The True Torah Jews Have No Part In The Affair Against The Swiss

[mothandrust]

yeah but you can't condemn a race because of one family. a race that, incidentally, has suffered far more at the hands of the Rothschilds than any other.

Jews are not Zionists - doesn't everyone here know that? - The Brutal Zionist Role in the Holocaust

[standvast]

Most of us, and surely Og , knows the difference between the average folks
that consider themselves jewish [by whatever definition ] and "the zionists" ,
as in the blind Israel defendents and extreme "jewish " nationalists , be
they inspired by religious motivation or purely earthy secular interests.
Within zionism there are very different motivations, and also different attitudes, ranging
from somewhat moderate to violent extremists.

@Mothandrust. I don't think in races, and i don't think there is a jewish "race",
one can have heritage or a culture, but there is only the human "race".

I don't doubt that Og knows the difference at all, my point is about language,
about the simplifying and generalising titles as "the joos" or even "the zionists"
as a fitting description for what is often called "the top of the pyramid".
Whether you research your entire life or not, as long as you think you can stick
the world theatre of orchestrated ills all on one definable group of people
with a common interest and shared name, i think you're oversimplifying and
typifying TPTB.

Need i give another name or label ? , no i'm saying i think no label suffices , and
that in my rationale it is much more likely that there are warring factions than a
single dominating cabal.
The Rothschilds certainly play a main role, but there are most likely families
who's names aren't documented as being the influential ones in charge or the ones of lineage,
who play at their own agenda all the same.

Quote:I see Jooz at the very top level and Standvast can kiss my ass as I can't find a better word rofl.gif

One sees what one looks at ,..

kiss your own ass when you pull your head out of it..? [by lack of a better expression :biggrin: ]


peace'

[mothandrust]

Quote:@Mothandrust. I don't think in races, and i don't think there is a jewish "race",
one can have heritage or a culture, but there is only the human "race".

yeah standvast, me too - race is an illusion (except humanity) - sorry, was a bit careless with my language (although that's not to say others don't identify with (or against) race (regardless of validity))

[harmonius]

[quote name='Ognir' date='Apr 25 2007, 04:44 AM' post='64019']
LOL MMM



[quote name='mothandrust' date='Apr 26 2007, 05:06 PM' post='64531']
[quote name='standvast' post='64524' date='Apr 27 2007, 12:17 AM']
@Mothandrust. I don't think in races, and i don't think there is a jewish "race",
one can have heritage or a culture, but there is only the human "race".
[/quote]

yeah standvast, me too - race is an illusion (except humanity) - sorry, was a bit careless with my language (although that's not to say others don't identify with (or against) race (regardless of validity))
[/quote]


Yeah the race thing is a remnant from the early days of the science of Biology IMHO. We refer to the Black, Asiatic, European, Jewish races etc rather erroneously. From a biological standpoint though, we have all sorts of different breeds of dogs for example (pick any species of animal that we breed) that look WAAAAAAAY more different morphologically than what we see in humans yet we most assuredly do not refer to all the different breeds of dogs as races. Biology like much science often misses the obvious and especially in a case like this. It also must be noted that the science of biology in post enlightenment times was created by none other than European elites who wanted to feel, well, elite. So why not create racial divisions and put yourself at the top above all the sub-humans and mud-people, especially since you are so civilized. These were the mindsets that led to all the racial hygiene nonsense and Eugenics (I guess they never heard of hybrid vigour.) About the only political term that comes close to addressing this issue is the word Genocide. It makes you wonder why it was never just call Race-icide. Unfortunately every group wants to feel superior in some way and almost every cultural, political, religious, philosophical, geographical, genetic subset division want to feel 'special.' There will always be dipshits who buy into this stuff. In biology, whats good for the goose should also be good for the gander.


MMM

[Ognir]

I've said it before and let me say it again, not all jews are involved, some jews think they are zionist because they support that terrorist state, but they are not, just minions

Those who control the money, control the system and I'd love Standvast to provide links to another group running the show from the top.

[harmonius]

Quote:I've said it before and let me say it again, not all jews are involved, some jews think they are zionist because they support that terrorist state, but they are not, just minions

Those who control the money, control the system and I'd love Standvast to provide links to another group running the show from the top.

I'm not sure if a little of what you said was directed towards me personally. If so, I should state Og that I am in complete agreement with you. If it wasn't; carry on.


MMM

[Ognir]

It wasn't MMM so I'll carry on:LOL:

It was aimed at pain in the ass Admin Standvast that breaks my balls over words:LOL:

[Phil999]

Quote:I dare anyone to tell me any person or group that are higher up or above the Zionist Jews...There simply isn't, but if anyone has a name for me........

In hollywood cinema, there is a hero that punishes or kills the evil one, and everything is fine then. In reality, it is very different. As you said, there simply isn't anyone above. There is no top of the pyramid. You can't solve the problems of this world with naming and wiping away certain individuals or groups. Calling names and slogans is a dangerous simplifying of reality.

Of course, there are hierarchical structures, there are certain families who hold most of the power. And these criminal activities have to be exposed and punished. But the search for an ultimate enemy sitting somewhere is useless. We must remember, we only see the mirror of ourselves.

You can research for another 20 years, and you will still not have found the so-called top of the pyramid. Therefore, It is advisable to change the question: What can we do to stop the arrogance, the idea of supremacy, racism and greed? Information and education is a very important way to do something, and I also want to express my respect and gratitude to those who spend their precious time to expose and educate. But we must also know that - in the end - it may not have any great effect. We know that history tends to repeat itself, and that wise prophets are unheard and misunderstood. Those who are a bit older surely know the experience of telling younger ones what is right. And they see that these younger ones blindly go into trouble, they couldn't learn through advise, they sometimes only can learn through self-experience and pain.

What will happen if those families on "top" would vanish? Others would step in, and the game would continue just like now. It's the force of fear and ignorance that leads to greed and ideas of supremacy. So we must face those forces, not the ones who are seduced by it. It is a very challenging task to look into the eye of evil, as it is always a mirror of ourselves. Every conspiracy theorist has to deal with it, and those who survive this, I even respect more. These are the true warriors of piece.

Besides exposing and educating there must be a driving force to improve unacceptable situations, so that one turns from a truth seeker into a truth finder. Again, this is much more difficult than to point the finger at someone else. Much more work. But in the end, we don't need to point the finger at the evil one anymore, we just do and speak and work for life and creativity, not against something. There is a truth, and it can be found. When we have freed ourselves from evil influences, we will see a completely different mirror, we will see a world without crime.

This is an ideology. An ideology that is based on creation/creativity, like in nature where the sprout brings life into the barren land. The other ideology, which is based on looting and destruction, has not the slightest chance.

[rockclimber]

Quote:I've said it before and let me say it again, not all jews are involved, some jews think they are zionist because they support that terrorist state, but they are not, just minions

Those who control the money, control the system and I'd love Standvast to provide links to another group running the show from the top.

I do believe he called you out standvast.;)

Look it boils down to ignorance. Either you know who the Zionists are and the tangled web of Joo'ish might or you don't.

And puhlease spare me the hair splitting comments about labels. Was every German a Nazi? No, of course not, but we could play this damned game all day long. Today's supporter of Zionism know exactly what it's all about, and it's evil shit. You know this standvast and it equates to Nazism. If one is truly not a Zionist than they should shed the label. It's going to be exposed as all evil should. If you say the NEOCON zionists didn't have a hand in 9-11, then you are guilty of ignorance. If you deny that they are subjugating an entire people, than the same applies.

There isn't time for for this babyshit for crying out loud. It's time we expose them, call for their arrests and keeping working our way to arresting everyone who stands guilty of high crimes. Yes, that includes Bush and Cheney, don't worry. The scum needs to be removed from the bucket and put away in a prison. But know, we will play this game of "hmm...is it the freemasons? Is it the CFR? Hmmm..is it all the above? Like a friend recently said to me "what are people going to research this for the next 20-years?" Yeah like JFK, and get nowhere? How much more ballistics do we need? It's all becoming one big distraction with no focus on naming names and calling for their arrests.

I think people on this forum are losing their frigging minds.

[harmonius]

I guess I will take this into further digression off subject...

[EDIT]: @ Phil999 sort of...

Yes Phil, I agree with much of that.

I think we have to expose who is doing what so that we can change what they are doing. The key element in this seems to be the one thing that people often are incapable of; that is to say we are, almost pathologically, unable to ask the correct questions (percentages are higher here mind you.) Most people can't ask a correct question to save their lives, if they can actually ask a question at all. Most people only have questions like: "Should I have fries with that, or the side salad?"

It's fine to want to change things, but unless we have the ability to ask ourselves what we want and what is important individually/collectively and what our responsibilities are, we are quite likely, to paraphrase you, to end up with the same problems. It does so happen that there are particular groups that have far greater representation and influence than many in the system of control.

So then, what do we do to expose these people most effectively whilst incapacitating the mental and physical organization that that causes these thought forms and actions to continue? In some ways I understand why during revolutions like with Pol-Pot or Stalin etc. you completely wipe out the intelligentsia including their institutions so you can replace them with your own. Unfortunately this method is ultimately thee younger wolf challenging the Alpha male for dominance over the pack, with a whole lot of casualties. Nothing really changes in the end.

The cycle always seems to repeat in this manner except for civilizations that simply fade away due to environmental over-taxation or cultural degradation, both of which stem from arrogance. The third method of course is the freak of nature tidal wave or asteroid.

In the broadest sense, what do we want, what are we going to do, and how are we going to do it? Questions for each of us to reflect upon.

I think of TKRA at this point with his 'greedtards' saying and see how aptly it applies. What kind of therapy do we undertake to halt the pathological meme of greedtardism?

I like the idea of the US Republic-an system that was the ultimate attempt to provide individual rights within the framework of a Federal system. However the inherent desire of people to want an easy life and be sold lies that are 'to good to be true,' is rampant and I think may always be. This should be obvious for all to see at this point on the collective level. That being said, perhaps the only way to guard against abuse of power is to have no institutions with the ability to wield great power at all, ie: No Federalsim. Decentralized autonomous zones that are run on the merits of individuals and the common interest, not by powers of persuasion. Should the virtuous not lead? I know it sounds kinda Utopian and the world is so perilously uneducated and disinterested that it probably is. So without forcing our will on others, how do we change the game without resorting to the dirty tricks of TPTB?

Education is obviously the key, but people need to be at a level where they are truly empowered and shown the skills to make healthy informed choices. Giving people the skills and powers of discernment to determine what is appropriate is probably more important than all the NWO exposing because people will see the effects of devious behaviour and know exactly what to do about it. This comes to mind: Rudolf Rocker wrote in Anarcho-Syndicalism: "Political rights do not originate in parliaments; they are rather forced upon them from without. And even their enactment into law has for a long time been no guarantee of their security. They do not exist because they have been legally set down on a piece of paper, but only when they have become the ingrown habit of a people, and when any attempt to impair them will meet with the violent resistance of the populace."

Once we realize what the game is and how its being played vis a vis black ops, false flags, social engineering, economics, education etc., it becomes so transparently obvious what is going on. In other words it would be like watching a hockey game for the first time; you would have no clue. Once you learn the rules It is as plain as day. You could stop watching hockey for 20 years, all the players have changed, but the game is the same. I feel the exact same way about the NWO shell game. I know the rules; how the game is played, what the goals are, what plays will be used, which teams are on the roster. In fact it is painfully obvious to me at this point. I could quite easily stop researching everything related to the subject, walk away for 50 years, and know exactly what is happening in the world. That's why I stopped reading Icke after perusing a few pages of the book that came out after the biggest secret. There was nothing new, it's all formula from there on in. His work like most is just rehash/reflection of the the world he studies. I had a guy ask me to help him write a book about the NWO and go on a speaking tour with him. I saw no point because I could point out at least 100 books and and a vast number of speakers that people could already see. I would have only been helping to regurgitate the same information available. All I need to do is create the interest in someone and the rest is all available.

Most people who get information about what is going on ultimately have to go to work the next day just to make ends meet. There are so few alternatives that will give the people freedom to live the life they want. Almost all alternatives still rely on the system and are beholden to it. And when trying to make ends meet there is usually no energy to deal with fighting the system. I would be much happier trying to create an autonomous centre for people to participate and create a template for a working system on a small scale. This may even be the most dangerous route to take because nothing poses a greater threat to the system than a good alternative example and we could all probably list a few groups wiped out for attempting just that.


Maybe I'm rambling now, and waaaay off subject but that's what you spurred on Phil...


MMM

PS: just befor I posted this I did a preview and saw your post rockclimber which was not there at the start of my writing. Funny how we kind of on the same wavelength about as you said: ""what are people going to research this for the next 20-years?" Yeah like JFK, and get nowhere?":)

[standvast]

Quote:I do believe he called you out standvast.

I'm aware of that, but in a sense i've made my point allready,
and Og is right , i break balls sometimes to keep people on their toes. :wink:

and i said ;

Quote:Need i give another name or label ? , no i'm saying i think no label suffices , and
that in my rationale it is much more likely that there are warring factions than a
single dominating cabal.

Who do i envision at the non-existant top of the pyramid ?

If you want to look at which groups have been striving for control of the middle east,
and the holy cities and lands described in the Bible before there was a thing called "zionism"
[eurocentric and aristocratic Brits , Germans, the vatican ,] for i believe further back than the documented crusades .
Now think for how long the idea of genetic racial superiority has been around,
in what culture it took shape, and who the main proponents of this idea have been.

I don't think "the zionists" did all of that.

The game of money , the stock markets, the central banks , the central euro private banks , the city states,
the gold monopoly, the geostrategic dominance scheme, colonisation, wiping out entire cultures.
systemic plundering and inventing that euphemistically calling the lands you've plundered "the third world",
makes people forget the reasons for those peoples current misery in 2 generations.

i don't think "the joos" covers all the folks involved.

i think you get my point.

peace'

[Ognir]

Quote:The game of money , the stock markets, the central banks , the central euro private banks , the city states, the gold monopoly, the geostrategic dominance scheme, colonisation, wiping out entire cultures.

8/9 out 9 being run by our friends for 0.005% of the world population

The invention of money was the start of our modern day problems, i.e. Goldsteins sorry Goldsmiths, and sucked us in at first before raping our systems and to finally just doing what they tell us to do.

Stand you just don't want to believe and how about something for me to research to prove that my theories are wrong or incorrect. Your above list wouldn't last pissin time

Come on Stand, don't let me down here, there must be something, or another angle I missed


They Run/Own/Rule :

The Federal Reserve (Phelps can kiss my ass)
The Bank of England
The CROWN
The Gold Market
The Diamond Market
Four out of Five US Media Companies
Let's just mention US foreign policy
etc etc

I hope I'm making a point:geek:

[MC David]

Quote:

Quote:The game of money , the stock markets, the central banks , the central euro private banks , the city states, the gold monopoly, the geostrategic dominance scheme, colonisation, wiping out entire cultures.

8/9 out 9 being run by our friends for 0.005% of the world population

The invention of money was the start of our modern day problems, i.e. Goldsteins sorry Goldsmiths, and sucked us in at first before raping our systems and to finally just doing what they tell us to do.

Stand you just don't want to believe and how about something for me to research to prove that my theories are wrong or incorrect. Your above list wouldn't last pissin time

Come on Stand, don't let me down here, there must be something, or another angle I missed


They Run/Own/Rule :

The Federal Reserve (Phelps can kiss my ass)
The Bank of England
The CROWN
The Gold Market
The Diamond Market
Four out of Five US Media Companies
Let's just mention US foreign policy
etc etc

I hope I'm making a point:geek:

What about the Vatican, don't they actually run that too?

*disclaimer: this doesn't mean I think the Vatican was ever good*

[Ognir]

Shit it's not like I'd ever defend those pedos in the vatican or their handlers

[MC David]

Yeah fuck the Vatican, past and present. But now they're run by Zionist Jews as well I believe so you can add the Catholic Church to that list.