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triplesix · 06-22-2007, 01:48 AM

Quote:Hey, wasn't through editing the post.

You simply seem to want to mock true Christianity and its very difficult to have any meaningful communication because of that.

True Christianity can only be derived from the true KJV Bible. Ok? That is the basis of the religion called Christianity, because it gets totally perverted from its intended message when taken out of context.

How can True Christianity only be derived from the Anglican translation of the original Masoretic Hebrew? It is illogical to hold a translation higher than an original. The New Testament as written in the King James Version was based off of Byzantine texts dating from 1200 AD or newer.

In addition to that, the King James Version was first assembled in 1611 but went through many revisions until 1769. Which addition of the KJV is the correct one? Unless it has the Apocrypha and textual footnotes, it may not be a KJV original. Even then, the KJV has mistakes, such as Deuteronomy 8:9:
"a land whose stones [are] iron, and thou mayest dig brass."
How the fuck does one dig up brass? This is an obvious mistranslation of the word copper.

I mean, it is all translated from an original text. I think they're all somewhat corrupted and I bet you there are newer ones that are truer translations from the original. Especially since the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls.

Of course you seem to be convinced this is a gnostic conspiracy to destroy the church. You seem to view all esoteric attempts to understand God in your own way as a take on Crowley's Thelema. You interpret criticism of the church as the prophesized attempt to destroy the church in the end of times. There is no convincing you that there is anything wrong with what you believe. We all know this. What I take issue with is the fact that you do not employ that same philosophy when criticizing what others believe. It is just as much an attack on my philosophy calling it gnostic satanism as it is when I say that the King James Version is not a credible version of the bible! I'm not a gnostic satanist and I'm not trying to destroy the church. And I don't think Ill Human Oddity is either. We're just taking a deeper look at the universe rather than choosing not to look at it at all and have faith that someone else has already done that for me as well as can be.

But, perhaps I've put enough words in both your mouths. But I'm just calling it like I see it, as always.

Peace.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2007 03:40 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Triplesix---(like you are not aware of this already:smirk:):

Because in case you haven't noticed there is a new Jesus in town:smirk:, reserved for those that retain their will, because they have no other way, i.e., that other seedline. (There is no oneness -- there will never be oneness on this planet.)

Now instead of just coming out with the fact that they follow Crowley, it behooves them to have a good long
gleeful smirk in the fact that they think they got over, because in case you haven't noticed it is a HUGE pleasure for them to do that, so twisting the truth is very important for them at this point in time,
because in case you haven't noticed its Satan's last hurrah here on the planet and he is having a grand olde time with his "boys", not just "boys" either. Usurping both polarities is simply a matter of Lucifer, oh that angel of light and freedom and Satan, the adversary. The Beautiful Side of Evil by Johanna Michaelsen pretty much sums it up, also she has a book called Satan's Underground.

If you were interested in the links I provided above, all that would be so clear to you what is really happening, but, again, just questions. Noone really wants the answers.

Didn't say what you wanted to hear, then just disregard it, but the Truth is only reserved for those with ears to hear it.

Two seedlines. Goats/Sheep Wheat/Tares.

Sheep and Wheat are not very popular now a days. The sheep and wheat are in all countries of the world and in all the religions. The sheep have a conscience. The goats do not have a conscience, but they are greedy and want to usurp both polarities. Freedom to a goat is to do whatever they damn well please and that includes murder, rape, atrocities of all kinds. They will derive much pleasure telling you about all the atrocities they have done and all they are planning. It is a most gleeful experience for them to have achieved that level of control, no doubt. Lies and truths mean nothing at all to them. And they are monsters behind a mask of phoniness. They are the damned, some are not very pleased about that, so they have created ways around that outcome for themselves. But damned they are nevertheless.

The psycho-narcisso-reptilians are planning for their big event; so be it...it was all written to be that way.

Everything is twisted now--Shiva is the Holy Spirit--remember??

Stems from this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesia_Gn..._Catholica

But I'm sure there is a new Pope, a new Jesus and a new Vatican to go with the Zeitgeist = the new aeon of Horus.

Welcome to the endtimes, just as the KJV said.

Peace--out.

mothandrust · 06-22-2007, 05:25 AM

The Bible is the Word of God.

This is a must every word, every comma, every typo, all must come from God. Would God have it otherwise? Of course not.

However, this is the most basic and limited perspective the one of course, used by authority (princes, popes, priests...), to validate and perpetuate their personal status and one that relies on ignorance and enslavement for its continuance. The world is full of ignorant slaves, sheep, desperate to chain themselves to the words of another, to avoid responsibility for their own lives that is why the notion of Jesus dying for our sins is so appealing, because it absolves responsibility even though it holds no logical validity.

The Bible is the word of God, that is accepted, but look deeper than the veil with which authority shrouds Truth and one must acknowledge; as God wished the Bible to be (any and every version), so s/he wished all other words and events to be also. So, just as surely as God wished the Romans to exterminate Gnosticism, s/he also wished Gnostic documents preserved. Just as surely as s/he wished debauched and degenerate popes to rule Europe and orchestrate genocide in the Americas, so s/he wished the syphilitic mass murderer Henry VIII to found the Anglican Church and for Islam to rise and the Buddha to be heard and... all of human history to unfold including the discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls (also the word of God). To suggest otherwise denies God's omnipotence, omniscience, even existence.

The Bible is the word of God but to ignore the motivation of the editors and contributors whilst deciphering its messages is ignorant, foolish, dangerous and wrong (it is no different to swallowing the words of Bush and Blair without ever questioning their motives). Further, just as God wished such editors, s/he also wished murderous, arrogant hypocrites to be installed as leaders, to drive the sheep in the direction of their choosing (most generally towards war) regardless of the fact that whatever prophet (or bible/scripture) one is reading they all insist we should judge not, turn the other cheek, remove the log from our own eye, forgive... we all know the rules, whether from Christ or Confucius, whether one's Christianity is Roman or Gnostic. Anything more is splitting hairs.

So, why, given such basic, simple, universal rules/truths - do we find such antagonism, such violence, such inequity? It is not from the populace, they are sheep, they bleat and eat and do as they're told, they cower and stampede depending upon message, and never think for themselves. It is authority that instigates violence, to strengthen, to frighten and there has never been authority which has not abused this power fact.

So why, given the omnipotence, omniscience of God are such monsters given power?

Is it to lead us? Really? Or to teach us a lesson?

change,

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2007 06:33 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:The Bible is the word of God, that is accepted, but look deeper than the veil with which authority shrouds Truth and one must acknowledge; as God wished the Bible to be (any and every version), so s/he wished all other words and events to be also. So, just as surely as God wished the Romans to exterminate Gnosticism, s/he also wished Gnostic documents preserved. Just as surely as s/he wished debauched and degenerate popes to rule Europe and orchestrate genocide in the Americas, so s/he wished the syphilitic mass murderer Henry VIII to found the Anglican Church and for Islam to rise and the Buddha to be heard and... all of human history to unfold including the discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls (also the word of God). To suggest otherwise denies God's omnipotence, omniscience, even existence.

Really, I am not saying this to be a spammer, but only because this man described it all in the most lucid comprehensive fashion in this video that I think addresses what you said above.

(AOD - Michael Heiser, Ph.D.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...h&plindex=0

Quote:So why, given the omnipotence, omniscience of God are such monsters given power?

Because they cannot hurt the only thing that matters, the only thing you will take out of this short life here on earth -- the soul.

Quote:Is it to lead us? Really? Or to teach us a lesson?

No, it is about trust. Once you have a thorough understanding of why things happened the way they did, all that is required is to trust in His Grace until the time of the Division, or an individuals death whichever comes first.

mothandrust · 06-22-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:
Quote:The Bible is the word of God, that is accepted, but look deeper than the veil with which authority shrouds Truth and one must acknowledge; as God wished the Bible to be (any and every version), so s/he wished all other words and events to be also. So, just as surely as God wished the Romans to exterminate Gnosticism, s/he also wished Gnostic documents preserved. Just as surely as s/he wished debauched and degenerate popes to rule Europe and orchestrate genocide in the Americas, so s/he wished the syphilitic mass murderer Henry VIII to found the Anglican Church and for Islam to rise and the Buddha to be heard and... all of human history to unfold including the discovery of the Nag Hammadi scrolls (also the word of God). To suggest otherwise denies God's omnipotence, omniscience, even existence.

Really, I am not saying this to be a spammer, but only because this man described it all in the most lucid comprehensive fashion in this video that I think addresses what you said above.

(AOD - Michael Heiser, Ph.D.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...h&plindex=0

my point is quite simple and it fits happily with Christianity and end-time theories, and it's made in a paragraph. how come your answer requires an hour and a half video? if i can find the time i will watch it (as i don't like to turn my back on potential sources of new information) but can you not explain in a paragraph (or two) at least as an overview - for those who find it difficult to spare an hour and a half?

Quote:
Quote:So why, given the omnipotence, omniscience of God are such monsters given power?

Because they cannot hurt the only thing that matters, the only thing you will take out of this short life here on earth -- the soul.

this does not answer my point at all, it is no more than the excuses popes and princes have offered through the ages for mass murder and despotism.

Quote:
Quote:Is it to lead us? Really? Or to teach us a lesson?

No, it is about trust. Once you have a thorough understanding of why things happened the way they did, all that is required is to trust in His Grace until the time of the Division, or an individuals death whichever comes first.

SE none of us can ever have a thorough understanding of why and the way things happened, their complexities are too great and obscured through history and its manipulation. Do not fool yourself.

this is just another excuse, for sheep. it offers nothing but "trust me" - that's nothing to do with understanding, just blind obedience and subservience to authority be it Bush or Blair or Benedict (it is the raw material for genocide) - nor does it offer any explanation for why all our prophets preach understanding, forgiveness, tolerance and self proclaimed authority demands violence and ignorance (aka faith).

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 06-22-2007, 05:47 PM

Moth&Rust: Then don't struggle against it, you just might not be a Christian.

Watch the vid to understand, CUZ I DON'T HAVE A FREAKIN PH.D. --- HE DOES!!!

There are plenty of religions that allow you all the freedom you could ever want to be any kind of god/goddess you want to be, but that is not Christianity.

***SiLVa*** · 06-22-2007, 06:00 PM

Quote:Hey, wasn't through editing the post.

You simply seem to want to mock true Christianity and its very difficult to have any meaningful communication because of that.

True Christianity can only be derived from the true KJV Bible. Ok? That is the basis of the religion called Christianity, because it gets totally perverted from its intended message when taken out of context.

Really want to understand Bible truths, look no further than here:

http://www.biblestudysite.com/realsin.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7...h&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6...h&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...h&plindex=1

And the reasons why this new version of Christianity is being put forth with all the money of "the world" behind it:

http://www.cumbey.blogspot.com/

That is the perspective I am coming from. Quite a bit different when taken in that context.

I believe the above links represent the truth about Christianity and the true message of Jesus Christ and reveal what forces are distorting that message and what their agenda is and why.

Serial...lets start over. I feel like you have so much distrust of me, without any real reason.
I know full well what the mainstream Christian ideology is- I grew up in it -understanding it- even teaching it at times to those that had questions I thought I could answer. I am fully aware of the misinformation as well. You posted links by Michael Heiser, whos opinions on the Nephilim and such I agree with, yet that is some of what im talking about here...the real story of the Nephilim and what that means today are never discussed in any Christian churches that I know of.
these thought Im posting are not to mock Christianity at all, but have Christians analyze the very words of our Messiah in relation to the rest of the Bible.
Who says that the whole Bible is the word of God? Certainly, Jesus said otherwise...
as far as I can tell, God sent Jesus to tell us the Word- according to that -why do we need to look elsewhere? This is a very simple question.

I do realize the nature of this forum and that their are plenty of non-believers and maybe "deceivers" here, this is not my intent. just a true discussion without putting the religious blinders on.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2007 06:22 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:Who says that the whole Bible is the word of God? Certainly, Jesus said otherwise...

There is nowhere in the KJV that Jesus said otherwise. That is the entire message of the Bible that it is the Word of God. The Word Made Flesh.

Now, ask yourself why in this time of political agendas to eliminate---I'm sure that means the believers along with their beliefs -- people of the book, i.e., Muslims-Christians-Jews -- all the monotheistic religions, would you trust material being put forth that directly contradicts the essential message of Jesus Christ the Savior of Mankind. Always, Mankind being the operative word.

The messages about the seedlines, and the Nephillim, and there being giants in the world before and AFTER
the flood were right before everyones eyes, yet you are correct is saying you do not hear this in the churches; however, it is right there in the KJV to see the meaning and without that meaning the tares/wheat, goats/sheep really doesn't have the same meaning or implications.

Maybe, the vast difference between the two seedlines was not to be known until the end times. When after the tares had gathered first, i.e., became organized and assumed total control, would their influence become so pernicious that the difference would become glaringly apparent.

Also, if it was revealed beforehand, it would have caused a massive witch hunt, civilization would have been impossible and the division time was ordained to occur at a time when there were the optimum souls on the planet -- souls for the Kingdom.

Dan 12:4 (KJV)
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

mothandrust · 06-22-2007, 06:52 PM

Quote:Moth&Rust: Then don't struggle against it, you just might not be a Christian.

i don't like labels - labels enslave, labels limit, labels distort.
what i know is that i find truth in (most) of the words attributed to Jesus - never said i was Christian

Quote:Watch the vid to understand, CUZ I DON'T HAVE A FREAKIN PH.D. --- HE DOES!!!

well either you understand it or you don't. Ph.D is another label - i know plenty of people with a Ph.D.many have no more common sense than the day they were born (nor any knowledge of subjects beyond their own).
i watched 20 mins of this vid, then clicked through the rest. it's a load of biblical quotes - lots of the usual Revelations/Deutoronomy stuff - from someone that has obviously studied the Bible hard but i can't find anything beyond biblical/self justification/validation, no critical analysis - like he's talked himself into something and now has too much invested to change direction. sounds like a few people round here :wink:

Quote:There are plenty of religions that allow you all the freedom you could ever want to be any kind of god/goddess you want to be, but that is not Christianity.

you mean your Christianity - that's fine, your Christianity can only ever be your Christianity - it's when your Christianity (or anyone else's) is being portrayed as a sole truth that i take exception.
if you cannot answer my points, fine - but please stop attempting to obscure or deflect - just acknowledge them, or if that's too difficult, keep quiet, please.

back on topic - Jesus vs Christianity - so how come Jesus advocates tolerance, forgiveness, understanding... yet his self-proclaimed knights and interpreters, our Christian leaders, advocate the opposite; violence, revenge, ignorance?

Change,

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-22-2007 11:18 PM by SerialExpLain.)

Ok, label or don't label yourself anything you want... no matter to me.

Quote:I don't like labels - labels enslave, labels limit, labels distort.

However, labels are a part of life and not everyone thinks the way you do. Labels can be very useful at times, and at other times not at all.

BUT, true Christianity is what The Word Made Flesh had in mind...so its a wee bit difficult to understand this sudden burst on the scene of "another" religion with texts markedly different than the KJV, with a very very different message stating it is Jesus-related...then moving rapidly to Jesus is like Horus, etc., etc.

Again, be whatever you want. But, perhaps the inclusion of this new Jesus with his new texts is definitely going to bring on debates.

Quote:well either you understand it or you don't. Ph.D is another label - i know plenty of people with a Ph.D.many have no more common sense than the day they were born (nor any knowledge of subjects beyond their own).
i watched 20 mins of this vid, then clicked through the rest. it's a load of biblical quotes - lots of the usual Revelations/Deutoronomy stuff - from someone that has obviously studied the Bible hard but i can't find anything beyond biblical/self justification/validation, no critical analysis - like he's talked himself into something and now has too much invested to change direction. sounds like a few people round here

I have respect for Ph.Ds. I certainly wish I had one, well actually would have rather had an M.D., but nevertheless, I think he is simply "da bomb" and speaks with authority that few possess.

Quote:so how come Jesus advocates tolerance, forgiveness, understanding... yet his self-proclaimed knights and interpreters, our Christian leaders, advocate the opposite; violence, revenge, ignorance?

Because they just might be "tares" be ignorant or have been too afraid to really deviate from mainstream church teachings for reasons of their affiliations. Also, it is being revealed that many megachurch pastors are masons, etc. (Regarding views on wars and global affairs).

The leaders use Christianity for a cover of their front personas. They have been mostly Skull and Bones, or Masons or who knows what other secret society influenced, and that certainly shows in their actions.
For all I know, it was just part of the agenda to bring down Christianity as they certainly have done the name no good at all.

***SiLVa*** · 06-23-2007, 12:14 AM

Quote:
Quote:Who says that the whole Bible is the word of God? Certainly, Jesus said otherwise...

There is nowhere in the KJV that Jesus said otherwise.

Ive already given those verses...

KJV John 5:38 <span style="color:#CC0000">And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41 I receive not honour from men.
42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

NIV Translation- a bit easier to understand...
<span style="color:#CC0000">38 nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent.
39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
41 "I do not accept praise from men, 42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.

You see, he says here that we need only come to HIM. He says the phrase MY WORDS throughout the gosples for a reason.

Plus Im sure you are aware of the verses in which Jesus condemns the "scribes"- who do you think those men were? they were the so called rabbis- the religious teachers, writers and such.

Quote:That is the entire message of the Bible that it is the Word of God. The Word Made Flesh.

Jesus was God's Word made Flesh- not the Bible. The Bible had books removed from it and all that- you should know this -you speaking of the nephilim- what of the books of Enoch?

Quote:why...would you trust material being put forth that directly contradicts the essential message of Jesus Christ the Savior of Mankind. Always, Mankind being the operative word.

what do you mean? what material? I think parts of the Bible itself contradict the message of Jesus- specifically Pauls words...but not just Paul.

Quote:The messages about the seedlines, and the Nephillim, and there being giants in the world before and AFTER
the flood were right before everyones eyes, yet you are correct is saying you do not hear this in the churches

Right and why is that? And you say that verse has no other implications but what if you think about the ministry of God explained that way -the sciptures. tares/wheat = Jesus/Paul...let me explain more in depth...
Looking at the verse in context he's talking about the Word-the Ministry of Jesus
NIV Matt.13
<span style="color:#CC0000">22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it...
24 Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field.
25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 "The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'

28 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
"The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'

29 " 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

This parable could also be considered prophetic in a way, that comprehends not only Paul but every false apostle who sows bad seed in the world. He allows both to grow together lest, in uprooting the weeds, he uproot the wheat also. Jesus knew Paul would come with his weeds. He did everything he could to forewarn us so that we be not deceived, by uttering such words as these:
NIV Mark 13:22 <span style="color:#CC0000">For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the electif that were possible. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

Paul was never needed -- Jesus foretold everything. According to Jesus, signs and wonders are the marks of a false prophet. It is almost amusing to perceive how Paul walked boldly into this bright light without intending to do so, thus exposing himself:

2nd Corinthians 12:12 The things that mark an apostlesigns, wonders and miracleswere done among you with great perseverance.

and even still the Wheat/tares verse is never is always explained away as some other interpretation when taught in church...

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 06-23-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:writers and such.

Then we shouldn't be on this thread which is fine with me.

I VASTLY disagree with you IHO...

But, I vastly agree with each link I provided in this thread and I will leave it at that.

Again, if you have an issue with Christianity -- DON"T BE A CHRISTIAN!

Wheat and tares---Sheep and Goats....its they way the world is constructed; if you can't see that, I don't even know what to say...loss for words...

* * *

What is this new message, Jesus wants everyone to join the One Heart, there is no good and bad in the world, there are no evil people...repeat not a one.... And Jesus wants ya'll to get into atavistic resurgence, embrace your inner Horus....fly freebird....and then....

The Holy Spirit is.....wait for it......Shiva...yeah, that's it.:rolleyes:

Cnb · 06-23-2007, 03:47 AM

Jesus is also a symbol of the lamb, the fish, the serpent, the pheonix and the sun.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 06-23-2007 04:40 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:the serpent, the pheonix and the sun.

Sure...shouldn't it at least be spelled backwards or something...

Susej of the tnepres, xinoehp and nus....there better....build a NEW religion around that maybe.

xinoehp and nus = even sounds Egyptian backwards....how bout that...

then there are - snoil = seeking who they can <strike>devour</strike>....we can change that to lick, yeah that's it.

snoil seeking to lick...roaming about even...

This new religion will have many fans I am sure.

Hahahaha..Susej...fits in with the phallic thing and looks wormhole-esq...lol

Its a weener... :biggrin:

triplesix · (This post was last modified: 06-23-2007 04:59 AM by triplesix.)

Quote:What is this new message, Jesus wants everyone to join the One Heart, there is no good and bad in the world, there are no evil people...repeat not a one.... And Jesus wants ya'll to get into atavistic resurgence, embrace your inner Horus....fly freebird....and then....

The Holy Spirit is.....wait for it......Shiva...yeah, that's it.:rolleyes:

If you think it is Satanic Horus-worship to believe that if there was a God, the last thing he'd do, is require that the species of animal he created, Homo sapiens sapiens, believe that there is a god and a son, and they're one and the same, and if that specimen believes this once dead, will gain eternal spiritual bliss in the afterlife, regardless of the quality and character of said specimens life;

if you think it is Satanic Horus-worship to believe that if there was a God, the last thing he'd do, is come to a select group of people, some even criminals and thieves before receiving his word, compel them to write his word in their native language in the form of the bible, then compel more to translate this throughout the centuries, sometimes wrongly, up until 1769, then support no further revisions, but canonize the 1769 revision as his final one;

if you think it is Satanic Horus-worship to believe that if there was a God, the last thing he'd do, is compel his "son" to perform miracles no one has performed since, come back from the dead as no one has since, change water into wine and bread out of nothing, along with a myriad of other events that defy experiential logic, then expect people thousands of years later to carry faith in the fact said miracles occurred;

Then fine, call me a Satanist Horus-worshipper and I'll go "fly free-bird," but at this point you've become just plain condescending and have stopped adding anything to the conversation. I don't think anyone's intentions here were to attack you and what you believe in. Yet you make that out to be the purpose of this conversation thread. I think there was a reason Ill Human Oddity made this thread instead of just posting this on the Jesus is the Biggest Hoax Ever thread.

I mean, even if that is your attitude towards my spirituality, that rant doesn't even begin to address the points IHO brought up and it hardly describes his spiritual philosophy.

Here is a person saying, quite unequivocally, that it is his belief that the best way to avoid contamination of God's word, from a Christian perspective, and therefore the way to be the best Christian, is to follow the words of Jesus and Jesus alone. I'm a nonbeliever and I can follow his logic for Christ's sake. The simple fact of the matter is you are placing faith above logic and for people like myself it makes no sense.

But me aside, what issue can you possibly have with what Ill Human Oddity believes? This thread was to help provide some insight into what he posted after all.