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mothandrust · 05-06-2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:Yes, I knew we were talking about two different things entirely. Self-serving that Gospel of Thomas, must of been that "other Jesus" talking, i.e., not the authentic one.

i'm guessing you've not read the gospel of Thomas, as it's basically Jesus' sayings, of which over half are reproduced in the Roman bible - just without the narrative

mothandrust · 05-06-2007, 01:03 PM

as for, going to heaven, my God will decide

but remember, anyone who tells you what is beyond death is a liar. a liar through ignorance, delusion or deceit.

no-one knows what is beyond death.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 03:00 PM by SerialExpLain.)

@Standvast:

Quote:you are not concerned with growing ?

Not in the least; the process of existence is dynamic and I trust in God's will for me.

Again, I'm 48 :smile: Hate to say, see that-done that-been there, but I'm sure its something like that.

Quote:gospel of Thomas

I have read enough passages to not discern truths there. (Actually---I couldn't read the whole thing because it made me wince and is downright blasphemous.) Also read Urantia, etc. (Just because it says Jesus said, doesn't mean He said. :wink:)

I do not have any problem at all with THE Bible. The Word.

I did read The New Atlantis, which certainly explained all the new revelations and where they came from.

And I know God can provide whatever he wants to his servants without limitation or qualification and any statement men make otherwise is just that - a statement from the mouths of men.

Quote:will happen to anyone because truly we do not know

Ha! The Bible never says to be an idiot! It says judge and you will be judged, it says quite emphatically who will and will not inherit the Kingdom. Get it goats-sheep --- wheat/tares.

Yes, love your neighbor...do you know how nasty psychos get when they are not loved...have to feed their ego needs.

But if you want the psychopaths there, take that up with God -- Guess what, He doesn't. How do I know that? THE BIBLE...its in there.

The entire Bible is about discerning good and evil, truth and artifice! And explaining why! A goat NEVER becomes a sheep. A tare NEVER becomes wheat.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 05-06-2007, 03:20 PM

Just so we are all on the same page here. When I speak of psychopaths/malignant narcissism you must realize that behind the facade, the mimicry of human behavior lies monstrous rage, not human anger or fury. The are NOT HUMAN, i.e., not part of mankind.

Whether they act on it or not, this is what their nature is behind the mask, the artifice. Do you really think God wants them in heaven? I think the entire Bible was provided so humans would be assured there would be justice in the end. Revenge is God's! I do think He will exact it.

A strong visual aid, so you realize I am not being uncharitable when I speak of these things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuKxofQfraE...ted&search=

standvast · 05-06-2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:Again, I'm 48 smile.gif Hate to say, see that-done that-been there, but I'm sure its something like that.

My interpretation of that is ; i'm hanging a number of age on my mind as it's limit of development,
"seen there done that" makes it sound blasé, .. you're never done learning, adapting,changing.

peace'

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 03:55 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Standvast, I learn something new everyday, that is unavoidable as existence is dynamic.

I do not seek to become anything other than what I am in God's eyes. Just an instrument for Him to do whatever he wants with and I am at peace with that. :smile:

Peace

mothandrust · 05-06-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:I do not have any problem at all with THE Bible. The Word.

the ROMAN Bible - get used to it

Quote:But if you want the psychopaths there, take that up with God -- Guess what, He doesn't. How do I know that? THE BIBLE...its in there.

just cos you interpret things (the Roman Bible) in one way does not make them universal.

and sure, the gospel of Thomas to (Roman) structured authority is absolutely blasphemous, because it suggests people should think for themselves. And we know from history the wars they fought to suppress such 'blasphemous' behaviour. if it was up to Romanism, you wouldn't be able to read the Bible as it would still be in Latin and only their preferred few would be educated in such dangerous arts.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:16 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Look, everybody who has a problem with THE BIBLE, is only telling me one thing:

Wha, Wha...why can't the psychopaths-malignant narcissists-nephilim-vampires usurp heaven too.
Ha! They can't.

Any religion-doctrine aggrandizing the self is just a mechanism created by psychopaths-malignant-narcissists-nephilim-vampires because THEY have an issue with the ending.

No human being is going to be excluded. And I am not interested in any doctrine stating essentially "you should become a god". Because you can't and shouldn't.

ONLY psychopaths-malignant narcissists-nephilim-vampires HAVE TO BE GODS TO THEMSELVES. They have to be, they have no choice in that. It is how they are constructed!

Humans don't have a problem letting God be God, because that is the source of good things that humans like. They know they did not create themselves and they defer to that power in all things-- they trust the Creator not the created.

All get to walk around here (on earth) for a short time, the sun shines for them, the beautiful rain falls on them, they have air to breath, and sustenance for a time....BUT GOD KNOWS HOW IT ENDS.

THE BIBLE RINGS TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE ON THE EARTH.

IT IS THE TRUTH!

standvast · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:13 PM by standvast.)

Quote:No human being is going to be excluded. And I am not interested in any doctrine stating essentially "you should become a god'. Because you can't and shouldn't.

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
~Corinthians 3;16.

We need become nothing , we just be.
yet perhaps that is even more confronting if you can't except personal responsibillity ?

Quote:Any religion-doctrine agradizing the self

[to me]True self equals spirit.

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
~Corinthians 3;16.

Quote:psychopaths-malignant-narcissists-nephilim-vampires

oh those, yeah .:rolleyes:

Quote:THE BIBLE RINGS TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE ON THE EARTH.

IT IS THE TRUTH!

Stating so , repeatedly, preferably in all CAPS overdrama, doesn't make you seem so sure of it at all. :laugh:

peace'

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:26 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:personal responsibillity ?

Your personal responsibility is to let go and trust God to work through you.

ALL CAPS - Yeah, ALL F*CAPS!!

Its just frustrating that everytime you use a computer you encounter the minions of you-know-who, guess that makes it the end-times---total control!

Yeah..Standvast...those!

The same ones that totally wrecked all the havoc on God's beautiful creation....THOSE!

Spirit? There are two.

standvast · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:26 PM by standvast.)

Quote:Your personal responsibility is to let go and trust God to work through you.

Agreed, but the "letting go' is not equivalent to clinging to a book, letting go includes letting go of the book,
letting go of preconceptualized ideas and presuppositions about "god",. till all becomes "nothing personal. :wink:

I like the way you take or leave my remarks. :biggrin:

peace'

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:29 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Standvast, I hardly exclude myself from READING.

When I say let go and let God, I am speaking of SPIRIT.

Peace

deathstickboy · 05-06-2007, 07:33 PM

Quote:Its just frustrating that everytime you use a computer you encounter the minions of you-know-who, guess that makes it the end-times---total control!

Yeah..Standvast...those!

The same ones that totally wrecked all the havoc on God's beautiful creation....THOSE!

The ones also made by God?

Also, did you learn nothing about forgiveness?

ephilution · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 07:47 PM by ephilution.)

Quote:Standvast, I learn something new everyday, that is unavoidable as existence is dynamic.

I do not seek to become anything other than what I am in God's eyes. Just an instrument for Him to do whatever he wants with and I am at peace with that. :smile:

Peace

But how do you know what you are in God's eyes? This presupposes that you have a precise enough idea of what you are in God's eyes. How can this be? Are you on a communicative level with God?

How do you know what God wants you to do for him? If you are but an instrument of God then this negates and makes redundant your free will and you indeed assume yourself to be a mere slave of God. Does your God want you to be his slave barren of own volition? The sociological extension of your religious idyllic argument would be that earth is God's little playground where humans are degraded to nothing but his little tinker toys. What existential purpose then is there left for humans, who according to your line of reasoning, are, in principle, very much indistinguishable from animals?

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007 08:14 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:But how do you know what you are in God's eyes? This presupposes that you have a precise enough idea of what you are in God's eyes. How can this be? Are you on a communicative level with God?

I am God's creation, every attribute I possess was given to me by my Creator. He seeks a dynamic interaction with His creation. It is amazing the communication He is capable of having with those that respect the interchange. Nothing could be better. I finally found that after exploring many alternative spiritual paths.

When you stop striving to become God is when God takes an interest in dynamic interchange.

Quote:How do you know what God wants you to do for him? If you are but an instrument of God then this negates and makes oblivious your free will and you are indeed a mere slave of God.

Yes, you have free will. You can let the ego get out of the way enough to be a slave to God, give him the glory and know that He is the source of all genius in creation and you get very used to being in the state of being a vessel. It is hard to explain in words but very profound in actuality - the difference, as I said something happened in 2002 and I became changed thereafter.

Quote:God's little playground where humans are degraded to nothing but his little tinker toys

God is Love :smile: Grace is what sustains man through anything.

You are born, are a baby, youth-adult-middle-aged-elderly person-- then you die, somewhere along that timeline. That is natural. Those prideful moments one has in life mean nothing. Degraded, well yes, you grow old and die. But noone should ever feel degraded by God -- His value system is different than man's.

Quote:very much indistinguishable from animals

Animals are beautiful in my eyes. I'm sure in God's too.

Quote:The ones also made by God?

Geeze, I really don't have time to get into the whole Genesis 6 issue - but there is a really good video by that title in the Google/Youtube section here which explains my views on that.

Quote:Also, did you learn nothing about forgiveness?

Yep, you always forgive if you are human and have a conscience, you really do. However, the psychopath-malignant-narcissist-vampire-nephilim is only kept at bay so society could remain cohesive in those little interchanges as fighting-killing-wars would only break down societies to the point of extinction early on.

See the beauty of the plan is the harvest time will occur when there are many many souls on earth -- more than ever before. That was what God's plan was.

No monster gets over on God. It just doesn't work that way. God in no way forgives that...that is why He reserves vengeance for Himself.