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Disturbing Info On Ron Paul
05-05-2007, 06:52 PM
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Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy.

Quote:VICTORIA, TX -- Gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman's racially charged statements, and the subsequent outcry against them, have drawn attention to the importance Texans place on diversity and inclusiveness. Ron Paul, however, apparently does not feel the same way.

During his 30-year career in politics, Paul has made a number of offensive, racist statements in the press and in his personal newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report, including:

* "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Given the inefficiencies of what the DC laughably calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or criminal." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Opinion polls consistently show that only five percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

Sentiments like these are probably why radical "white nationalist" David Duke, Grand Wizard and founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, has chosen to currently feature Ron Paul prominently on the front page of http://www.DavidDuke.com, his personal homepage. Like Paul, David Duke is a failed 1988 presidential candidate.

"These comments are outrageous," said Sklar spokeswoman Austin Bonner. "All children deserve our faith in them and opportunities to learn. It is incredibly damaging that their Congressman–a supposed role model–tells them they are good for nothing but crime from the get-go."

Source: http://www.shanesklar.com/news_DETAILS.php?news_ID=49



What do you guys think? He sounds a bit racist to me. Don't get me wrong, he is still the best candidate on the Republican side, but I can't say I'm too pleased if these words are truly his.

All of these quotes are from the same article in his newsletter that Ron Paul not only didn't write, but didn't see until after it was published which is probably why is was printed. He didn't look at it before it was published. Look up Paul's article on hate crimes bills, or maybe I'll post it if I can find it. In it he describes racism as "a problem of the heart."

Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot.

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05-05-2007, 06:58 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2007 06:59 PM by harflimon.)
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Quote:Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot.

It shouldn't matter what they care about in the closet, it should only matter what they do legislatively because that's what you are voting for. So if you support anti-homosexual legislation than why would you care if the guy doing it was a closet homosexual?

Edit: Unless you vote for morals... which is stupid IMO

The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

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05-05-2007, 07:03 PM
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Quote:No.

They should of just encouraged people to help out and not forced them to. I was reading that blog you posted in the AJ alternative thread. Here's a decent metaphor he had


Quote:Saturday, February 17, 2007
Locked in the Trunk of a Car: A Political Solution to Shopping

Now that my wife has started taking political science courses, things are getting really confusing at my house. Just this morning there was a knock at our front door. Opening it, I saw an enormous man, who asked for my wife.

“Actually, I think she’s just heading out to go shopping,” I said, my eyes narrowing just a little.

“Yeah,” he drawled, a toothpick working back and forth across his lips like a little oar. “I know. That’s what I’m here for.”

I stared at him, then shrugged. A personal shopper? Professional bag-toter? Foot-masseuse? Who knew?

I heard my wife coming downstairs. “Ah!” she exclaimed. “Excellent, I’m just ready!”

“All right,” growled the man. He pulled out a large burlap sack from under his coat. “Lean forward,” he said to my wife, lifting the sack over her head.

I made a motion to grab his arm, then decided to use words instead. “What are you doing?” I demanded – not weakly, I hoped.

My wife held up her hand, smiling at the man. “It’s okay,” she said. “I’m afraid my husband is a libertarian.”

The big man rolled his eyes, then sighed and crossed his arms, leaning up against the door frame.

“You see, honey,” my wife smiled, “I really want to go shopping…”

“So this… man gets to put you in a sack?”

“Of course! That’s how it works. I didn’t really understand it until I started taking political science, but it’s so radiantly clear now!”

“What is?”

“Well, before, when I wanted to go shopping, I wasn’t very efficient. I just grabbed my purse and my car keys, went to the mall, and just – shopped. I mean, how crazy was that? Now, I finally understand how it’s supposed to be done. So when I want to shop, I call this fine gentleman, who takes my credit card, puts me in a sack, puts the sack in the trunk of my car, then drives me to the mall and does my shopping for me – and buys quite a bit for himself as well! Now isn’t that so much better?” Her eyes shone.

“Seriously, honey – I have no idea how that even makes sense, let alone could be ‘better’!”

“Honey,” she said soothingly, “this is how it is supposed to be done. If I want to do something, I call a man up who forces me to do it! What could be better? It’s perfect!”

“Do you get to keep your car?”

My wife looked inquiringly at the large man, sunning himself in our doorway. He shrugged. “Dunno. I guess I could use it for a day or two. I’ll give you a call when I’m done with it, and you can come and pick it up. Okay?”

“No, it’s not okay!” I fume. “If my wife wants to go shopping, she doesn’t need you to force her to go shopping, and buy things for yourself besides!”

“Sweetie,” my wife said soothingly. “It’s exactly how things are supposed to work.” She tapped her fingernails against her front teeth. “It’s exactly how we help the poor with welfare programs, right?”

“What?”

“Well, we as voters want to help the poor, right? So we vote politicians in who force us to help the poor. They take our money, spend it on the poor as they see fit, and buy a lot of things for themselves as well! And if that way of doing things is good enough for something as important as helping the poor, surely it is good enough for something as inconsequential as my shopping expeditions! Am I right, or am I right?”

“But – if we want to help the poor so badly that we vote politicians in who force us to help the poor, then what do we need the politicians for in the first place? Why don’t we just help the poor ourselves?”

“Ah,” she said with a triumphant grin, “that’s because we are too selfish to help the poor ourselves!”

“But if we’re too selfish to help the poor ourselves, then surely we would never vote politicians in who would force us to help the poor! And if we don’t want to help the poor, then the government will never do it for us, because we’d never vote in a politician who promised that! So if the majority of people want to help the poor, then they don’t need to vote politicians in to force them to help the poor, right?”

For a moment, she seemed confused. “Well…”

“I mean, look what’s happening here! In the past, if you wanted to go shopping, you just went to the mall and bought whatever you wanted! Now, look at all this extra overhead and complication – this guy has to come and put you in a sack, and drive you to the mall in the trunk of your car, and then shop for what he thinks you might want, and buy stuff for himself as well. How is that more efficient – or in any way better – than what happened before?”

She frowned. “No, that’s…”

“If we get all these politicians to force us to give them money to help the poor, what happens if they spend money in ways that don’t help the poor? What if they decide to spend more money on themselves than on the poor? Can we get our money back? You see, if we want to help the poor – or the sick, or the old, or whoever – then we’ll just do it, and we don’t need the government to force us to do it. If the government reflects the will of the people, then it doesn’t need to force those people to do things. If the government does not reflect the will of the people, then it is mere tyranny. Do you see what I mean?”

“Yes, but…” My wife scowled, trying to reason her way out of the fog of statism.

“I mean, who told you all this stuff?”

The big man leaned forward. “I did,” he growled.

“Yes,” said my wife distractedly. “Sorry I didn’t introduce you. This is my professor of political science.”

He stretched out his enormous hand. I stared at it.

“Hey,” said the professor, dropping his hand suddenly. “I haven’t got all day. What say we put this to a vote? I mean,” he added, leaning over my wife, “I assume I can count on you to do the right thing, and show me that you understand the course material.”

She nodded slowly, staring up at him. I guess she really wants to pass his course.

The professor raised his hand – the one with the sack. “Then I vote: let’s go shopping!” he grinned. “I need some stuff!”

My wife tightened her lips. “It’s the right thing to do,” she said, raising her hand and averting her eyes.

In a blink she disappeared into the sack. I was about to cry out in opposition to this violation of sense, property, morality and rationality, but of course I am in the minority, so what’s the point?

Posted by Stefan Molyneux, MA at 2/17/2007 04:16:00 PM

I think if you really look into the incident you will find that normal people helped (or tried to at least before FEMA stepped in) a lot more than the federal government. Many of the victims ended up going to stay in homes from Texas to Michigan to California so they could get back on their feet. The outpouring of donations of not only money, but food and other essentials eclipsed anything the government was trying to do.

The government just took people's guns and tried to regulate everything.

Edit: BUT they didn't evacuate. My question wasn't stupid. The government is not there to protect us. Ask the police, they have no obligation to protect you. All the government tried to do was after the fact bullshit.


God that is such a lame analogy, too abstract for a discussion like Katrina. The fact is thousands of people had their homes destroyed because of a half-lassed levee that wasn't their fault. How are they supposed to be "self-reliant" when they are drowning in a swamp through no fault of their own? You're telling me you just expect these people to live off handouts? Charity is nice, but when my house is completely gone and the insurance company decides to scam me by not paying me the real value of what I lost, what the fuck am I gonna do? Fact is government is necessary in such a situation. Without it you are just relying on the "goodwill" of individuals, which is not enough in a national emergency. Thousands of people could have been saved if the government just got off its ass and helped those people by evacuating them and providing for BASIC needs and medical care.

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05-05-2007, 07:06 PM
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Quote:Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot.

It shouldn't matter what they care about in the closet, it should only matter what they do legislatively because that's what you are voting for. So if you support anti-homosexual legislation than why would you care if the guy doing it was a closet homosexual?

Edit: Unless you vote for morals... which is stupid IMO

I cannot vote for a racist to public office whatsover, It's against my good morals. If he's a closet racist who publicy decries racism that jsut makes him a racist hypocrite. I have more respect for David Duke than aperson like that, at least they are upfront about their racist views. Not saying this is definitive, but I'm sorry that's just a very lame argument on your part.

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05-05-2007, 07:21 PM
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Let me start out with this: You are a dumbass.

There are evacuation routes, and its suppose to be the LOCAL government that controls such things. The point is that the FEDERAL government should not be responsible for some levees in New Orleans and it is the LOCALS fault that the levees broke because THEY should of funded for them to be better supported through their LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THEY also should of funded for their LOCAL government to maintain a better evacuation route.

My argument isn't lame you are just too much of an asshole to realize it isn't my responsibility to make sure everyone living on the coast doesn't get flooded, just like it isn't their responsibility to make sure I don't die in a tornado or flash flood.

But since their local government failed I wouldn't disagree with helping them out through charity and humanitarian.

If you think the federal government did a better job than just normal citizens you are the blind retard not me. I would rather rely on charity than federal government any day.

The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

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05-05-2007, 07:28 PM
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Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy.

Quote:VICTORIA, TX -- Gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman's racially charged statements, and the subsequent outcry against them, have drawn attention to the importance Texans place on diversity and inclusiveness. Ron Paul, however, apparently does not feel the same way.

During his 30-year career in politics, Paul has made a number of offensive, racist statements in the press and in his personal newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report, including:

* "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Given the inefficiencies of what the DC laughably calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or criminal." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Opinion polls consistently show that only five percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

Sentiments like these are probably why radical "white nationalist" David Duke, Grand Wizard and founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, has chosen to currently feature Ron Paul prominently on the front page of http://www.DavidDuke.com, his personal homepage. Like Paul, David Duke is a failed 1988 presidential candidate.

"These comments are outrageous," said Sklar spokeswoman Austin Bonner. "All children deserve our faith in them and opportunities to learn. It is incredibly damaging that their Congressman–a supposed role model–tells them they are good for nothing but crime from the get-go."

Source: http://www.shanesklar.com/news_DETAILS.php?news_ID=49



What do you guys think? He sounds a bit racist to me. Don't get me wrong, he is still the best candidate on the Republican side, but I can't say I'm too pleased if these words are truly his.

All of these quotes are from the same article in his newsletter that Ron Paul not only didn't write, but didn't see until after it was published which is probably why is was printed. He didn't look at it before it was published. Look up Paul's article on hate crimes bills, or maybe I'll post it if I can find it. In it he describes racism as "a problem of the heart."

Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot.

Yes I am sure, because I am anti-racist and did a search a long time ago before supporting Ron Paul to see if he was racist because I saw an article from him posted at American Free Press, (Paul's article on there wasn't racist, I was just curious because AFP is a site that has racist leanings even though they also have a lot of good information.) And I found a page through google about that very article you posted quotes from and the story behind it, and it wasn't shown to Ron Paul before it was printed. Also the article I quoted that actual comment from him denouncing racism from was from something he wrote opposing the restrictive so-called "hate" bill, the full quote was something like "hate crimes legislation try to make government solve a problem of the heart" or something.

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05-05-2007, 08:12 PM
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Quote:Let me start out with this: You are a dumbass.

Let's see about that..

Quote:There are evacuation routes, and its suppose to be the LOCAL government that controls such things.

Correct, and they were criticized with justification…

Quote:The point is that the FEDERAL government should not be responsible for some levees in New Orleans and it is the LOCALS fault that the levees broke because THEY should of funded for them to be better supported through their LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

No you dumbfuck, the entire reason Katrina happened is because the levees built by the Army Corps of Engineers (which is funded by the FEDS) were not made to sustain a Category 4 hurricane… which everyone knew was inevitable, including the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS and the LOCAL government, both of whom lobbied the FED years in advance for better funding to upgrade the levees to sustain a level 4, but they were denied precisely because of the moronic laissez-faire policies people like you are advocating.

Quote:THEY also should of funded for their LOCAL government to maintain a better evacuation route.

The problem wasn’t lack of better evacuation routes, it was shitty levees built by the ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. There were many other stupid mistakes along the way but the root of the problem is the one I just mentioned.

Quote:My argument isn't lame you are just too much of an asshole to realize it isn't my responsibility to make sure everyone living on the coast doesn't get flooded, just like it isn't their responsibility to make sure I don't die in a tornado or flash flood.

You’re right, it’s not your responsibility, that’s why no one is asking you to personally assist in helping drowning victims. Duh.

I think you mean it’s not your responsibility to pay taxes. Well, actually it is, see it’s called the social contract. Just by the mere fact that you live ehre, you are benefiting from certain services, and defense, and infrastructure, police, courts, emergency care, etc. etc.

Quote:But since their local government failed I wouldn't disagree with helping them out through charity and humanitarian.
Local government was not responsible for denying the Army Corps of Engineers the proper funding required for upgrading the levees.

Quote:If you think the federal government did a better job than just normal citizens you are the blind retard not me. I would rather rely on charity than federal government any day.

I didn’t say the federal government did good job idiot, everyone knows they failed because of corruption and incompetence, that doesn’t mean NO government is the solution.

Charity won’t prevent the next hurricane from turning your home into a toxic wasteland filled with floating cadavers.

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05-05-2007, 08:15 PM
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Quote:Don't shoot the messanger, I came across this information inadvertently while searching the blogs for commentary on the debate. If the source is legit, this is quite unfortunate, because Paul seemed like such a nice guy.

Quote:VICTORIA, TX -- Gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman's racially charged statements, and the subsequent outcry against them, have drawn attention to the importance Texans place on diversity and inclusiveness. Ron Paul, however, apparently does not feel the same way.

During his 30-year career in politics, Paul has made a number of offensive, racist statements in the press and in his personal newsletter, The Ron Paul Political Report, including:

* "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Given the inefficiencies of what the DC laughably calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or criminal." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

* "Opinion polls consistently show that only five percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action." – Victoria Advocate, 5/24/96

Sentiments like these are probably why radical "white nationalist" David Duke, Grand Wizard and founder of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, has chosen to currently feature Ron Paul prominently on the front page of http://www.DavidDuke.com, his personal homepage. Like Paul, David Duke is a failed 1988 presidential candidate.

"These comments are outrageous," said Sklar spokeswoman Austin Bonner. "All children deserve our faith in them and opportunities to learn. It is incredibly damaging that their Congressman–a supposed role model–tells them they are good for nothing but crime from the get-go."

Source: http://www.shanesklar.com/news_DETAILS.php?news_ID=49



What do you guys think? He sounds a bit racist to me. Don't get me wrong, he is still the best candidate on the Republican side, but I can't say I'm too pleased if these words are truly his.

All of these quotes are from the same article in his newsletter that Ron Paul not only didn't write, but didn't see until after it was published which is probably why is was printed. He didn't look at it before it was published. Look up Paul's article on hate crimes bills, or maybe I'll post it if I can find it. In it he describes racism as "a problem of the heart."

Are you sure? What are your sources? I don't care about the hate crimes bills, that's not relevant here. Someone can write wonderful speeches about how bad racism is, or support progressive legislation, yet still be a closet bigot.

Yes I am sure, because I am anti-racist and did a search a long time ago before supporting Ron Paul to see if he was racist because I saw an article from him posted at American Free Press, (Paul's article on there wasn't racist, I was just curious because AFP is a site that has racist leanings even though they also have a lot of good information.) And I found a page through google about that very article you posted quotes from and the story behind it, and it wasn't shown to Ron Paul before it was printed. Also the article I quoted that actual comment from him denouncing racism from was from something he wrote opposing the restrictive so-called "hate" bill, the full quote was something like "hate crimes legislation try to make government solve a problem of the heart" or something.


You may be right, I think I remember Alex Jones mentiong the "newsletter" on his show and calling it out as a fake.

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05-05-2007, 08:26 PM
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Quote:Charity won’t prevent the next hurricane from turning your home into a toxic wasteland filled with floating cadavers.

But some how, giving money and extra authority to the federal government will?
:laugh:

The government interfered with the natural humanitarian responses of the general public, and even evil bastard coorporations like Walmart (who i hate).

You want to defend that federal authority, and its percieved need to exist, based on what exactly?

Because people just cannot take care of themselves?

Human beings are capable or tremendous self-organization, humanitarian or otherwise, and in every case, centralized authorities do nothing but fuck that process up.

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05-05-2007, 08:57 PM
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Quote:But some how, giving money and extra authority to the federal government will?

If the billions spent on war and tax cuts for the wealthy were instead used for improving infrastructure you wouldn’t have had the Katrina disaster. The levees weren’t upgraded precisely because of all the cuts made to fund the war in Iraq.

Quote:The government interfered with the natural humanitarian responses of the general public, and even evil bastard coorporations like Walmart (who i hate).

Charity alone would have never saved all those people. Just look at all the big trucks and helicopters and shit they had to send in. Don’t be delusional, you can’t rely on charity alone, not when there is a major crisis requiring massive coordinative effort.

Quote:You want to defend that federal authority, and its percieved need to exist, based on what exactly?

I’m not defending federal authority per se, I’m just saying we need government of some kind, however limited. Government is not an absolute good or evil, regulation is not an absolute good or evil.

Quote:Because people just cannot take care of themselves?

Sure they can, just not when they are stuck alone on rooftops without food or water.

Quote:Human beings are capable or tremendous self-organization, humanitarian or otherwise, and in every case, centralized authorities do nothing but fuck that process up.

Yea right, central planning never works, that’s why all businesses are run internally like egalitarian democracies with no centralized leadership.:rolleyes:

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05-05-2007, 09:06 PM
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Whatever, You know what I just really don't care. Sounds to me like Ron Paul isn't a racist and is just more honest about the truth of the situation from what he has seen has happened to the black culture. He probably doesn't hate or think down on anything of black people genetically he just has probably came under the influence to a degree of the common opinions of his upbringing and from what he's seen of what social level black people live in his area. The poverty culture.

He really shouldn't be making public statements about that with clarrifying more and shouldn't really be using figures like 95%, thats obviously a personal exagerrated opinion bleeding into a speech.

Alot of regions in the United States I'm sure that just due to poverty some of these stereo types would appear true from living there - however that doesn't make it right to make public statements about them as being some sort of fact.

You know something I've found interesting is how up here in Canada it is very multiculural and everybody has always been kind of amazed at the level of racism against black people in the United States. People don't understand it and think its terrible because up here in Canada, our black minority is NOT a poverty stricken under-educated, crime ridden class of people. They share the same spread of the pie as all the rest of us.

So gee its just so terrible.

But we have the same problem with the Natives, as black people have in the United States. A HIGH HIGH HIGH MAJORITY of Natives here in Canada are poor, come from terrible families, drug and alcohol addicts, un-educated, nasty towards white people and alot of them end up becoming criminals.

So, the same people who cry about how terrible Black Racism is in the United States..Are up here sighing and swearing about how they are so fucking sick of indians fucking asking you for change all the time, threatening you. They are the butt of every 2nd joke it seems like in a cynicle way, people say they hate it, hate them...Like seriously, most people up here in Canada it seems really can't stand what the Native culture has become, including myself.

I dont hate Native people as a race, but I sure as fuck hate what most of them have become because its terrible man. And I think that speaks for most decent people (including decent native people who will tell you the exact same thing)

Ron Paul to me sounds like he's not a racist, he's just talking about the poverty culture that overwhelms the black community.

It can be any race...we all know there's alot of disgusting white fucking trash. Just go to Wal-Mart.

Fuck I Hate most people in wal mart.

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Quote:Yea right, central planning never works, that’s why all businesses are run internally like egalitarian democracies with no centralized leadership.

The very idea that government should be run like a business, is what leads to the mockery of a system we have now. Haven't you been paying attention?

That very authoritarian "business model" ideal lead to/allowed for the Iraq war in the first place, so we are back to square one, which is centralized authority fucking up and fucking with the ability of locals to deal with their own problems, by imposing its authoirty and limiting what the local government can do, in the "top down" business model fashion of how government operates today.

Quote:Don’t be delusional, you can’t rely on charity alone, not when there is a major crisis requiring massive coordinative effort.

The idea that massive coordinated effort must be dictated and controlled by central authority, is what lead to the disaster that was the aftermath of hurrican katrina.

Every aspect of it, from the gun confiscations, to the splitting up of evacuated famillies.

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05-05-2007, 09:10 PM
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I am going to be bold here and say that I dont care for two reasons. First and most blatantly, even if he were a "racist" he is still worlds better than any other candidate. What are you going to do, vote for Hillary instead? And second, lets take the quotes off of "racist." In this country a person can not make a negative statement about any portion of the black community with out being called a racist. Supposing that he actually said these things doesnt bother me. I wouldnt sign off on labeling one a racist until I saw or heard he or she saying something along the lines of "i hate blacks" or "niggers are dumb."
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05-05-2007, 09:32 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2007 09:35 PM by FighterFromAfar.)
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You know what? Screw it. I have not seen one indication that Ron Paul is a racist. What's more, it's quite obvious that the Mainstream Media doesn't like him. That's enough to earn him respect in my book. For all I know, what he was saying about blacks is the hard truth. Of course, him being a white man, he's not allowed to say such things.

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Quote:----------------- Bulletin Message -----------------
From: Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX)
Date: May 5, 2007 12:54 PM


Ron Paul: Victim of Media Corruption ???

On MSNBC's polls regarding Thursday's Republican Primary Debate held this passed Thursday, Republican Presidential Candidate Ron Paul placed first, garnering 37% of 78,000 total votes.

How does MSNBC respond? By declaring Mitt Romney as the winner, and Ron Paul as having placed 9th!!!

Ron Paul advocates, unite!

Write MSNBC here...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/

Tell them WHY you object to their deceptive journalism.

Also, let them how many friends YOU have, and how many people will receive your protest with just a click of a button!!!

Let them know that we are MORE powerful then they are!

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And comments like these are incredibly disingenous, putting words in Ron Paul's mouth.

Quote:"These comments are outrageous," said Sklar spokeswoman Austin Bonner. "All children deserve our faith in them and opportunities to learn. It is incredibly damaging that their Congressman–a supposed role model–tells them they are good for nothing but crime from the get-go."

He never fucking said that black children are "good for nothing but crime from the get-go". This is purely about politics and race-bating.
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05-05-2007, 10:00 PM
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The fact that the levees were underfunded by the feds is exactly why it should be left to the local government to build these things. There wasn't a laissez-faire policy; there was a bueracractic clusterfuck of corruption. You said it yourself, the federal government is too busy giving itself kick backs whether through war or other means that only serve to help themselves and their friends. So why the fuck do you want these people to help you in a disaster? They will only give more money to their cronies, which is exactly what happened in the Katrina relief. Who got most the money? Halliburton and IEM

Look for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLA0L2ZNRi4

I suggest watching the whole documentary by Palast before talking out your ass. Here it is:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...palast+big+easy

The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
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