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Disturbing Info On Ron Paul
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05-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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Disturbing Info On Ron Paul
Quote:Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy. Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot. &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 06:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2007 06:59 PM by harflimon.)
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Quote:Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot. It shouldn't matter what they care about in the closet, it should only matter what they do legislatively because that's what you are voting for. So if you support anti-homosexual legislation than why would you care if the guy doing it was a closet homosexual? Edit: Unless you vote for morals... which is stupid IMO The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science. &I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. & -triplesix |
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05-05-2007, 07:03 PM
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Quote:No. God that is such a lame analogy, too abstract for a discussion like Katrina. The fact is thousands of people had their homes destroyed because of a half-lassed levee that wasn't their fault. How are they supposed to be "self-reliant" when they are drowning in a swamp through no fault of their own? You're telling me you just expect these people to live off handouts? Charity is nice, but when my house is completely gone and the insurance company decides to scam me by not paying me the real value of what I lost, what the fuck am I gonna do? Fact is government is necessary in such a situation. Without it you are just relying on the "goodwill" of individuals, which is not enough in a national emergency. Thousands of people could have been saved if the government just got off its ass and helped those people by evacuating them and providing for BASIC needs and medical care. &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 07:06 PM
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Quote:Quote:Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot. I cannot vote for a racist to public office whatsover, It's against my good morals. If he's a closet racist who publicy decries racism that jsut makes him a racist hypocrite. I have more respect for David Duke than aperson like that, at least they are upfront about their racist views. Not saying this is definitive, but I'm sorry that's just a very lame argument on your part. &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 07:21 PM
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Let me start out with this: You are a dumbass.
There are evacuation routes, and its suppose to be the LOCAL government that controls such things. The point is that the FEDERAL government should not be responsible for some levees in New Orleans and it is the LOCALS fault that the levees broke because THEY should of funded for them to be better supported through their LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THEY also should of funded for their LOCAL government to maintain a better evacuation route. My argument isn't lame you are just too much of an asshole to realize it isn't my responsibility to make sure everyone living on the coast doesn't get flooded, just like it isn't their responsibility to make sure I don't die in a tornado or flash flood. But since their local government failed I wouldn't disagree with helping them out through charity and humanitarian. If you think the federal government did a better job than just normal citizens you are the blind retard not me. I would rather rely on charity than federal government any day. The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science. &I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. & -triplesix |
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05-05-2007, 07:28 PM
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Quote:Quote:Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy. Yes I am sure, because I am anti-racist and did a search a long time ago before supporting Ron Paul to see if he was racist because I saw an article from him posted at American Free Press, (Paul's article on there wasn't racist, I was just curious because AFP is a site that has racist leanings even though they also have a lot of good information.) And I found a page through google about that very article you posted quotes from and the story behind it, and it wasn't shown to Ron Paul before it was printed. Also the article I quoted that actual comment from him denouncing racism from was from something he wrote opposing the restrictive so-called "hate" bill, the full quote was something like "hate crimes legislation try to make government solve a problem of the heart" or something.
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05-05-2007, 08:12 PM
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Quote:Let me start out with this: You are a dumbass. Let's see about that.. Quote:There are evacuation routes, and its suppose to be the LOCAL government that controls such things. Correct, and they were criticized with justification Quote:The point is that the FEDERAL government should not be responsible for some levees in New Orleans and it is the LOCALS fault that the levees broke because THEY should of funded for them to be better supported through their LOCAL GOVERNMENT. No you dumbfuck, the entire reason Katrina happened is because the levees built by the Army Corps of Engineers (which is funded by the FEDS) were not made to sustain a Category 4 hurricane which everyone knew was inevitable, including the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS and the LOCAL government, both of whom lobbied the FED years in advance for better funding to upgrade the levees to sustain a level 4, but they were denied precisely because of the moronic laissez-faire policies people like you are advocating. Quote:THEY also should of funded for their LOCAL government to maintain a better evacuation route. The problem wasnt lack of better evacuation routes, it was shitty levees built by the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. There were many other stupid mistakes along the way but the root of the problem is the one I just mentioned. Quote:My argument isn't lame you are just too much of an asshole to realize it isn't my responsibility to make sure everyone living on the coast doesn't get flooded, just like it isn't their responsibility to make sure I don't die in a tornado or flash flood. Youre right, its not your responsibility, thats why no one is asking you to personally assist in helping drowning victims. Duh. I think you mean its not your responsibility to pay taxes. Well, actually it is, see its called the social contract. Just by the mere fact that you live ehre, you are benefiting from certain services, and defense, and infrastructure, police, courts, emergency care, etc. etc. Quote:But since their local government failed I wouldn't disagree with helping them out through charity and humanitarian.Local government was not responsible for denying the Army Corps of Engineers the proper funding required for upgrading the levees. Quote:If you think the federal government did a better job than just normal citizens you are the blind retard not me. I would rather rely on charity than federal government any day. I didnt say the federal government did good job idiot, everyone knows they failed because of corruption and incompetence, that doesnt mean NO government is the solution. Charity wont prevent the next hurricane from turning your home into a toxic wasteland filled with floating cadavers. &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
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Quote:Quote:Quote:Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy. You may be right, I think I remember Alex Jones mentiong the "newsletter" on his show and calling it out as a fake. &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
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Quote:Charity wont prevent the next hurricane from turning your home into a toxic wasteland filled with floating cadavers. But some how, giving money and extra authority to the federal government will? :laugh: The government interfered with the natural humanitarian responses of the general public, and even evil bastard coorporations like Walmart (who i hate). You want to defend that federal authority, and its percieved need to exist, based on what exactly? Because people just cannot take care of themselves? Human beings are capable or tremendous self-organization, humanitarian or otherwise, and in every case, centralized authorities do nothing but fuck that process up. Wyrd bi∂ ful aræd : Vituð ér enn eða hvat? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 08:57 PM
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Quote:But some how, giving money and extra authority to the federal government will? If the billions spent on war and tax cuts for the wealthy were instead used for improving infrastructure you wouldnt have had the Katrina disaster. The levees werent upgraded precisely because of all the cuts made to fund the war in Iraq. Quote:The government interfered with the natural humanitarian responses of the general public, and even evil bastard coorporations like Walmart (who i hate). Charity alone would have never saved all those people. Just look at all the big trucks and helicopters and shit they had to send in. Dont be delusional, you cant rely on charity alone, not when there is a major crisis requiring massive coordinative effort. Quote:You want to defend that federal authority, and its percieved need to exist, based on what exactly? Im not defending federal authority per se, Im just saying we need government of some kind, however limited. Government is not an absolute good or evil, regulation is not an absolute good or evil. Quote:Because people just cannot take care of themselves? Sure they can, just not when they are stuck alone on rooftops without food or water. Quote:Human beings are capable or tremendous self-organization, humanitarian or otherwise, and in every case, centralized authorities do nothing but fuck that process up. Yea right, central planning never works, thats why all businesses are run internally like egalitarian democracies with no centralized leadership.:rolleyes: &The flesh is weak, Johnny. Only the soul is immortal. And yours belongs to me& Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 09:06 PM
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Whatever, You know what I just really don't care. Sounds to me like Ron Paul isn't a racist and is just more honest about the truth of the situation from what he has seen has happened to the black culture. He probably doesn't hate or think down on anything of black people genetically he just has probably came under the influence to a degree of the common opinions of his upbringing and from what he's seen of what social level black people live in his area. The poverty culture.
He really shouldn't be making public statements about that with clarrifying more and shouldn't really be using figures like 95%, thats obviously a personal exagerrated opinion bleeding into a speech. Alot of regions in the United States I'm sure that just due to poverty some of these stereo types would appear true from living there - however that doesn't make it right to make public statements about them as being some sort of fact. You know something I've found interesting is how up here in Canada it is very multiculural and everybody has always been kind of amazed at the level of racism against black people in the United States. People don't understand it and think its terrible because up here in Canada, our black minority is NOT a poverty stricken under-educated, crime ridden class of people. They share the same spread of the pie as all the rest of us. So gee its just so terrible. But we have the same problem with the Natives, as black people have in the United States. A HIGH HIGH HIGH MAJORITY of Natives here in Canada are poor, come from terrible families, drug and alcohol addicts, un-educated, nasty towards white people and alot of them end up becoming criminals. So, the same people who cry about how terrible Black Racism is in the United States..Are up here sighing and swearing about how they are so fucking sick of indians fucking asking you for change all the time, threatening you. They are the butt of every 2nd joke it seems like in a cynicle way, people say they hate it, hate them...Like seriously, most people up here in Canada it seems really can't stand what the Native culture has become, including myself. I dont hate Native people as a race, but I sure as fuck hate what most of them have become because its terrible man. And I think that speaks for most decent people (including decent native people who will tell you the exact same thing) Ron Paul to me sounds like he's not a racist, he's just talking about the poverty culture that overwhelms the black community. It can be any race...we all know there's alot of disgusting white fucking trash. Just go to Wal-Mart. Fuck I Hate most people in wal mart. Do you really think your a higher form of life? You...With your dripping jaws, and your bloodshot eyes. You...With your varicosities and your vermin for an appendix. You...with your hemroids and assterioids. Often I wake up at night and ponder these matters. And then I feel very strongly that I should talk them over with Brother Theodore...and then, and then I wake up fully and remember that I am Brother Theodore. And my heart aches. And my tears flow. And I see my Aunt Marie floating in the chicken soup...more dead than alive...more naked than not. And oh, now I see a mailman, a mailman giving birth to a dog of all things! Never a moments peace, never a moments peace...never a moments peace. |
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05-05-2007, 09:10 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2007 09:11 PM by deathstickboy.)
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Quote:Yea right, central planning never works, thats why all businesses are run internally like egalitarian democracies with no centralized leadership. The very idea that government should be run like a business, is what leads to the mockery of a system we have now. Haven't you been paying attention? That very authoritarian "business model" ideal lead to/allowed for the Iraq war in the first place, so we are back to square one, which is centralized authority fucking up and fucking with the ability of locals to deal with their own problems, by imposing its authoirty and limiting what the local government can do, in the "top down" business model fashion of how government operates today. Quote:Dont be delusional, you cant rely on charity alone, not when there is a major crisis requiring massive coordinative effort. The idea that massive coordinated effort must be dictated and controlled by central authority, is what lead to the disaster that was the aftermath of hurrican katrina. Every aspect of it, from the gun confiscations, to the splitting up of evacuated famillies. Wyrd bi∂ ful aræd : Vituð ér enn eða hvat? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ![]() ![]()
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05-05-2007, 09:10 PM
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I am going to be bold here and say that I dont care for two reasons. First and most blatantly, even if he were a "racist" he is still worlds better than any other candidate. What are you going to do, vote for Hillary instead? And second, lets take the quotes off of "racist." In this country a person can not make a negative statement about any portion of the black community with out being called a racist. Supposing that he actually said these things doesnt bother me. I wouldnt sign off on labeling one a racist until I saw or heard he or she saying something along the lines of "i hate blacks" or "niggers are dumb."
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05-05-2007, 09:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-05-2007 09:35 PM by FighterFromAfar.)
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You know what? Screw it. I have not seen one indication that Ron Paul is a racist. What's more, it's quite obvious that the Mainstream Media doesn't like him. That's enough to earn him respect in my book. For all I know, what he was saying about blacks is the hard truth. Of course, him being a white man, he's not allowed to say such things.
From Leo/FightNWO-Resisting World Government Quote:----------------- Bulletin Message ----------------- And comments like these are incredibly disingenous, putting words in Ron Paul's mouth. Quote:"These comments are outrageous," said Sklar spokeswoman Austin Bonner. "All children deserve our faith in them and opportunities to learn. It is incredibly damaging that their Congressmana supposed role modeltells them they are good for nothing but crime from the get-go." He never fucking said that black children are "good for nothing but crime from the get-go". This is purely about politics and race-bating. |
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05-05-2007, 10:00 PM
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The fact that the levees were underfunded by the feds is exactly why it should be left to the local government to build these things. There wasn't a laissez-faire policy; there was a bueracractic clusterfuck of corruption. You said it yourself, the federal government is too busy giving itself kick backs whether through war or other means that only serve to help themselves and their friends. So why the fuck do you want these people to help you in a disaster? They will only give more money to their cronies, which is exactly what happened in the Katrina relief. Who got most the money? Halliburton and IEM
Look for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLA0L2ZNRi4 I suggest watching the whole documentary by Palast before talking out your ass. Here it is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...palast+big+easy The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science. &I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. & -triplesix |
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