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13-year-old Arrested In School For Writing On Desk
04-07-2007, 05:37 AM
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13-year-old Arrested In School For Writing On Desk
In this day and age where young students are frequently charged for serious school offenses such as possessing weapons, dealing drugs, or assaulting other students on school property, one Brooklyn teen's arrest may come as a surprise. A 13-year-old girl was handcuffed and placed under arrest in front of her classmates in Dyker Heights after she wrote "Okay" on her desk.

The "suspect," Chelsea Fraser, says she's sorry for scribbling the word on her desk, but both she and her mother are shocked at the punishment.

"I'm appalled, because here we have rapists, murderers, and you're taking a 13-year-old kid? Wasting valuable manpower to arrest a child who wrote on a desk?" Fraser's mother Diana Silva told CBS 2.

Police confirm that that's exactly what's written on her arrest record and for the crime, she's been charged with criminal mischief and the making of graffiti. Fraser says the day she marked her desk, she was wrongly grouped together with troublemakers who had plastered stickers all over the classroom.

Fraser was arrested at the Dyker Heights Intermediate School on March 30 along with three other male students. She says she was made to empty her pockets and take off her belt. Then she was handcuffed and led out of the school in front of her classmates and placed in the back of a police car.

"It was really embarrassing because some of the kids, they talk, and they're going to label me as a bad kid. But I'm really not," Fraser said. "I didn't know writing 'Okay' would get me arrested."

"All the kids were ... watching these three boys and my daughter being marched out with four -- they had four police officers -- walking them out, handcuffed," Silva said. "She goes to me, 'Mommy, these hurt!'"

The students were taken to the 68th Precinct station house where Silva says they were separated for three hours. "MY child is 13-years-old -- doesn't it stand that I'm supposed to be present for any questioning?" Silva said. "I'm watching my daughter, she's handcuffed to the pole. I ask the officer has she been there the entire time? She says, 'Yes.'"

On her report card, under conduct, Fraser has earned all "satisfactory" marks and one "excellent" mark.

"My daughter just wrote something on a desk. I would have her scrub it with Soft Scrub on a Saturday morning when she should be out playing, and maybe a day of in-house and a formal apology to the principal," Silva said.

CBS 2 contacted both the NYPD and the Board of Education for a response. The police say the arrests followed a request by the school's principal. The Board of Education said the matter is under investigation, adding that graffiti was found on several desks.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_095170448.html

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04-07-2007, 06:26 PM
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Good grief, I remember people used to carve into the desks at my school. Then there was always some dude trying to bore a hole through the desk with his pencil. Writing on the desk and going to jail? Beyond insane. :confused:
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04-08-2007, 01:56 AM
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Damn dude, I used to write on desks all the time. >< Saturday school would have been more effective. Now she's traumatized.

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04-08-2007, 04:32 PM
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Quote:Damn dude, I used to write on desks all the time. >< Saturday school would have been more effective. Now she's traumatized.

Sadly, I think that's the effect they are going for. Saturday school isn't good enough anymore. They want these kids scared shitless of the police and authority by the time they leave school.

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04-08-2007, 05:20 PM
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Like there is nothing else wrong in that school. I think the teacher should be arrested for incompetence.
I read a survey that said 1 in 5 high school grads can't read the words on their diploma.

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04-08-2007, 08:46 PM
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Since when was "vandalism" (and that's what it is) an arrestable offence. In Canada it's a summary offence (misdemeanor in yank terms) and should only require a court summons issued on the spot.

IMHO, the girl should have just denied writing it at all. Proof is the BURDEN on the prosecution, and simply saying "I merely traced out previous graffiti without leaving ink" would NOT give the prosecution the "beyond reasonable doubt" they need.

Case dismissed...

[edit] somebody should slap some fucking sense into this girl.... cops lie (seen it myself)...prosecution embellishes (seen it myself) and the fucking stupid bint
confessed?
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04-08-2007, 11:10 PM
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Quote:Since when was "vandalism" (and that's what it is) an arrestable offence. In Canada it's a summary offence (misdemeanor in yank terms) and should only require a court summons issued on the spot.

IMHO, the girl should have just denied writing it at all. Proof is the BURDEN on the prosecution, and simply saying "I merely traced out previous graffiti without leaving ink" would NOT give the prosecution the "beyond reasonable doubt" they need.

Case dismissed...

[edit] somebody should slap some fucking sense into this girl.... cops lie (seen it myself)...prosecution embellishes (seen it myself) and the fucking stupid bint
confessed?

Can't confirm this but what I heard was that she was caught through a class camera, and that she's now on parole. There were two separate charges.

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05-03-2007, 06:29 AM
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overdoing it quite a bit there
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05-03-2007, 07:10 AM (This post was last modified: 05-03-2007 07:13 AM by Henry.)
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Quote:overdoing it quite a bit there

hardly.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/searc...helsea%20Fraser
check out the 6 year old felon. Because she's a recent felon she's either in prison or on parole. She's not in prison right now.

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05-04-2007, 08:13 PM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2007 08:18 PM by ephilution.)
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Quote:overdoing it quite a bit there

hardly.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/searc...helsea%20Fraser
check out the 6 year old felon. Because she's a recent felon she's either in prison or on parole. She's not in prison right now.
6 and 7 year old felons? Somebody punch me I must be having a nightmare. With such an insane and corrupt police-system I bet Pippi Longstocking would get nothing less than the electric chair for all the recalcitrant stunts she pulled off.

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05-09-2007, 05:32 PM
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Quote:6 and 7 year old felons? Somebody punch me I must be having a nightmare.
even worse, since you awake from a nightmare to find it only a dream

Why do local people serving as law officals put up with this BS ???
you would think they would say, f**k this !!!
I won't do it !!! I won't arrsest children for for such stupid reasons, show me a real criminal !!!

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05-09-2007, 06:40 PM
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Quote:6 and 7 year old felons? Somebody punch me I must be having a nightmare.
even worse, since you awake from a nightmare to find it only a dream

Why do local people serving as law officals put up with this BS ???
you would think they would say, f**k this !!!
I won't do it !!! I won't arrsest children for for such stupid reasons, show me a real criminal !!!

Yeah, it's amazing. There is psych testing of new police recruits for a reason, and it ISN'T in order to weed out the psychopaths. It's to include those who are pliant and can blindly accept orders, and who are not dumb but less than "really smart." The police are in many cases actually this coarse, and are actually out to violate your rights if given any opportunity.

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05-09-2007, 07:28 PM
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Quote:6 and 7 year old felons? Somebody punch me I must be having a nightmare.
even worse, since you awake from a nightmare to find it only a dream

Why do local people serving as law officals put up with this BS ???
you would think they would say, f**k this !!!
I won't do it !!! I won't arrsest children for for such stupid reasons, show me a real criminal !!!

Yeah, it's amazing. There is psych testing of new police recruits for a reason, and it ISN'T in order to weed out the psychopaths. It's to include those who are pliant and can blindly accept orders, and who are not dumb but less than "really smart." The police are in many cases actually this coarse, and are actually out to violate your rights if given any opportunity.
How sad :sad:

And to think, school teaches kids to trust, even turn to the police, as protectors.

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- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

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But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
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05-09-2007, 08:27 PM
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Quote:Why do local people serving as law officals put up with this BS ???
you would think they would say, f**k this !!!
I won't do it !!! I won't arrsest children for for such stupid reasons, show me a real criminal !!!

It´s the same with everything. If people working in all areas of government used their common sense and humanity then we wouldn´t be dealing with any of this horror.

How did we get so FU?

I decided to home ed my children 6 years ago. At the time and for a few years afterward I was plagued with doubts, but no longer.

Home ed is something that "they" want to do away with now and not because of academic issues.
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05-10-2007, 12:12 AM
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Quote:Why do local people serving as law officals put up with this BS ???
you would think they would say, f**k this !!!
I won't do it !!! I won't arrsest children for for such stupid reasons, show me a real criminal !!!

It´s the same with everything. If people working in all areas of government used their common sense and humanity then we wouldn´t be dealing with any of this horror.

How did we get so FU?

I decided to home ed my children 6 years ago. At the time and for a few years afterward I was plagued with doubts, but no longer.

Home ed is something that "they" want to do away with now and not because of academic issues.

Agreed. I want to have kids, and have no choice but to home school. That, or find some small private school that is on the same page.

What state are you in, and was it hard to do? What sort of red tape was involved?

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