Is Aj The Mouthpiece For The Truth Movement?

[byrd]

i just emailed AJ today and asked him id he'd go with me. like, steadily.

still awaiting a response.

fingers crossed tho!

[Cycle of Eternity]

Quote:

Quote:it's common sense man! why give your power to anyone over yours?
it's a no-brainer.

So do you subscribe to Anarchism as a political philosophy? And to avoid any confusion, here's an awful description of Anarchism from Wikipedia:

i don't think politics, religion or any form of structured belief systems. i think with a naturally free mentality.
So if you think in ways of politics you might call it Anarchism or with religion you can call me the devil.
Either way, my point is a naturally free point not meant to be taken in any other way.

To expand, my point was that i think everyone has a say and no one's voice should be louder than anyone else's
(though those ignorant should shut up and learn something). So in this corrupted world where
everyone has their own '1 and only truths', i feel the natural truth really is the only truth.
Any separate ideologies, imo, are artificial to what really is. And to ask "what really is", again, i feel
that person should shut up and learn something from nature (and the nature in themselves).
So in regard to that, i see this artificial world as a huge conspiracy to suppress that what is true and just is.
ironically and rather ingeniously, they use that to suppress us from it. So i guess you can see the lies
they use are real...but are real fake. It's a crazy world, but understanding it doesn't make you crazy.

As for AJ, i think he should keep giving the people the info but leave his personal opinions and agendas out
of it. I'm not saying he's completely stupid or doesn't have any good ideas, but i know i don't always agree
with him. So to look at him as a big info-warrior fighting for what i believe in would be FALSE.

[FighterFromAfar]

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I'm going to highlight this little quote again just to make it clear that Alex Jones does set himself up as the Internet leader in activist media, as well as the Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Hell, ConCen is probably a better source of activist media and we're not afraid to talk about Zionism here.

[shZ]

Quote:But to stay on topic, can you expand on what you mean by AJ being a mouthpeice for the "truth" movement?

Under the assumption that you mean he represents "the movement," like an ambasador to the general [sheep] public, on our behalf, sort of I guess. But if you mean that the sheep see him as cumilatively representing our veiws, yes, and I think that's not exactly a good thing for the reason you stated and others aswell. One problem I have with the usage of terminology in the "truth" movement as it lacks any clear definition, along with a bunch of other terms throw around pretty often here. My beef with mixing AJ and the phrase "truth movement" is that he obfuscates certain issues, we all know what those are. That's kind of antithetical to "the truth." The fact of the matter is that most people are to scared to talk about the complete "truth" when it comes to 9-11, and I'm not necessarily saying I haven't been guilty of this eigther. But I am getting rather sick of the phrase "truth movement" considering it's become somewhat disingenuous keeping in mind the label it associates itself with.

BTW, just to clear up any confusion, this post was directed at Og.

[rockclimber]

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I'm going to highlight this little quote again just to make it clear that Alex Jones does set himself up as the Internet leader in activist media, as well as the Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Hell, ConCen is probably a better source of activist media and we're not afraid to talk about Zionism here.

No were not afraid to talk about Zionism, and I hope most are adult enough to hear me out without having a fit here:

For a guy who is referred, and refers to himself as fearless and courageous, he is anything but that. In fact I will take it a step further: he's a gatekeeper. He wants the story to move in his direction only. I took the same attitude as others for quite a long while, AJ did not want to talk about Israel/Zionism for fear of being labeled. I defended him tooth and nail and many of you long timers know that. In fact, let me back up. At first, because of religious reasons and ignorance, I thought the claim that the Zionists/Israel were involved was preposterous and blasphemy. As an "enlightened" 9-11 researcher, I just knew that our 'best friend' and 'chosen people' could do no such thing. However, after carefully researching the facts from both political/religious I have now done a 180.

For those of you who will say I have a bias against AJ, yes perhaps I do and I can explain it. To begin with I find him suspicious, but let me start by saying this: If I give you 90% good info and 10% disinfo, doesn't that still make me a liar?
I am now convinced that only a fool would doubt that the Zionists were behind 9-11 (and countless other conspiracies-see Zionist section). And to that I challenge everyone to watch Ry Dawson's 'PNAC 911 All roads lead to Israel' for starters. It's on the tracker and it's available on video.google.com. Ry provides nothing but the facts-straight up. Now then, take a giant step back after watching it and connect the dots. It will all begin to make sense. Back to AJ. The first thing that pissed me off was the fact that he shifts the blame away from Israel to America after they bombed the ever loving shit out of the U.S.S. Liberty. I argue that LBJ was about as compromised a President as this country has ever had, and I believe the Mossad had plenty of dirt on the guy. So yes, a cover-up was ordered and it was an amazing thing to cover up. If you haven't watched the U.S.S. Liberty documentary, I highly suggest it. You will know who is to blame in the end, and AJ dumbs it down by blaming LBJ. If you want to know how powerful Zionist Israel is, I refer you to the AIPAC documentary pinned in the Zionist section or Video Google Paul Findley Dare to Speak Out, a very sincere man with a shining career in politics with not an ounce of racism in him. He is just telling it like it is.

Another thing Alex does is he completely avoids the Zionist connection and often obfuscates the connection/facts. Ok, you can argue that he has mentioned them from time to time, but he has NEVER, EVER, dedicated an entire "show" or "program" to his audience tying in their complicity. In his earlier shows after 9-11 he was a bit more bold. And I always catch him saying that "yes Israel was involved but so are the freemasons, the satanists, the bilderbergs, the TC, CFR, New World Order etc., etc., etc. when after examining the evidence Israel imho, had a HUGE hand in the conspiracy. Was Cheney and Rummy involved? Yes, but they are treasonous greedwhores with no loyalty to America anyway. One gives you Haliburton and FEMA Camps and purposeless wars, the other gives you Aspartame, Tamiflu and purposeless wars. I rest my case. Totally corrupt and compromised individuals and useful idiots for the Zionists. Alex has to know these facts, he absolutely does in my opinion.

So if you conclude that Alex doesn't want to move in that direction because he will be labeled anti-semite and will be shutdown and not taken seriously, than that's your business, and if he could stop there with that though I could halfway understand it. But the bottom line is he lies and obfuscates the facts, and he does not deserve to be labeled fearless and courageous.

Has he been compromised? Has he received a death threat? Only Alex knows, but he does have alliances with many shady groups with Zionist connections as well, and they all deny a Zionist connection.

All IMHO of course.

[MC David]

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I'm going to highlight this little quote again just to make it clear that Alex Jones does set himself up as the Internet leader in activist media, as well as the Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Hell, ConCen is probably a better source of activist media and we're not afraid to talk about Zionism here.

No were not afraid to talk about Zionism, and I hope most are adult enough to hear me out without having a fit here:

For a guy who is referred, and refers to himself as fearless and courageous, he is anything but that. In fact I will take it a step further: he's a gatekeeper. He wants the story to move in his direction only. I took the same attitude as others for quite a long while, AJ did not want to talk about Israel/Zionism for fear of being labeled. I defended him tooth and nail and many of you long timers know that. In fact, let me back up. At first, because of religious reasons and ignorance, I thought the claim that the Zionists/Israel were involved was preposterous and blasphemy. As an "enlightened" 9-11 researcher, I just knew that our 'best friend' and 'chosen people' could do no such thing. However, after carefully researching the facts from both political/religious I have now done a 180.

For those of you who will say I have a bias against AJ, yes perhaps I do and I can explain it. To begin with I find him suspicious, but let me start by saying this: If I give you 90% good info and 10% disinfo, doesn't that still make me a liar?
I am now convinced that only a fool would doubt that the Zionists were behind 9-11 (and countless other conspiracies-see Zionist section). And to that I challenge everyone to watch Ry Dawson's 'PNAC 911 All roads lead to Israel' for starters. It's on the tracker and it's available on video.google.com. Ry provides nothing but the facts-straight up. Now then, take a giant step back after watching it and connect the dots. It will all begin to make sense. Back to AJ. The first thing that pissed me off was the fact that he shifts the blame away from Israel to America after they bombed the ever loving shit out of the U.S.S. Liberty. I argue that LBJ was about as compromised a President as this country has ever had, and I believe the Mossad had plenty of dirt on the guy. So yes, a cover-up was ordered and it was an amazing thing to cover up. If you haven't watched the U.S.S. Liberty documentary, I highly suggest it. You will know who is to blame in the end, and AJ dumbs it down by blaming LBJ. If you want to know how powerful Zionist Israel is, I refer you to the AIPAC documentary pinned in the Zionist section or Video Google Paul Findley Dare to Speak Out, a very sincere man with a shining career in politics with not an ounce of racism in him. He is just telling it like it is.

Another thing Alex does is he completely avoids the Zionist connection and often obfuscates the connection/facts. Ok, you can argue that he has mentioned them from time to time, but he has NEVER, EVER, dedicated an entire "show" or "program" to his audience tying in their complicity. In his earlier shows after 9-11 he was a bit more bold. And I always catch him saying that "yes Israel was involved but so are the freemasons, the satanists, the bilderbergs, the TC, CFR, New World Order etc., etc., etc. when after examining the evidence Israel imho, had a HUGE hand in the conspiracy. Was Cheney and Rummy involved? Yes, but they are treasonous greedwhores with no loyalty to America anyway. One gives you Haliburton and FEMA Camps and purposeless wars, the other gives you Aspartame, Tamiflu and purposeless wars. I rest my case. Totally corrupt and compromised individuals and useful idiots for the Zionists. Alex has to know these facts, he absolutely does in my opinion.

So if you conclude that Alex doesn't want to move in that direction because he will be labeled anti-semite and will be shutdown and not taken seriously, than that's your business, and if he could stop there with that though I could halfway understand it. But the bottom line is he lies and obfuscates the facts, and he does not deserve to be labeled fearless and courageous.

Has he been compromised? Has he received a death threat? Only Alex knows, but he does have alliances with many shady groups with Zionist connections as well, and they all deny a Zionist connection.

All IMHO of course.

Agreed, there is a lot of gatekeeping that's done & it's not helpful. The USS Liberty thing was the most blatant & then having the Jews For Firearms group on. Not only that but having them on & not challenging their political opinions at all. Like if I had a radio show (which would be cool & I may try to do one day once I know more) I would maybe have someone like that on for the one thing they're good on but then challenge them on their political views if they were for Zionism or something to. I wouldn't just excuse it & pretend like I'm for it & on the same page w/this person while they were on the air. Silence is consent.

And then to not only not challenge it but promote the website too without giving any sort of disclaimer for the political views it puts out. It just demonstrates complicity & a lack of geniune desire for the problems we face to improve despite endless emotional pleas to the contrary.

I'm not saying any one journalist is perfect is the ultimate source for truth, but for example look at D.L. Abrahamson's presentation at the Project For a New American Citizen conference in Texas & compare the level of information to Alex's.

[shZ]

Right on.

EDIT: I'm also sick of all this idol worship that goes on. And I'm saying that because you can't point out BS coming from certan sources with out being attacked by at least a handful of forum memebers. Since when was the truth movement supposed to be a personality cult? Isn't that the same attitude the sheep are guilty of?

[ephilution]

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:it's common sense man! why give your power to anyone over yours?
it's a no-brainer.

So do you subscribe to Anarchism as a political philosophy? And to avoid any confusion, here's an awful description of Anarchism from Wikipedia:

i don't think politics, religion or any form of structured belief systems. i think with a naturally free mentality.

I beg to differ. You are rather unflexible on the whole global warming issue. You stated that you are not willing to change your position regarding this matter. No offense buddy but this makes you a bigot by definition. Since fixity and rigidity of a mindset is diametrically opposed to the profession of a free mentality you contradict yourself with your "free mentality" claim as compared to your earlier stated position on the identity of the cause of global warming.

Allow me to elaborate. When you hold a set of beliefs or ideas that you are unwaveringly unwilling to change then you are a servant of those beliefs or ideas instead of you being the free controller of your thoughts. You will be willing to jettison or ignore any other mental construct that negatively interferes or contradicts with your fixed set of beliefs that you defend tooth and nail. This is what is referred to in psychology as cognitive dissonance. In contrast a truly free mind will go wherever the information, preferably combined with a sense of reason and logic, leads him to.

To obtain a free mind once requires absolute mental agility, capacity for independent thinking, willingness and preparedness to be wrong (don't be a servant of your ego), severe allergy for prejudice and bigotry, and tons and tons of practice.... :biggrin:

Regarding "truth gurus" I think a quote from Bruce Lee would be in place:

"It's [regarding truth gurus in this case (my brackets)] like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all the heavenly glory."

[harmonius]

@ephilution: These lines you wrote...

Quote:To obtain a free mind once requires absolute mental agility, capacity for independent thinking, willingness and preparedness to be wrong (don't be a servant of your ego), severe allergy for prejudice and bigotry, and tons and tons of practice.... biggrin.gif

...reminded me of a song by Tool called Lateralus. Can't say why but it did.

Quote:Lateralus

Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Black then white are all i see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more and
beckons me to look thru to these infinite possibilities.
as below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving opportunities behind.
Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

I embrace my desire to
I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired to fathom the power, to witness the beauty,
to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
to swing on the spiral
to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I move myeslf between the sounds and open wide to suck it in.
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out. I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.
Spiral out. Keep going.

MMM

[PSX]

love this one

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Stupid shit, silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.

Mom is going to fix it all soon,
Mom is coming round to put it back
the way it oughtta be...

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all these gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.

[JTGOB]

Here's your global warming:


EVIDENCE TAMPERING
From http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear...us-summary.html

Quote:"NEW SAMPLING TECHNIQUE": USHCN VERSION 2

YEAR:CHANGE FROM USHCN V1
2006: -1
1998: +1
1934: -1
1999: +1
1921: +0
1931: -3
1990: +1
2001: +1
1953: -1
2005: +3
1987: +0
1986: +2
1939: -3
1938: -4
1981: -4
1991: +4
2003: +3
2000: +3
1946: -4
1933: -2
2002: +8
2004: +2
1994: +2
1941: REMOVED
1995: ADDED

NET RANK CHANGE BY DECADE:
2000: +19 (over 7 years)
1990: +10 (minimum change)
1980: -2
1970: N/A
1960: N/A
1950: -1
1940: -5 (minimum change)
1930: -13
1920: 0

FROM http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1139 :

According to the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC), a new Beta version of the U.S. Historical Climatology Network will be released next year. They say that the new data set uses:

Quote:recent scientific advances that better address uncertainties in the instrumental record. Because different algorithms were used in making adjustments to the station data which comprise both data sets, there are small differences in annual average temperatures between the two data sets. These small differences in average temperatures result in minor changes in annual rankings for some years.

One of these "minor changes" reverses the order of 1934 and 1999, with the relative change amounting to 0.45 deg F. And, in fact, the new changes are on top of some other puzzling changes which had already moved 1999 well up the league table.

Here’s the top part of the table comparing the top series in the two versions:

____USHCN V1_____USHCN Version 2 undergoing beta testing
1._ 2006 55.01 ____ 1998 55.09
2._ 1998 54.94 ____ 2006 54.95
3._ 1934 54.91 ____ 1999 54.61
4._ 1999 54.53 ____ 1934 54.54
5._ 1921 54.49 ____ 1921 54.37
6._ 1931 54.34 ____ 1990 54.37
7._ 1990 54.24 ____ 2001 54.35
8._ 2001 54.23 ____ 2005 54.28
9._ 1953 54.18 ____ 1931 54.20
10. 1954 54.13 ____ 1953 54.10

Contemporary Reporting

But even the USHCN V1 data shown here has already been adjusted substantially from contemporary reports. First here is a report from August 1999 on the 1998 annual results. Hansen stated:

Quote:But even the USHCN V1 data shown here has already been adjusted substantially from contemporary reports. First here is a report from August 1999 on the 1998 annual results. Hansen stated "The U.S. has warmed during the past century, but the warming hardly exceeds year-to-year variability. Indeed, in the U.S. the warmest decade was the 1930s and the warmest year was 1934."

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/

Here is a graphic from the news release - I’ve been unable to locate a digital version of this dataset. In this image, the 1934 temperature is almost half a degree C (C not F) warmer than 1998, which was not even in second place.


[In fact, the graphic shows that 1998 is in 5th place.]

Next, a contemporary account of 1999 said that it was the approximately the 10th warmest year:

Quote:The temperature in the United States was also warm, about 0.7°C above the 1951-1980 average (Figure 3). 1999 was approximately the 10th warmest year of the century. The warmest years in the United States occurred during the dust bowl era, with 1934 being the warmest year.

http://eobglossary.gsfc.nasa.gov/Study/GlobalWarm1999/

However, in the table shown above, 1999 had moved into 3rd place (in the 20th century standings) in USHCN V1 and then continued its retrospective advance up the league table by vaulting into 2nd place in USHCN V2 Beta. And to think that only 7 years, it ranked in 10th place.

[tkra]

Alex Jones is sort of a globalist stooge, but he's the >BEST< globalist stooge.

He is the most awesome stooge in history, in eternity. He is freaking awesome at what he does.


All facts, All tentacles.
No Octopus.

Just "Generic Globalist Evil"



And he misses BOTH the Zionists and my Jesuit buddies.

The Jesuits kick Zionist ass around the block and run those donkeys. I'd join the Jesuits. I'd help them... but sadly their totalitarian plans are not going to work. It's impossible. They're trying to build an artificial system of world order, rather than a balanced workable one.

Every time I think of Jesuits, I have to refrain from saying "heil". It must have been a past life. It's like a reflex action.

But fascism and money grubbing is not the answer. The real war is to figure out how to fix this goofball planet.

Jones is a Jesuit stooge, just as much as the Zionists. Daddy bush and Grampa Prescott went to Jesuit school after all.

This is awkward for me, but I have to be serious. It's the Jesuits. It's them... And I'd help, I'd join... but their system is FLAWED. It's going to blow up in everyone's faces... even theirs. World Nazi fascist domination sounds great... The Roman Empire all over again. Only problem... the universe is going to treat it as the cancer it is. It's purely artificial. It's a human power structure and NOT a lasting parity based structure.

That's why I can't join or support these guys. I am certain... certain that what they are doing is DOOMED! There's gonna be a reckoning as well if we don't disarm the madness.

But what can I do? Start a website about ethics? Ya, real popular!
You get like gazillions of visitors to ethics related sites you know. They just fricking pour in.
The world WANTS to be moral. :LOL:


tkra@honesty.org

[FighterFromAfar]

You know, I'd like to educate myself more on the Jesuit angle, so I'd appreciate it if you could show me what you have on the Vatican/NWO connections, tkra. Like, articles, books, documentaries, etc.

[Henry]

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I'm going to highlight this little quote again just to make it clear that Alex Jones does set himself up as the Internet leader in activist media, as well as the Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

Hell, ConCen is probably a better source of activist media and we're not afraid to talk about Zionism here.

No were not afraid to talk about Zionism, and I hope most are adult enough to hear me out without having a fit here:

For a guy who is referred, and refers to himself as fearless and courageous, he is anything but that. In fact I will take it a step further: he's a gatekeeper. He wants the story to move in his direction only. I took the same attitude as others for quite a long while, AJ did not want to talk about Israel/Zionism for fear of being labeled. I defended him tooth and nail and many of you long timers know that. In fact, let me back up. At first, because of religious reasons and ignorance, I thought the claim that the Zionists/Israel were involved was preposterous and blasphemy. As an "enlightened" 9-11 researcher, I just knew that our 'best friend' and 'chosen people' could do no such thing. However, after carefully researching the facts from both political/religious I have now done a 180.

For those of you who will say I have a bias against AJ, yes perhaps I do and I can explain it. To begin with I find him suspicious, but let me start by saying this: If I give you 90% good info and 10% disinfo, doesn't that still make me a liar?
I am now convinced that only a fool would doubt that the Zionists were behind 9-11 (and countless other conspiracies-see Zionist section). And to that I challenge everyone to watch Ry Dawson's 'PNAC 911 All roads lead to Israel' for starters. It's on the tracker and it's available on video.google.com. Ry provides nothing but the facts-straight up. Now then, take a giant step back after watching it and connect the dots. It will all begin to make sense. Back to AJ. The first thing that pissed me off was the fact that he shifts the blame away from Israel to America after they bombed the ever loving shit out of the U.S.S. Liberty. I argue that LBJ was about as compromised a President as this country has ever had, and I believe the Mossad had plenty of dirt on the guy. So yes, a cover-up was ordered and it was an amazing thing to cover up. If you haven't watched the U.S.S. Liberty documentary, I highly suggest it. You will know who is to blame in the end, and AJ dumbs it down by blaming LBJ. If you want to know how powerful Zionist Israel is, I refer you to the AIPAC documentary pinned in the Zionist section or Video Google Paul Findley Dare to Speak Out, a very sincere man with a shining career in politics with not an ounce of racism in him. He is just telling it like it is.

Another thing Alex does is he completely avoids the Zionist connection and often obfuscates the connection/facts. Ok, you can argue that he has mentioned them from time to time, but he has NEVER, EVER, dedicated an entire "show" or "program" to his audience tying in their complicity. In his earlier shows after 9-11 he was a bit more bold. And I always catch him saying that "yes Israel was involved but so are the freemasons, the satanists, the bilderbergs, the TC, CFR, New World Order etc., etc., etc. when after examining the evidence Israel imho, had a HUGE hand in the conspiracy. Was Cheney and Rummy involved? Yes, but they are treasonous greedwhores with no loyalty to America anyway. One gives you Haliburton and FEMA Camps and purposeless wars, the other gives you Aspartame, Tamiflu and purposeless wars. I rest my case. Totally corrupt and compromised individuals and useful idiots for the Zionists. Alex has to know these facts, he absolutely does in my opinion.

So if you conclude that Alex doesn't want to move in that direction because he will be labeled anti-semite and will be shutdown and not taken seriously, than that's your business, and if he could stop there with that though I could halfway understand it. But the bottom line is he lies and obfuscates the facts, and he does not deserve to be labeled fearless and courageous.

Has he been compromised? Has he received a death threat? Only Alex knows, but he does have alliances with many shady groups with Zionist connections as well, and they all deny a Zionist connection.

All IMHO of course.

I'm still watching the content you mentioned at first before continueing with the rest of your post. Just finished Ry Dawson's 'PNAC 911 All roads lead to Israel' and am trying to find Paul Findley's "Dare to Speak Out." I see it's a book, but understood that there's a video as well? It's not on google that I can see.

The Ry Dawson vid was great - the only thing for me is that I'm left with the impression that the evil doesn't go much deeper than the current administration or criminals currently living in and around the white house. In this regard it reminded me of when I used to listen daily to Randi Rhodes on Air America - many of the same connections and individuals, just sans the word 'zionism.' Personally I don't find an issue reconciling AJ with the Zionist-focused, and enjoy being exposed to both. I'm an AJ fan, and also understand what Ry says in his vid when he writes:

"I want to say that I like Alex Jones for the most part. I ignore some of his wilder religiously slanted ideas. But he predicted 911 happening! However he is way off on many things. For example parroting Russian Oligarchs and practically ignoring Israel."

My final thought is that the people who study and listen to this stuff (you, me, the board, GCN audience, etc.) are so incredibly excluded from the actual halls of power, and I'm afraid to say so small in number that it's ridiculous. No laws are getting repealed - it's all just going in one direction. Anyone who effectively gets the average person to become aware that the establishment is the bad guy is alright. There's room for all types. People interested in going further will eventually find people like Abrahamson and Ry Dawson like I just did (via you - thanks).

[Ognir]

Has anyone looked at the Vid yet?

@Tkra
Come on buddy, the vatican, :biggrin: yeah right
How holds all the Vatican money, who is their Number one banker?

The old video showing 3 catholic priests in a little rubber boat throwing holy water on the USS Liberty, hoping to sink it was definately an eye-opener for me:crazy: