The True Torah Jews Have No Part In The Affair Against The Swiss

[FighterFromAfar]

THE TORAH TRUE JEWS HAVE NO PART IN THE AFFAIR AGAINST THE SWISS

According to the Torah, we must declare that the true Jews are opposed to these rebelling acts: requests from, investigations of, accusations and claims against Switzerland (banks, government, institutions) or any nation. We will not take any money or assets resulting therefrom. For sure we are opposed to the boycott threats, coercive tactics, insults and intimidation.

This we know, that during the war Switzerland was a safe haven for thousands of Jews, including those admitted from surrounding occupied countries, and Jews lived there peacefully. Moreover, Switzerland and Sweden provided - at great risk - safe houses in Budapest which sheltered 100,000 Jews.

THE BELIEF AND TORAH TEACHING DURING EXILE

We have been forsworn by G'd "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour, not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the yoke of exile. To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed. (Talmud Tractate Ksubos 111). To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against the fundamentals of our Belief.

Before the Almighty gave us the Holy Land 3268 years ago, He made these conditions: If we will abide by the Torah, it is ours; if not, we will be expelled. Alas, we sinned, and we were exiled from the land "Umipnay chatoenu golenu mayartsenu". Only through complete repentance will the Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from exile. This will be after G'd will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who will make all Jews do complete repentance. At that time there will be universal peace.

Any suffering in exile is a punishment from G'd and we cannot do anything about it on our own because nations where we suffered are only instruments of G'd's anger at our misdeeds. The Torah teaches us how to survive during exile (Vayishlach) by being humble (not vindictive, demanding or vengeful). The Torah gives an example of this and says that in the ocean one must go under the wave (Talmud, Tractate Yevomos 121). We have to take the punishment; if we go against it, we will suffer more. The only way to alleviate suffering in exile is through repentance. We must mend our ways and pray that G'd should not punish us again.

The Jewish people remained faithful to the Belief for over 1800 years and dealt with the problems of exile accordingly and never asked for things taken from them until the advent of Zionism 100 years ago.

ZIONIST EXILE POLITICS

The Zionists do not believe that Jews are a special nation but they say that Jews are a nationalistic people, a nation like all the nations, and can solve their problems by their own power using the slogan "Never Again!" They say that we Jews were exiled because we had a weak army and suffer in exile because we are not standing up physically and politically, are not speaking out loudly, unashamedly, are letting ourselves be trampled on and are not demanding restitution. They claim that with a strong army we can remove ourselves from exile. By using the new atheist exile politics they provoked and increased anti-Semitism in Europe which led to the Second World War and the destruction of European Jewry. All the great Rabbis have warned of the terrible consequences of the Zionist heresy. The same exile politics has caused the problems in the Middle East where Jews lived peacefully with the Arabs until the advent of Zionism. Now the same tactics are being used against the Swiss and other nations.

The act alone of seeking compensation and restitution from a nation - even without threats - provokes anti-Semitism, whether or not they receive what they ask. Anti-Semitism is a phenomenon serving the basic goal of Zionism - to increase immigration to their state. This is evidenced by the fact that the whole campaign against the Swiss was initiated in the Zionist state by Avraham Burg, head of the Jewish Agency (the Zionist organization promoting immigration to the Zionist state).

ZIONIST CHUTZPAH

How could the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress (a major Zionist organization) have the nerve to ask for Jewish assets? The worldwide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress enraged Hitler so that he threatened to destroy the Jews. Then the Wannsee Conference convened in January 1942, decided the fate of the Jews, and the real suffering started. The Zionists also refused and blocked rescue efforts and food supplies during the war. Their motto was "Rak B'Dam (Only by blood will we get the land)"

WE DECLARE:



* The Zionist state or any Zionist organization, or one that calls itself "World Orthodox Council" and any individual involved in this issue does not represent the Torah true Jews.
* The Torah true Jews plead with the politicians involved in this matter to stop dealing with this.

WE HEREBY PROCLAIM:



* Zionism is a heresy, and true Jews are not contaminated by Zionism. True Jews have no part in Zionist activities. According to the Torah, we are not allowed to insult, humiliate or dominate another people.
* All land should be returned to the Palestinian nation, and other occupied lands should be returned to Syria and Lebanon.
* Zionist politicians and their fellow travellers, even if they appear religious, do not speak for the Jewish people. Indeed, the Zionist conspiracy against Jewish tradition and law makes Zionism and all its deeds and entities the arch-enemy of the Jewish people!"


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[Zarkonia]

that's like a communist saying they don't support stalin. while a communist may not support stalin oppression like stalin is the result of communism.
ignore what they say, watch what they do. watch what happens.


i been learning about the jews for a long time and for ages my mind would resist what i was learning due to all the brainwashing i got as i was growing up in school and from society.

it is unfortunate that jews can't help the way they are just as a dangerous spider can't help the way it is. when you see a poisonous spider in the house you don't let it live do you? you kill it even though you don't like killing as your family is more important.

the jews are the same. it is a hard saying but we all know that they are the enemy and they either must all be put somewhere together where they cannot hurt and scam anyone. if they not willing to be put in this place then they have to be eradicated.

you never hear the truth in the mainstream and most people are cowards and will not face unpleasant truths. i',m glad concen is different.

[Phil999]

Quote:that's like a communist saying they don't support stalin. while a communist may not support stalin oppression like stalin is the result of communism.
ignore what they say, watch what they do. watch what happens.


i been learning about the jews for a long time and for ages my mind would resist what i was learning due to all the brainwashing i got as i was growing up in school and from society.

it is unfortunate that jews can't help the way they are just as a dangerous spider can't help the way it is. when you see a poisonous spider in the house you don't let it live do you? you kill it even though you don't like killing as your family is more important.

the jews are the same. it is a hard saying but we all know that they are the enemy and they either must all be put somewhere together where they cannot hurt and scam anyone. if they not willing to be put in this place then they have to be eradicated.

you never hear the truth in the mainstream and most people are cowards and will not face unpleasant truths. i',m glad concen is different.

I don't know what concen is really about, there is a lot of frustration, hate, racism, although many claim not to be racist. But I am not racist, I know Jews, they are not poison spiders, and it is absolutely silly to claim they should be herded or eradicated. I guess you don't know what you are talking about.

Back to the topic, I've read an interesting article:

***mnk. New York, April 2007, Neue Zürcher Zeitung (NZZ)
On September 11th 200, the leading judge Edward Korman (New York) finished an agreement of the distribution of the payments from the Swiss banks CS (Credit Suisse) and UBS (Union Bank of Switzerland) to Jewish victims. Around 1 billion from the 1.25 billion US$ have been paid until now to around 400.000 victims. This agreement accused the banks, that they made profits with the Nazi regime. Together with the Special Masters Michael Bradfield and Judah Gribetz, judge Korman created new categories of payments in the agreement, called "plausible, not documented claims", due to a massive destruction and cover-up of documents from the banks.

Gigantic fees for lawyers

Ronald Schoenberg (Los Angeles) earned around 20 million US$, Burt Neuborne (New York) 4.7 million US$. While Bradfield and Gribetz received 500 and 390 $ per hour, Neuborne demanded 890 $ per hour. He reduced his claim to 700 $ per hour, and reduced 1500 from the 6800 hours, because he calculated more than 24 hours for certain days.

20 million administrative expenses per year

Parade of affairs and scandals

Neuborne made sure that his former collegue, Edward Fagen, has nothing to say in the matter. Fagen has declared bancruptcy in Florida. Alan Hevesi, another key person in the matter, had to step back after being forced to admit he used tax money for private use. Israel Singer had to step back because he took several millions from accounts from the Jewish World Congress in Geneva and Israel. Jewish World Congress president Edgar Bronfman, who expelled Singer, is also under pressure. He also had to step back from the Israel Discount bank.***


This is a short traduction from a one-page article. Bear in mind that I am not very good in English, and especially in commerce language. I did quote the billion and million figures correct, though.

My personal opinion: it is true that many (I don't want to name figures here) Jews found a save haven in Switzerland. There always are and have been anti-Jewish sentiments in Switzerland, but not very strong. But there are also many Jews who were rejected at the Swiss border, although they were refugees. And when it comes to money, big money especially, almost everyone becomes corrupt, also the Swiss. Only god knows, what gains the Swiss banks have made during the second World War. Of course there are people who know, but they will never tell, never.
Therefore, I find it good when the Swiss banks have to pay now. Corruption shall never be allowed, because it is still going on. I have seen a new documentary about Swiss involvments in the "Oil for food"-scandal, and history repeats itself again. Switzerland is very proud of its humanitarian tradition, but as far as I can see it is only a sad joke. Empty word written on paper.

[mothandrust]

Quote:that's like a communist saying they don't support stalin. while a communist may not support stalin oppression like stalin is the result of communism.
ignore what they say, watch what they do. watch what happens.

i been learning about the jews for a long time and for ages my mind would resist what i was learning due to all the brainwashing i got as i was growing up in school and from society.

it is unfortunate that jews can't help the way they are just as a dangerous spider can't help the way it is. when you see a poisonous spider in the house you don't let it live do you? you kill it even though you don't like killing as your family is more important.

the jews are the same. it is a hard saying but we all know that they are the enemy and they either must all be put somewhere together where they cannot hurt and scam anyone. if they not willing to be put in this place then they have to be eradicated.

you never hear the truth in the mainstream and most people are cowards and will not face unpleasant truths. i',m glad concen is different.

sounds like Nazism to me - racist, ignorant, simplistic

also factually inaccurate

[harmonius]

Quote:that's like a communist saying they don't support stalin. while a communist may not support stalin oppression like stalin is the result of communism.
ignore what they say, watch what they do. watch what happens.


i been learning about the jews for a long time and for ages my mind would resist what i was learning due to all the brainwashing i got as i was growing up in school and from society.

it is unfortunate that jews can't help the way they are just as a dangerous spider can't help the way it is. when you see a poisonous spider in the house you don't let it live do you? you kill it even though you don't like killing as your family is more important.

the jews are the same. it is a hard saying but we all know that they are the enemy and they either must all be put somewhere together where they cannot hurt and scam anyone. if they not willing to be put in this place then they have to be eradicated.

you never hear the truth in the mainstream and most people are cowards and will not face unpleasant truths. i',m glad concen is different.

Well you must be one of, or a combination of three things:

An intellectual coward because you cannot believe that it is impossible for everyone of a particular race, creed, color to be capable of acting independently of their stereotype.

A fucking moron.

A disinfo agent sent here to try and smear this whole site. You get paychecks from the ADL?


MMM

[Ognir]

LOL MMM

However, let me add the following :

Quote:i been learning about the jews for a long time and for ages my mind would resist what i was learning due to all the brainwashing i got as i was growing up in school and from society.

I absolutely 100% agree and that's part of their plan

Quote:it is a hard saying but we all know that they are the enemy

Quote:if they not willing to be put in this place then they have to be eradicated.

The problem with your statement is that not all Jews are involved, only the top maybe 5% of Elite Rich Zionists, the others are sheep like the rest of us

I dare anyone to tell me any person or group that are higher up or above the Zionist Jews...There simply isn't, but if anyone has a name for me........

[standvast]

Quote:I dare anyone to tell me any person or group that are higher up or above the Zionist Jews...
There simply isn't, but if anyone has a name for me........

How would a name do you any good? , "zionist jews" is a mere name,
i for one highly doubt the people portaying themselves as "zionists "
can even be considered jewish beyond they themselves saying that they are.

"the zionists at the top "consist of mostly "jews" ? nope -> there are more Christian zionists than anything else.

"zionists" are not one amalgemous group working towards a common goal.

thinking in select groups with labels and titles doesn't cut it,
because the titles are propably the best mindtrick one can pull, to direct the
anger of the "awakened mass" towards groups identifiable by "race/color/creed"
"It " isn't THE Jews" , and also ; It isn't THE zionists , just like it isn't any other select
group the public can easily fit a title to , there is no all-encompassing conspiracy with
one amalgemous labelable group behind it.
The idea that there is no opposing faction of elite's to what is percieved as "the zionist jews" sounds ridiculous to me.



peace'

[Zarkonia]

i just think that our genetics have a big part in how we act.

i know most jews don't know about the rich jews plan but they support the plan by proxy due to their nature.

perhaps a better solution would be to abolish what the jews believe and abolish zionism. kind of a reverse of the laws that make holocaust questions illegal in some countries.

i think your right about christian jews as now that i think about it they have all different blood. so what they believe must be targeted to solve the problem.

any ideas on how we can do this?

[Ognir]

Ok let's forget about religion, The Elite Families then, started the whole system by Rothschild

No one above these whatever you want to call them

[Ognir]

Actually some of the jews I know think they are Zionists because they support the State of Israel, these are not who I'm talking about by a long shot

The group lead by Rothschild runs from the top, mostly Jewish background

WTF am I supposed to call them?

[Phil999]

I simply call them the "club".

It is clear to me that there is not only one right-wing fascist zionist group who is responsible for all the terror and dying. Many more people from very different creeds and cultures are also responsible for it.

I see only the force behind what drives a person/group/government bad. The force of the stronger, the lack of morale, the worshiping of Mammon, the god of money.

I think we don't need a name for it. We can just see the force behind.

[Ognir]

I see Jooz at the very top level and Standvast can kiss my ass as I can't find a better word:rofl:

I would include the inbreeding royals and some others that have sold out otherwise the rest of them are below the top tier group

[standvast]

Don't get me wrong Og, i personally don't care that you pick whatever label
you see as best descriptive of the particular group you refer to, ..
what i am saying is to think within the brackets of the labels and the connotations
these labels have is limiting, not only to how someone else reads into your description,
but also within ones own mind, the formulation imposes perceptive limitations.

i don't mean to bitch about semantics or give you shit, but i think being concious of nuances
and applying them , so others take note of them , is important.
besides that ; westernized zionists do not represent Judaism [in a religious /traditional ] sense,
so perhaps i am sensitive to hearing the term joos used in a [what i interpret as a somewhat ] indiscriminative sense.

peace'
don't take it personal Ogstah , we are; :cool: :biggrin:

[Phil999]

excellent, standvast. You said what I am not able to say in English.

Also, to Ognir, I also don't mean it personal. But you have asked, and you got an answer, although you don't like it, obviously.

[Ognir]

Let me be nice ......

I don't give a rat's what either of you think, I've researched and researched and all roads leads to the same group, Rothschildites.

Otherwise instead of talking bollock to me, point me in another direction, who else should we look into?