The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims.
11-16-2007, 11:21 AM
The Sura 4:82 Challenge To All Muslims.
Quote:Horseonwheels said in his words not mine. Starjade says; I went and I challenged them and they bit the Dust...blahblah
Starjade says; Awwww whats the matter horseonwheels dont you have any valid comment on the (cough) arch angel Gabriel or those other staggering amounts of errors found in the Koran. Is this all you can do is waffle out petty insults. Tsk Tsk Tsk that is hardly Islamic of you now you are the only Muslim left in the village.
Quote:Horseonwheels said no you were floored, and refused to look at all the thread suggested and the aritcles allready written, so they just let you alone untill you have done some homework. Try and do as they suggested, read up, and then come back
Strarjade says; I challenged them and they all bit the dust powerless to reply to the staggering lists of errors that exist in the Koran. They could not dispute those errors and they fell under the pressure I put on them with my arrogant demands for replies to those staggering lists of errors. Do not forget anyone on this forum can visit that pathetic Islamic forum and see for themselves how they bit the Dust and that also shows you to be a deceitful liar doesnt it. Clearly you have no shame. Of course we always expect deceptions from Muslims after all how can we trust anyone who worships the moon.
Quote:Horseonwheels quoted. Starjade says; I went and I challenged them and they bit the Dust...hahaha
Quote:Horseonwheels said no you were floored, and refused to look at all the thread suggested and the aritcles allready written, so they just let you alone untill you have done some homework. Try and do as they suggested, read up, and then come back;)
Starjade says; Not only did I give them lists of errors that exist in the Koran by their request I also gave them archaeological evidence that Muslims worship the moon by their request. Iris also gave those Muslims lists of errors that exist in the Koran and they ignored those errors being unable to reply to them.
Oh I see what you are doing it is called distraction. I have exposed the fabricated Angel called Gabriel as a fraud of mans invention and the Koran that Muslims foolishly believe in is said to have come from the word of the mouth of that angel called Gabriel that the Roman writers invented and portrayed using their character luke. Tough for Muslims that one isnt it. I note that you dare not comment on that matter to a vastly religiously superior mind than the whole of Christianity and Islam and so you are blabbering to avoid that issue with your distractions. Its a common Muslim trait.
It is rather sad you dare not comment after all it is known in some corner of the universe that you are a good master debater:)
Hey why not try reply to this error in the Koran. I explain what the errors is and why and you try hahaha to reply.
I hereby name this as yet another error found in the Koran regarding the Korans version of the adoption of Moses by as the Koran says the Pharaoh's wife (in sura 28:9). This story contradicts the Biblical Exodus 2:10 version, which states that it was Pharaoh's daughter who adopted Moses.
Let me explain these things to you as the list of errors found in the Koran accumulates beyond your ability to give any accounts.
Egyptian history proves the error exists in the Koran. The Daughter of the pharaoh Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1 was Nefure Hatshepsut she was not married when she adopted Moses. She only became married when Moses killed the Egyptian and fled Egypt. Had Nefure Hatshepsut not married then the ruling Crown would have been passed onto another family. That is another error I have also named as existing in the Koran. However, the term Pharaoh is a Title and Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. was called Pharaoh but was only a co regent to Pharaoh Ahmosis who lived in Thebes in Memphis. The Pharaoh Ahmosis was the main ruler of Egypt and so Thutmoses 1 /Amenhotep 1. would only be the main ruling Pharaoh after the death of the Pharaoh Ahmosis.
Throwing Stars at the Devils?
And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps,
and we have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans, ...
-- Sura 67:5
We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,
(for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans.
(So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
-- Sura 37:6-8
Meteors, and even stars are said to be missiles fired at eavesdropping Satans and jinn who seek to listen to the reading of the Qur'an in heaven, and then pass on what they hear to men in suras 37:6-10; 55:33-35; 67:5; & 72:6-9.
Oh but my favourite error in the Koran apart from the 11 Chapters of errors in the Koran glorifying Jesus and Muhammad saying the sun set in a pool of muddy water and this matter of the Angel called Gabriel is this matter of the Phenomena of Thunder and Lightning
It is common knowledge, as scientists teach, that thunder is a sound caused by the impact between electrical charges found in the clouds.
Yet Muhammad, the self appointed prophet of Muslims, has a different opinion in this matter. He claims that the thunder and the lightning are two of Gods angelsexactly like Gabriel! Yiou know the fabricated Angel invented by Romans writing out the New Testament in their deceptive tales about Jesus that you avoid.
In the Quran there is a chapter under the title of "Thunder" in which it is recorded that the thunder praises God. We might think that it does not mean that literally because thunder is not a living beingalthough, spiritually speaking, all of nature glorifies God. The expounders of the Quran and its chief scholars, however, insist that Muhammad said that the thunder is an angel exactly like the angel Gabriel. In his commentary (p. 329), the Baydawi comments on verse 13 of chapter of the Thunder,
"Ibn Abbas asked the apostle of God about the thunder. He told him, It is an angel who is in charge of the cloud, who (carries) with him swindles of fire by which he drives the clouds."
In the commentary of the Jalalan (p. 206), we read about this verse:
"The thunder is an angel in charge of the clouds to drive them."
Not only ibn Abbas asked Muhammad about the essence of the thunder, but the Jews did too. In the book, "al-Itqan" by Suyuti (part 4, p. 230), we read the following dialogue:
"On the authority of Ibn Abbas, he said the Jews came to the prophet (peace be upon him) and said, Tell us about the thunder. What is it? He told them:
It is one of Gods angels in charge of the clouds. He carries in his hand a swindle of fire by which he pricks the clouds to drive them to where God has ordered them. They said to him, What is this sound that we hear? He said: (It is) his voice (The angels voice)."
The same incidentthe question of the Jews and Muhammads answer are mentioned by most scholars. Refer, for instance, to al-Sahih al-Musnad Min Asbab Nuzul al-Ayat (stories related to the verses of Quran, p. 11) and al-Kash-shaf by the Imam al-Kamakhshari (part 2, pp. 518, 519). He reiterates the same story and the same words of Muhammad. Thus, the incident is in vogue among all Muslim scholars, and the story and the dialogue between Muhammad and the Jews is well-known.
We have mentioned what the Baydawi, Jalalan, Zamakhshari, Suyuti, and ibn Abbas have said. We do not know (among the ancient scholars) any who are more famous than these. Concerning lighting, Muhammad affirms that it is an angel like the thunder and like Gabriel and Michael. On page 230 of the above references, Suyuti alludes to it. Also on page 68 of part 4 of the "Itqan", the Suyuti records for us the names of the angels, which are: "Gabriel, Michael, Harut, Marut, the Thunder and the Lightning (He said) that the lightning has four faces."
The Suyuti listed all these under the sub-title, "The names of Gods Angels". He also indicated that Muhammad said that the lightning is the tail end of an angel whose name is Rafael (refer to part 4, p. 230 of the Itqan).
Oh come now Horseonwheels you as a master debater cannot possibly hope to ever convince anyone that Islam and its followers could ever stand against me and hope to win. Why dont you try and defend the Koran and the silly claims of Muhammad or of Christianity. Clearly you dare not and just sit in your corner spewking out sarcastic abuse rather than participating in a religious debate.
Come now Horseonwheels admit it you are all powerless now say after me Starjade is the Lord King of the Apocalyptic castle.
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