The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims.

[Starjade]

Quote:deathstickboy you said; Considering that his revelations were given to him by the Angel Gabriel, which can be traced back to the mingling of the Jews with Chaldean Angelic cults and Zoroastrianism in Babylon, its fairly safe to imagine that prophent mohammad was indeed not actually speaking to "a messenger of God" and if anything he would have had to have been a well practiced occultist to even have the knoweldge and means of how to "communicate" with such "intelligences".

Starjade says: The first mention in history of the Angel Gabriel came from the character Luke in the Christians New Testament. In later history it implied the Angel Gabriel appeared before but that is not true. The Angel Gabriel originated by the Roman Christians character Luke and done so to give some form of religious authenticity to their tales. Done as Mathew said in Chapter one so it might be believed to be the fulfilment of the Prophecy made by Isaiah. Too bad their claim of this Angel Gabriel is not backed up by witnesses or history.

Quote:deathstickboy you said; That is to say, if they are not merely "made up".

Starjade say; Trust me all tales about this Angel Gabriel are made up. And what is more it was the Romans with the help of some Jews who wrote out the tale of this Angel Gabriel some 500 years after the New Testament characters had been claimed to have lived and died. So the Angel Gabriel originated by the word of the Romans inventing a tale about Jesus to make it appear the long awaited Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 Prophet had arrived when he had not in fact history already established the tale of Jesus to be untrue as I have often shown in my Revelations.

Quote:deathstickboy you said; I know this is from a judeo-christian angle, but it applies just as well to Islam, really.

Starjade says: Muhammad had many Christians wives and when he came back from the Cave he went to his wifes cousin who was also a Christian. He was called Waraqa bin Nawful bin Asad al-uzza, apparently Waraqa was a blind old man who had embraced Christianity in the pre Islamic period. When Muhammad told Waraqa what had happened in the cave, Waraqa said that was the Angel Gabriel who is entrusted with the divine secrets that Allah had sent to Moses.

Starjade says; This is Islamic history and what started Muhammad believing he was that Deuteronomy Prophet being visited by the Angel Gabriel. Soon after that it is claimed Muhammad met the Angel Gabriel on the Mountain where this Angel Gabriel told him he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.

Of course whiles sat around the camp fire with no telly all they had to do was listen to religious tales and we all know how some fanatics go all loony on religious matters and before long Muhammad had believed in Jesus and was a wannabe.

But Christians always speak of Jesus as being the son of God and not of Jesus claiming he was that Deuteronomy Chapter 18 verses 15/18 prophet which is what Jesus claimed himself to being that is why Jesus is called the King of the Jews. So Muhammad did not realise that whiles he believed in Jesus he was then proclaiming himself to being the very prophet that he believed Jesus to be without even realising. Hence the 11 Chapters of errors in the Koran and in the claims of Muhammad. Muhammad did climb up that Mountain because he knew he had gone mad. Which is another fact of Islamic history.

Quote:deathstickboy you said; Its a real bitch when your religious beliefs don't have reality on their side, but in truth, if you want to claim that Mohammad was really "visited by a messenger of God" the burden of proof is on you.

Starjade doth say; You speak such words of truth. And I can tell you tales of Muslims and Christians who’s teeth gnash to this very day after realising my Revelations. Nobody bothered to point out the facts to them before for they all sat and listened to their hell fire preachers. They never bothered to actually read their own religious doctrines. And they all have the gall to think that they are religious. I call it most lazy and now I am demanding an account from them and they are always at a loss for words. I demand proof and yet I know none exist and yet when they go looking thinking proof exists and find none then they are silenced with astonishment with much food for thought. It is a better reaction when it is all discovered by their religious scholars who did not know either. Yet the burden of proof is upon them for they are bragging the brag and preaching it as they go. But their words are not true or enlightened and just as empty as a bag of wind.

Quote:deathstickboy you said; However, anthropolgy and even a minor understanding of occultism basically destroys the entire premise, but I'm sure that won't stop you from clinging to your precious myths.

Starjade says: Those who live and die by their religion cling the most. Yet it is said the truth will set you free. But they have found themselves chained all the more.