Why The Kjv-only Guys Got It All Wrong

[grell]

The KJV although a great translation shouldn't be your only choice of Bible. Let's be honest, how many of you KJV-only guys out there (Ctrl, Woken Sheep, etc...) read your KJV Bibles on a daily basis? Maybe if you used a more recent version you would be more apt to read it. Don't buy into the whole "new versions are a spawn of the devil" nonsense spouted on sites like Jesus is Lord, av1611, etc... There is nothing wrong with using a new version and they are better for introducing those newer to Christianity to what the Bible is all about.

I think us guys in the conspiracy movement have been backsliding lately, myself probably more so even than most of you. It's time to get back on track, time to pick up those Bibles and start fresh. Let go of the past and so on. Who's with me?

[Forbin]

I think you need to be careful when reading any bible version. I've recently begun to realise just how different they all are. Sure, they may all agree on some general principles but many verses contradict one another depending on which translation you're reading.
For example, here's one I found a few days ago -

Matthew 11:12 (New International Version)
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

whereas the NKJV states..
Matthew 11:12 (New King James Version)
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.


During a study, I tend to use sites like biblegateway.com which make it easy to switch between the different translations. At least then, you gain some awareness of the extent to which a verse can vary.

[mushty]

Quote:I think you need to be careful when reading any bible version. I've recently begun to realise just how different they all are. Sure, they may all agree on some general principles but many verses contradict one another depending on which translation you're reading.
For example, here's one I found a few days ago -

Matthew 11:12 (New International Version)
From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.

whereas the NKJV states..
Matthew 11:12 (New King James Version)
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.


During a study, I tend to use sites like biblegateway.com which make it easy to switch between the different translations. At least then, you gain some awareness of the extent to which a verse can vary.

What we must remember is that it has been rewritten or should i say Translated over time to allow more people to understand it.
A lot of people today have no understanding of some of the Basic Old English words used in the KJV, even i have to pick up a dictonary every so often when reading it.
The Dumbing down of school kids is so much today, that most would not even have a basic understanding of the bible, and that goes for a few adults too.

God said anyone who alters the text (from there original meaning)will face the consequences anyway, i know its in the bible but cant find the passage, as i dont read it as much as i should :err:

Anyway im sure someone here will quote it for me :grin:

[mushty]

still waiting for that quote :biggrin:

[Easy Skanking]

I think a less dogmatic approach to bibles and holy texts in general are in order. My primary case being the KJV Bible.

Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII who had a penchant for killing his ex-wives and had a freemason, Sir Francis Bacon, do the re-write on the bible. Now why would I tend to think that version of the bible serves freemason agendas? IMO, it was incorporated as a tool to further enslave the world. That means I am HIGHLY suspect of ANYTHING written in that book.

Talk of prophecy from the bible is one thing that makes me laugh. I am always reminded of the Matrix and the addressing of prophecies being another system of control. That's what the bible seems to me.

[yeti]

Quote:Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII...

Am I missing something here? Doesn't KJ mean "King James"? What does that have to do with Henry VIII?

[Forbin]

Quote:still waiting for that quote :biggrin:

LOL :smile:

Best i could find was Revelation 22:18-19

Quote:For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

But that only applies to the book of Revelation, not the whole bible.

[mushty]

Quote:Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII who had a penchant for killing his ex-wives and had a freemason, Sir Francis Bacon, do the re-write on the bible.

Thats a Bold Statement to make, Sir francis Bacon did not do a Translation on the bible!

[mushty]

Forbin, Thats the Quote i was thinking of :biggrin:

You say this only applies to revelations?

[standvast]

The quote is from revelations and refers to the times described in revelations,
revelations , which i believe is one of the least old books in the KJV..

[yeti]

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Quote:Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII who had a penchant for killing his ex-wives and had a freemason, Sir Francis Bacon, do the re-write on the bible.

Thats a Bold Statement to make, Sir francis Bacon did not do a Translation on the bible!

It's no more or less bold than your statement. Many scholars have linked Bacon to the KJV Bible.

[mushty]

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Quote:Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII who had a penchant for killing his ex-wives and had a freemason, Sir Francis Bacon, do the re-write on the bible.

Thats a Bold Statement to make, Sir francis Bacon did not do a Translation on the bible!

It's no more or less bold than your statement. Many scholars have linked Bacon to the KJV Bible.

Prove it with Hard evidence, i have not seen or read any?

[yeti]

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Quote:Hmmm... Commissioned by King Henry VIII who had a penchant for killing his ex-wives and had a freemason, Sir Francis Bacon, do the re-write on the bible.

Thats a Bold Statement to make, Sir francis Bacon did not do a Translation on the bible!

It's no more or less bold than your statement. Many scholars have linked Bacon to the KJV Bible.

Prove it with Hard evidence, i have not seen or read any?

Is that supposed to be a question?

Here is the hard evidence that scholars have linked Bacon to the KJV:
Francis Bacon and the James 1st Bible

Quote:The 1611 King James Bible is ornamented with Bacon's symbols and in my own special copy of the record edition, also dated 1611, these symbols are Rosicrucianly marked to call the attention of the initiated to them and to tell them that the 1611 Bible is without possibility of doubt, one of Bacon's books.....When Bacon was born, English as a literary language did not exist, but once he died he had succeeded in making the English language the noblest vehicle of thought ever possessed by mankind. This he accomplished merely by his Bible and his Shakespeare." --Edwin D. Lawrence author of Bacon is Shakespeare and The Shakespeare Myth from a lecture October 9, 1912

...The Bible which all of us read and admire from a literary point of view because of it's peculiar and beautiful English was written in that form by Bacon who invented and perfected that style of English expression. The first editions of this Bible were printed under the same guidance and in the same manner as were the Shakespeare plays, and the ornaments for the various pages were drawn in pen and ink and on wood by artists engaged by Bacon who worked under his supervision. Everyone of the ornaments concealed some Rosicrucian emblem and occasionally a Masonic emblem or some initials that would reveal Bacon's name or the name of the Rosicrucians. Such ornaments were put not only in the Christian Bible that Bacon had rewritten but in the Shakespeare plays, and in some of Bacon's own books, and a few other books that were typically Rosicrucinan in spirit.-- Dr. H Spencer Lewis Imperator of the Rosicrucian Order during the 1920-30's, from the Rosicrucian Digest, April 1930

The first edition of the King James Bible, which was edited by Francis Bacon and prepared under Masonic supervision, bears more Mason's marks than the Cathedral of Strasburg.-Manly P. Hall, from a lecture Rosicrucian and Masonic Origins 1929

Bacon edited the Authorised Version of the Bible printed in 1611. Dr. Lancelot Andrewes, Bishop of Winchester, one of the chief translators, was Bacon's close friend. The MSS are missing. That Bacon revised the manuscripts before publication is certain. Neither Bilston nor Miles, to whom the MSS were entrusted for final revision, could have given the world such a literary masterpiece. We have their writings. They are mediocre, barren of style, lacking the creative touch.- Alfred Dodd, Francis Bacon's Life-Story 1986

I've proven my statement. Now it's your turn. Give me Hard Evidence that Bacon DID NOT edit the KJV bible.

[harflimon]

Bacon was involved in almost everything the English Court was undertaking during his lifetime. Hell the man basically invented the Modern English language.

[atomsk]

Personally, when I buy a book of fairy tales I just check to see that the illustrations are good. Other than that, it doesn't really matter.