Poison Dust

[mothandrust]

this is an hour and a half video about the effects of depleted uranium on US soldiers

Poison DUst

[SerialExpLain]

Dr. Leuren Moret is a whistleblower from Lawrence Livermore Labs. Below is her excellent series on the effects of depleted uranium. Each video segment runs approx 10 mins.


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http://www.uraniumweaponsconference.de/spe...oret_bio_en.pdf

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...;q=Leuren+moret

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[ephilution]

Looks like we got some more tracker material. Thanks for sharing peeps and if no-one dumps 'em on the tracker I will...

[Moriani]

It isn't depleted uranium.

[SerialExpLain]

Quote:It isn't depleted uranium

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[ephilution]

Quote:It isn't depleted uranium.

That bubble on your neck.... Is that your head?

[Moriani]

I should know, since I'm probably the only one here who has seen and touched depleted uranium. I'm also the only one here who has laid hands on a variety of nuclear warheads and chemical munitions.

Review the data. It isn't depleted uranium, it's nuclear waste. Big freaking difference.

Uranium ore comes with rather fixed percentages of U238, U235 and U234. Depleted uranium is simply uranium ore that has had the U235 and U234 separated from it, leaving U238.

U238 is not harmful and you should know that from your high school chemistry. It is a very weak alpha emitter with a half-life of 4 Billion years. You could have all the furniture in your home made from DU and it would pose no hazard, although you would probably want it painted or covered. U238 does oxidize (yes it rusts) when exposed to air formimg UO2, but you'd have to breathe the dust for 30 years to have even a slight risk of lung cancer. Ingesting U238 is not an issue, since your body is smart enough to know the difference between nutrients and non-nutrients, and it would pass out your ass within 8 to 12 hours.

Nuclear waste is an entirely different matter. The big clue is U236. When U238 is bombarded by neutrons it converts to Np239 which then kicks off a beta becoming Pu239. However, during the neutron bombardment, Pu239 absorbs neutrons forming Pu240 which decays into U236.

During the separation process, only the plutonium is separated leaving U238, U236, U235 (from the decay of Pu239) and if the reactor is run carelessly or not functioning properly at 100%, U237 (from the decay of Pu241).

Before believing the crap you read on the net, you ought to talk to someone who has actually fired DU rounds. I assure you they do not "incinerate," "turn to dust" or any of the other nonsense people claim. DU rounds from a 20mm chain gun mushroom on impact, deform, or sometimes fragment, just like any other round would do. Apparently I was firing nuclear waste rounds. No matter, they do not "vaporize, incinerate or turn to dust" either.

While you're looking at this crap, you'll notice a complete and total absence of any epidemiological studies.

What's it been? 16 years since the first gulf war, and not one single epidemiological study?

Why not? Why have these groups who claim "DU" causes harm repeatedly refused to conduct epidemiological studies? Some of those people are doctors and they certainly know what the hell an epidemiological study is.

They will never do one. At least where Iraqi civilians are concerned, many of those who claim to be affected were in areas where no combat ever took place. Not now, and not during the first Gulf War. That precludes the possibility of any "poisoning" from DU/Nuclear Waste rounds.

Where military personnel are concerned, it's even worse. You have sailors at sea and personnel in Dubai and Saudi Arabia that were 500 miles from the nearest "incinerated" "DU" rounds.

For some, but not all Iraqi civilians and US troops, it is possible they were affected by munitions made of nuclear waste, but not DU, since the valence electrons in U236 mimic Calcium (just like Strontium does) and U236 could be asborbed into the blood stream through the lining of the stomach and small intestines. That would account for trace amounts in urine samples. Note that this would be the result of U236O2 (all uranium isotopes oxide when exposed to air), not because the rounds had "vaporized, incinerated or turned to dust."

If you're looking for additional causes, try looking at the chemical munitions that were recklessly destroyed in situ by US forces during the first Gulf War resulting in chemical agents being dispersed over wide areas, and also the "vaccines" and anti-dote cocktails given to US forces, as well as chemical reactions from buring hydrocarbons when all the oil well heads were destroyed.

Of course, you'd have to do an epidemiological study to determine if there is a single underlying cause, multiple instances of single underlying causes, or multiple causes occuring in single or multiple instances.

[Shinobi]

Yeah I know everything too, I was there with Cyrus .. pffft.

[drunkenmunky]

Quote:U238 is not harmful and you should know that from your high school chemistry. It is a very weak alpha emitter with a half-life of 4 Billion years.

From my Physics schooling. I was to understand that alpha radiation is the most destructive when ingested. Its harmless outside the body, as the layer of dead skin cells around your body acts as a barrier. However, on the inside of your body, in proximity with newly growing cells, it wreaks havok.

[WeThePeople]

Quote:U238 is not harmful and you should know that from your high school chemistry.

Quote:Depleted uranium from Wikipedia

"Depleted uranium (DU) is uranium that has a reduced proportion of the isotope Uranium-235. It is mostly made up of Uranium-238. The names Q-metal, depletalloy, and D-38, which once applied to depleted uranium, have fallen into disuse."

"Its high density has made it a valued component in some technical applications, specifically in military projectiles. Such uses remain controversial, as U-238, besides its residual radioactivity, is known from several laboratory studies to be toxic to mammals, especially to the reproductive system and fetus development, causing reduced fertility, miscarriages and fetus malformations. There is, however, considerable scientific debate on the issue of whether depleted uranium is still significantly dangerous for human beings at the low quantities which - is generally believed - can enter the human organism in toxic form in the scenario of a contaminated hotspot due to projectile explosions."