop and think for a moment. Certainly your IQ is over 100 or you wouldn't even be delving into these matters. What kind of highly advanced, intelligent, and omnipotent being would lust after animal sacrifices, like Yaweh does?

Do a comparative analysis of Leviticus and Numbers against Deuteronomy. Note the changes in the cult of Yaweh, and that's what it was, a cult, a pagan cult that just happened to be monotheistic. Note how blood is no longer a mystical magical thing, like it was in the days of Moses. Note how the temple has become centralized regarding animal sacrifices from previous practices in earlier centuries. Note all the other changes in the cult of Yaweh (and there are many). Those are things you won't see in "bible study" because the purpose of "bible study" is to indoctrinate and inculcate, not explore. That's why no one discusses Snow White Miriam. The issues raised in that story are way too much for people to want to handle, especially if one is trying to indoctrinate.

[blewrp]

I personally was introduced into the "world of conspiracy" by David Icke, i was more than anything attracted by his lectures on the misconception of reality. So i cannot but admire him, i think he's a great talker and has a lot of charisma (obviously since otherwise he wouldnt be able to draw the crowds he does/did). I must admit though that after seeing a few of his lectures i delved into other researchers and didnt pay much more attention to Icke - and i dont think it was because of the reptilian thing, just had to gain more knowledge about the occult. Needless to say, my view of the conspiracy changed drastically (how could it be any different). So i would say some of Icke's stuff is really good and worth checking out, but to listen only to him would just be ignorant. thats my two cents on David

[stanteau]

OK ok so I bit and checked his 9/11 book out from the library. I did it for 1 chapter, chapter 4, "Big Dick" Cheney. I thought what could this possibly be about.

I read 2 pages and here's what he's got to say.

A woman named Cathy O'Brien claims to of been under CIA mind-control during Bush Sr.'s presidency. While there she did Saudi Arabian drug deals (ok, I'm with ya Icke) and Cheney and Bush Sr. also RAPED her and her UNDERAGE DAUGHTER Kelly.

He then goes on to read a passage from he book, "The Trace-Formation of America" and in it Buch and Cheney talk about screwing her daughter to get hard, but Cheney's dick is too big to ever screw a kid ("Kelly jumped back in horror and cried 'NO!'" yes, it sounds that fake) and they proceeded to use LIQUID COCAINE ATOMIZERS on their penises and Kelly's vagina so they could gang-rape her more easily. If you ever read the entire thing it sounds like an indie movie script.

NOW! I immedtaly ran over every possibility and here they are as I see it.

1-It's true. You've got the D.C. Madaam and worse yet the Conspiracy of Silence angles to factor in, so it may be true.
2-It is a fraction of the truth. Perhaps while under drug induced mind control she imagined these events (I believe she's the one who also says while under mind-control Dick Cheney turned into a lizard in front of her)
3-It's a complete lie.

If it is a complete lie this brings up a few more points. I mean, Icke books I can go to Barnes and Noble and buy, I CAN GO TO A NATIONAL BOOK CHAIN AND BUY A BOOK CONTAINING WITNESS TESTIMONY OF BUSH AND CHENEY RAPING A LITTLE GIRL WHILE HIGH ON COKE! And nothing is being done? Noones being sued, or forced to write a retraction, either Icke or Cathy O'Brien, which means one of 2 things.

1-It's true and they don't want to give it any public attention.
2-It's not true and they don't want to give it any public attention.
3-It's not true and they allow it to stay because it's a dis-information campaign.

This is chapter 4. If people actually read this to learn about the WTC (and there is TONS of useful info in here about the event) and by page 60 Dick Cheney's raping people and then turning into a lizard, I doubt they make it to chapter 5.

Add into it the Brandon Corey fiasco and I think we can safely say, with strong confidence, that David Icke is a dis-info agent of mammoth proportions.

[kinesafe]

This is my first post here, so hello everyone:)I wanted to comment on David Icke and some of the material that he's presenting. First off, I feel that Icke isn't really presenting any new ideas or topics. So far, I've gone through two of his books (Tales from the Time Loop and The Biggest Secret) concerning the NWO/Illuminati and reptilian agenda. In both books, most of his theory that he constructs is based upon other peoples research or information concerning the subject. I'm not trying to say that David is a fraud, what I'm saying is there's evidence that points towards this, among MANY other things, if you only take time to NOTICE THEM. One thing that David does point out is the importance of the <span style="color:#660000">blood line and how it connects into our current political/social/economic/industrial/religious areas. After reading just a portion of David's work, and following up on his sources, I found many things that shocked and horrified me concerning our nations economic structure ( The Federal Reserve ) and how it's designed to systematically control the market, based upon the decisions of a small few. Mind you, this wasn't on the whole NWO/Reptile trip, BUT they showed how European bankers financed and backed several wars and even funded opposing sides in a means to transfer wealth. As far as reptiles goes, before ever hearing of Icke, I understood there to be multiple alien races, and one of them was stated to be reptilian in nature. I remember particularly that they were said to be 'shapeshifters'. Back then I didn't really believe it, but after reading many ancient text, and hearing many scholars/historians/scientist/anthropologist present information on the human being, and our "recent" appearance on this planet, I'd say it's completely possible. As one person here already said, they may not be LITERAL reptiles, but they may be as well. I don't know, I've never seen one though it's not my place to say that they couldn't be real, in the actual sense of a 6-8ft Reptile/Humanoid being.

What validates the story for me is the crossing of histories with other cultures regarding reptiles. When you start doing your home work concerning snake/reptile worship, you start finding very common stories of "Feathered Dragons", or "Serpant Gods" that bring technology/civilization/understanding to ancient man. You also start to find that many of the ancient text that we may consider to be "myth" have very factual basis in reality, and interwoven storylines with other text that aren't even supposed to be related. All I'm saying here is that if you do your homework, you're bound to find some really interesting material concerning:

mankind's origins
the potential for a lost or missing civilization with great technical and spiritual understanding
info to support genetic manipulation of early man
and much more info off the beaten path!;)


Take it all with a grain of salt I say, and do the research yourself. Figure out what's real or not on your own and come to your own conclusions.


Laters

[stanteau]

Quote:This is my first post here, so hello everyone:)I wanted to comment on David Icke and some of the material that he's presenting. First off, I feel that Icke isn't really presenting any new ideas or topics. So far, I've gone through two of his books (Tales from the Time Loop and The Biggest Secret) concerning the NWO/Illuminati and reptilian agenda. In both books, most of his theory that he constructs is based upon other peoples research or information concerning the subject. I'm not trying to say that David is a fraud, what I'm saying is there's evidence that points towards this, among MANY other things, if you only take time to NOTICE THEM. One thing that David does point out is the importance of the <span style="color:#660000">blood line and how it connects into our current political/social/economic/industrial/religious areas. After reading just a portion of David's work, and following up on his sources, I found many things that shocked and horrified me concerning our nations economic structure ( The Federal Reserve ) and how it's designed to systematically control the market, based upon the decisions of a small few. Mind you, this wasn't on the whole NWO/Reptile trip, BUT they showed how European bankers financed and backed several wars and even funded opposing sides in a means to transfer wealth. As far as reptiles goes, before ever hearing of Icke, I understood there to be multiple alien races, and one of them was stated to be reptilian in nature. I remember particularly that they were said to be 'shapeshifters'. Back then I didn't really believe it, but after reading many ancient text, and hearing many scholars/historians/scientist/anthropologist present information on the human being, and our "recent" appearance on this planet, I'd say it's completely possible. As one person here already said, they may not be LITERAL reptiles, but they may be as well. I don't know, I've never seen one though it's not my place to say that they couldn't be real, in the actual sense of a 6-8ft Reptile/Humanoid being.

What validates the story for me is the crossing of histories with other cultures regarding reptiles. When you start doing your home work concerning snake/reptile worship, you start finding very common stories of "Feathered Dragons", or "Serpant Gods" that bring technology/civilization/understanding to ancient man. You also start to find that many of the ancient text that we may consider to be "myth" have very factual basis in reality, and interwoven storylines with other text that aren't even supposed to be related. All I'm saying here is that if you do your homework, you're bound to find some really interesting material concerning:

mankind's origins
the potential for a lost or missing civilization with great technical and spiritual understanding
info to support genetic manipulation of early man
and much more info off the beaten path!;)


Take it all with a grain of salt I say, and do the research yourself. Figure out what's real or not on your own and come to your own conclusions.


Laters

You'll find that everything illuminati related is well documented by far more reputable people such as Jim Marrs or Jordan Maxwell and his shape-shifting reptilian argument has very little backing, the ancient astronauts and ancient race theories are well researched and valid IMO, but his shapeshifting lizard theories hold absolutely no water as there is NO geological evidence and all the "winged serpent Gods" are much more easily explained as symbolism relating to super-intelligence and power.

I highly suggest watching Michael Tsarion's videos on the subject

[kinesafe]

Haha, I actually found this forum, because I was searching for torrents from Michael Tsarion since I heard him on c2c talking about atlantis and ancient text! Thanks for the link.


PS: Would you recommend his book, Atlantis, Alien Visitation, And Genetic Manipulation?


Thanks
Kine

[stanteau]

Quote:Haha, I actually found this forum, because I was searching for torrents from Michael Tsarion since I heard him on c2c talking about atlantis and ancient text! Thanks for the link.


PS: Would you recommend his book, Atlantis, Alien Visitation, And Genetic Manipulation?


Thanks
Kine

I havn't read it, I'm gonna try to buy it soon though, but I will back up his research as being very informative while maintaining an empirical sense of questioning in the middle of lots of speculation, as far as the ancient astronaut theories go, he is one of the most well-researched of the bunch

[hilly7]

I've heard some of his speaches. What is scarey is all the people he places back into the coral as sheeple. Just imagine listening to him for the first time sheeple's ears. Much of the info is so accurate then BAM, he starts the reptile thing and whatever the sheeple listening to him has awaken goes back to sleep.

I think he does his job excellent. It makes all conspiracy theorists look like they are nuts. Then again maybe he's just on drugs. Had a friend one time fought with pteranodons shooting lazer beams from their eyes while playing pinball then passed out. Problem was with a room full of people he was the only on that saw them, except his date which was playing wit a T-Rex.

[SerialExpLain]

JMO, but:

If he was US-based, I'd say he was an Esalen-creation, but since he is UK-based probably a Tavistock-creation. Someone who has become a larger than life image; c'mon, his appearance on the scene and continued presence on the scene is serving a larger purpose.

He gives people a template on how to view conspiracies and more importantly how to deal with them in a way that is very in keeping with the message of oneness, that is certainly not new at all and fits in very well with much older agendas, i.e., Lucis Trust, etc.

[SerialExpLain]

JMO, but:

If he was US-based, I'd say he was an Esalen-creation, but since he is UK-based probably a Tavistock-creation. Someone who has become a larger than life image; c'mon, his appearance on the scene and continued presence on the scene is serving a larger purpose.

He gives people a template on how to view conspiracies and more importantly how to deal with them in a way that is very in keeping with the message of oneness, that is certainly not new at all and fits in very well with much older agendas, i.e., Lucis Trust, etc.

And I really think people could spend their whole life looking for Icke-style reptilitans and never find a one, yet what he is describing does truly exist, just not the way he is presenting it.