How Old Are You Guys? And When/why Did You Wake Up?

[grell]

Yeah how old are each of you? And when did you become awake? As for me I'm 20 years old and find it interesting that I am talking with people that are in age ranges that I'd never talk to in real life, absent some 9/11 protest or something where I know me and some 40 year old have similar interests. For the most part I only hang out with people in my own age range.

What first woke me up wasn't 9/11, I believed the official version for a few years until I stumbled across torrents of Fahrenheit 9/11 which kept me digging for more info on 9/11 and government corruption. Eventually I found 9/11 The Road to Tyranny by Alex Jones (yeah he did get me started into conspiracy, for that I have to give him some credit). At first I was like, man this guy is full of shit. Then I downloaded more movies on the Illuminati and the "Satanic" new world order. Along with Bible prophecy I started to believe we were living in the end days spoken about in Revelations. At this time I became a Christian as well. Downloaded more and more movies from torrents, eventually found conspiracy central after listening to Revere Radio and hearing someone mention it. Before that I was posting on forums like The Resistance Manifesto (John Conner's site). It's been a few years now and I only believe more so in conspiracies than when I first started. Anyway that's my story, so what your story eh??

[aaronmann]

i've always felt more comfortable in the company of people twice my age. everyone else always just seemed childish to me. all my friends ever wanted to do was get drunk and waste a lot of time driving around and doing essentially nothing. I couldn't get intellectual conversations from them, I had to turn to my elders for guidance and satifsfaction, and even there it was hard to fiind at times.

i'm 28 now and woke up - officially - little over a year ago although i never really have been asleep. just somewhere in between. you could listen to songs i wrote, or journal entries from back when i was 15 and know that i knew something was up.

i began really resisting the system when i went to jail at the age of 17 for one year for posession of marijuana (approx. 4 pounds). don't drool, it was farm schwag, probably hemp, that didn't carry a buzz. this is what really started my anti-establishment feelings that i still carry with me like a burning flag today =)

when i was 22 i heavily distributed a sladerous flier that defamed the man who was running for village president in my town. me and 5 others mass produced thousands of these fliers and made sure every mailbox in town got one, overnight. people woke up to them on April 1, 2001, just in time for the April 3rd vote. Of course that man won. After our little stunt no one in town even knew who the other candidate was (I remember, it was Deloris Pophal). this scored me 3 months in jail and got my probation extended from 5 to 7 years. needless to say i have never been able to get a job in that town again and had to move. my name was all over in the newspapers after one of our friends ratted us out. i'm the only one who did time over that, three others recieved $500.oo fines and the other two were let off without punishment.

Of course I spent some time depressed, and even got sucked into an RPG video game for almost 2 years. work, play, that's all I did. Wasn't until I ran across Alex Jones videos and Loose Change that I hung up the games and now do neocon recon full time. I don't even have a job anymore. To me, exposing the devil is far more imporatant than worshipping his money. I worked, for a couple months at a pizza place in Janesville. I'll get a job again soon, I'll have to, but I have made good use of all the extra time I've had for sure. just look at my web site =)

[slothy]

Just a quick one then before this old codger goes to bed..

I'm 34 and it didn't occur to me that I should question 9/11 until a year, maybe 18 months after when I heard an interview conducted by a right winger called James Whale on a station called Talksport here in the UK (it isn't exclusively sport). I wish I could remember who it was, it might have been Jim Marrs or someone like that. It was about government corruption or black ops or something and towards the end of the interview the guest was asked about 9/11. He stated that the public weren't ready to know the truth about that.

That was my cue to start digging, and aside from a couple of wrong turns like Dave Von Kleist's pod/missile theory, I came upon some very compelling evidence just by studying the collapse of all 3 buildings. I remember struggling with the idea that the world I was venturing into wasn't very nice, the question seemed to be 'what reality would I prefer?' - but I had no option really. Who wants to live in a dream world?

[Guest]

38, started waking up in '97 or '98....seems so long ago now.

[MrBS]

28... about 6 years ago I really started to wake up. 3 years ago I emigrated cause I wanted to live in a more tranquil society, live in a culture with more family values and learn another language.

I don't watch the TV anymore (you might think UK TV sucks, but trust me it's a lot better than they have in most places). Having no TV feeding my mind with propaganda and mainstream bullshit all my TV viewing is with BitTorrent, all my news is mainly through the web, which means even subconsciously my mind gets as much exposure to alternate media than it does mainstream... in fact a lot more alternate.... many nights I fall asleep listening to Alex Jones and sometimes stir or wakeup when he gets into a loud rant! Other night was surreal as I thought I was dreaming of a new terrorist attack and woke up realising it was Alex shouting about WTC7 !

Still learning the language, still waking up to many more things.

[j0osh]

21.. I saw Road to Tyranny on Austin Public Access when I was 17 or so.

The fact that people were questioning it, made me want to look into it more.

And the rest....is history.

[harflimon]

I'm 19 right now. I started waking up about a year and a half ago, although it seems like a lifetime ago to me.

[deathstickboy]

24. I've always known things were wrong on some level, and I have gone through different states of "awareness". Basically I was totally anarchistic and didn't believe any of the bullshit by the time I was 14(listened to RATM, knew about Echelon, Masons, ect) mostly after experiencing the school system and religious brainwashing in the home, but subsequent years of tv watching, public "education" and finally being fooled by sept. 11th (I didn't know enough about flase flag terror at the time, and my initial questions were slowely put to sleep by watching too much war propaganda) put me in a sheep like state for a while, during which I was actually dumb enough to explore the corporate world.
:laugh: It was a good experience for me though, in the end.
So I officially began to re-awake with realizing that the government's story of Sept 11th was a total lie, around Dec. 2003 or so. Learning about the bullshit about WMD's in Iraq was a major push back in the right direction for me as well. Ever since I have been "Getting back into the Man I used to be" :wink:

[Blackthor]

38, about 8 years ago in Philadelphia a artist (and a Jewish kid at that) asked me did I understand the back of the dollar. Talking about "hidden in plain sight" it never crossed my mind. BUT........ I knew some black masons as a child and I just knew something fishy was with these guys at a very young age. I was taken to the Prince Hall club/spot/chapel...whatever the f**k they call it. And was introduced to everyone, it was a BBQ & meeting type of thing. I was like 15 years old. Then I was taken to the infamous Masonic Hall in Philadelphia that is shown in most docu's about the Masons. It's wierd, all the time I went past it and thought it was a church! But the place was "INCREDIBLE", all the rooms and meeting halls. Busts and original paintings of almost every major figure that you can think of. There was only 2 black people on the tour, me and the mason that brought me there. I remember watching the little white kids running to sit in those "grand pooba" chairs, so I planned to sit in one when we entered the next meeting hall. And this hall was a very "grand" hall, I don't remember if it was the Egyptian room or not, but there was tons of things to look at, so everyone was distracted. Then he began telling everyone about the room and pointed to the seat of the "head" mason........ and in that seat my black ass was sitting! LOL! The look on his face was, if i could coin a phrase......"PRICELESS"! At that age I realized the separation of black & white masons. Black masons had nothing to compare. I remember asking in front of the whole tour "why aren't there any statues and painting of any black people?" I remember it like it was yesterday, everyone turned the black mason with me to see him answer my question. And he said "they have there halls and we have ours, but we're still brothers" and one of them smiled at him a shook his head.........right then i realized it was a bunch of bullshit! LOL!

But when the artist I was working with told me about the dollar, that recalled everything I knew. Then we started really seeing shit again for first time. Like that very same hall, the staute of "William Penn" is pointing to and in the courtyard of City Hall there is a "Zodiac Chart" it's been there since 1871. Now what the f**k do the zodiac have to do with judical business? Why is it there? And the cornerstone of that same building has stautes of the four corners of the earth, two asian kids, two european kids, two africa kids and I think the other two are Indian. And there's four archways that lead to the courtyard, one from the south, north, east and west, that meet at that zodiac symbol. And I could tell you about a ton of other "WEIRD SHIT" that happened to me. But once I noticed this in my hometown, I knew there was something to all this! Tons of Masonic shit there, remember the Masons even got there own diease there, "Legionnaires' Disease" at the Bellevue-Stratford Hotel, in guess what year, 1976, the 2 hundred birthday of the Declaration of Independence. If you can visit Philly do so, there a bunch to see and New York is only a hour and a half drive up the road and Wash.DC 2 hours down the road.

[Blackthor]

My mistake about that cornerstone, here's the correction.....

Quote:passageway from the main chamber leads to a secondary chamber with solid granite walls almost 20 feet thick, and highly polished granite columns 3 feet in diameter..

The Crypt of the Tower is directly beneath the massive tower. Calder's theme in the crypt is The World. It is a theme repeated often throughout the building. Here it is represented in the column capitals and keystones at arches located at each compass point. Our view is West, where the head of a bear represents America and the Atlantids at the column capitals are American Indian. To the South is a tiger keystone and African figures representing the African continent. The Eastern keystone is an elephant with Mongolian figures to represent Asia, while the North depicts Europe with a bullock and Caucasian figures.

Here's a tour (with terrible pics)
http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/2115/tour3.htm

[Cycle of Eternity]

I'm 19, and I've been aware since ever since really...

Due to my dad was always into this stuff and was well aware of what has been going on.
My dad has never been wrong about anything he ever told me.
The day 9/11 happened he said, "That was our doing, the government did this shit".
He never gave me a reason to doubt him on anything, he's very smart.
He would always get into Unsolved Mysteries, X-Files and documentaries on TV.
It wasn't until I got the internet (thank god) we both got more and better docs and info.
We both watch them but we have different opinions on things now.

[Phil999]

Quote:38, started waking up in '97 or '98....seems so long ago now.

the same for me. In Europe, Jan Van Helsing, a German author of books about secret societies, was quite popular at that time, and the rumor spread very quickly about Bilderberger and Illuminati.

[yeti]

I'm 44.

I began to suspect that things were not as they seemed back in 1974, with the Olympic Lottery scam - and most people, adults included, couldn't seem to figure out what I was babbling about.*

Then I read about Howard Hughes and his weird final years being a prisoner of the Mormons. That didn't add up either, so I read as much as I could about Hughes and the Mormons. The more I found, the freakier it got.

It didn't hurt that punk rock was popular either - there were a lot of us waking up and giving the finger to the man, even as the baby boomers were giving it to each other while disco dancing. In a few short years they would all sell out and become yuppies, but that's another story...

Then in 1979, there was Jonestown. By that time, I already knew that when the media seemed to have all the answers so quickly, they were covering something up. It took about 2 years for all that to come out, and by that point most had long since moved on.

In 1980, Reagan was elected, kicking off the entire overt fascist takover that has gotten worse every year since. Iran-Contra, the S&L scandals, massive MIC scams - it got so bad, most people just tuned out completely. At this point, if you cared about such things, you were considered a nutter.

One book I read that really opened my eyes to the whole historical background was NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY. It took me to a whole new level, since prior to reading it (in 1982), I had only noticed the rot through the myopic eyes of current events.

The 1993 WTC bombing caused a massive increase in security of both government and private sites throughout Canada. I already knew that they manipulate people's fear to get what they want, but now they were doing it quite openly and very rapidly.

Waco - by this time I was an old hat at seeing the fascists in action, and their cheering admirers going along for the ride to their own doom. However, I was working in some pretty high level sites as a computer consultant at this point, so I learned to keep my mouth shut most of the time.

Oklahoma City added fuel to the fire. I was merrily earning a healthy paycheck by now, so I was too busy to spend time turning over rocks. However, the internet had been thriving for almost a decade at this point; there were a lot of great bulletin boards (not the retarded kind for kids and perverts), FTP sites and newsgroups to keep up on things.

Circa 1994, I watched our glorious fidonet/internet turn into the The Information SuperHighway as every snake oil salesman clamoured to be the first to sell their shit to the droolers marching online en masse. Yes folks, TPTB had spoken, and they had decided that global instant multimedia communications were to be nothing but a glorified shopping channel. Yes, there was still a place for the conspiracy/tech savvy, but the droolers were now well and truly mesmerised by all those pretty things to click on...

...so much so that an entire nation (supposedly the most free in the world) stood around like confused zombies for 2 months while their democracy was stolen right out from under their noses! Yes kiddies, I'm talking about the 2000 American Federal Election. Why they didn't surround the White House with pitchforks and torches until Bush beat his faggot ass back to chearleading school was beyond me. The droolers had truly sealed their own fate...

And then came 9/11.

If you hadn't woken up by this time, IMO, you probably weren't going to. My phone/cell/email was smoking for days as all kinds of people called me, asking what my opinion on the whole thing was. Pretty much everyone had their suspicions that something wasn't right, and they knew they had a sympathetic ear in me. So I set them all up with sites to visit and books to read, losing hardly any to their former life as a drooler.

A funny thing happened to the Weeb, as I like to call it, post 9/11. People had finally become so disillusioned with the MSM at various points in their drab existence, and for various reasons. So they went online, looking for other confused souls, and quickly found that there are millions of others who don't buy the bullshit. The spell was breaking...

There always have been many who never bought the bullshit, of course. It's just a lot easier now for otherwise reasonably stupid people to connect and share their hatred for corruption and oppression. Prior to the weeb, you needed 3 things to get connected: money, technical savvy, and deep curiosity. Now all you need is the latter - and that's not such a bad thing.

...but I do miss the good old days, when we were all so much more naive. Sometimes ignorance is bliss...

*If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to tell you about it...

[Skinski7]

I'm 32.

I was always curious growing up and would read books on UFO's, pyramids, ghosts etc. This led me to reading magazines like Nexus (aussie alternative magazine) because some of the articles would intrigue me.

I first heard the term 'New World Order' in Nexus Magazine and subsequently looked it up online around 1995. I ordered a few books in relation to the subject in 1996. Namely...

'Unseen Hand' by A Ralph Epperson
'None Dare Call it Conspiracy' by Gary Allen
'Treason: The New World Order' by Gurudas

I also ordered and watched Ralph Epperson's 'New World Order' video lecture which introduced me to the symbolism of the ancient mystery religions. Ralph mentioned a man called William Cooper in his lecture and I looked him up and discovered that there was a radio show called 'Hour of the Time.' I purchased a shortwave and I was able to pick it up occasionally when the atmospheric conditions were right. I also was able to download a lot of Bill's shows from the Radio Free Internet and a few other sites which had the Hour of the Time Real Audio files.

The extensive documentation of Gurudas' work as well as the admonition of Bill Cooper to do my own research influenced me to start spending time in the Australian National Library. I spent a significant portion of my off work time researching history, economics, politics and evolutionary theory and my entire world view was absolutely shattered.

I then began (around 1998) to seek out other likeminded people and groups in Australia. Through my association with the Inverell Forum in northern NSW, the One Nations Party and the League of Rights I became aware that much of the 'freedom movement' had been subverted by the British Israel ideology (also called Christian Identity). This really taught me a lesson in how deep the deception in this world actually is and contributed to my very cautious outlook.

I have also came to realise that a lot of the information passed around in the freedom movement by well meaning people was inaccurate and actually serves destructive ends. I have seen this destruction first hand in regards to the ultimate results of several court cases I have been associated with and witnessed.

[yeti]

Quote:I was always curious growing up and would read books on UFO's, pyramids, ghosts etc. This led me to reading magazines like Nexus (aussie alternative magazine) because some of the articles would intrigue me.

I too read this religiously for a few years. More on this later...

Quote:None Dare Call it Conspiracy by Gary Allen

An excellent book, my first serious eye opener...

Quote:...This really taught me a lesson in how deep the deception in this world actually is and contributed to my very cautious outlook... ...I have also came to realise that a lot of the information passed around in the freedom movement by well meaning people was inaccurate and actually serves destructive ends....

Which brings me back to Nexus. It used to be a lot better. I eventually found that quite a lot of the material in there was a complete waste of time. The ads seemed mainly placed by hucksters. A kind of creepy New Age mentality had set in that freaked me out - too often I've seen this mentality destroy people's ability to think rationally.