The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims.

[Starjade]

Quote:Genesis 19:
1. And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords (a title given to men, notice the lowercase L), turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. (we see angels can eat food like men)

Starjade says; My comments were about Daniel though. No Angel called Gabriel is mentioned here. Furthermore, in astral form no Angel can eat food no matter what any say. They have etheric astral bodies and solid matter would simply fall through them. Rather an odd statement altogether actually for if you saw a real angel the last question or thought on your mind would be a wish to wash their feet. You would be asking where they came from if you could recover from the shock. You should be careful about believing in unsubstantiated tales.

Quote:4. But before they lay down, the men of the city, [even] the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men (first instance of men calling angels men, likely unwittingly, but that is beside the point) which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

Starjade says: Now then others come along wanting to meet those they saw as men. Had Angels appeared on such a nasty place then all would be amazed and at peace. Not as angels from God because they wanted to search out the G. Spot. As you claim unwittingly but we have only the writer’s word that Lot saw Angels. They also liked tall tales in their preaching’s in the Old Testament as well you know. I personally think that tale told was done from a moralising viewpoint. Not from actual reality.

Quote:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes: only unto these men (Lot refers to the two angels as men) do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said [again], This one [fellow] came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, [even] Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men (here, the Word refers to the angels as men, this was not Lot or the Sodomites speaking, but the Word) put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that [were] at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
12. And the men (the Word once again, without stuttering, refers to angels as men) said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring [them] out of this place:
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

Starjade says; It is rather silly to assume that any man could hurt an Angel from God. They are not of this world and their bodies may appear real but are not and so they would have nothing to fear. Lot is said to have offered up his daughters to those maggots whiles I would cut off Lots head for that suggestion. I do see the point you are trying to make but Daniel was not speaking of any Angel called Gabriel he was speaking of a man.