Mark Dice gets slapped around by the producer of Zeitgeist

[TraxusIV]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...7900811052

Check out that interview. Its actually quite laughable. This guy who produced Zeitgeist just fucks him up on every point. Very quickly Dice just drops right down to personal attacks. I mean, I am not saying either is right or wrong. One could argue that there are viable counter arguments to every claim this guy made, and that maybe Dice just didn't have the knowledge to adequately debate this guy. But, irregardless, this is a wild series of slap downs. I could almost see him panicking in the studio to find counter arguments for this guy. He really has no choice but to resort to name calling, which sadly is not untypical of Dice.

But one of the main reasons I wanted to post this is that this interview really shows the debilitating power of belief. For someone who is famous for walking around and calling people zombies, Dice has a familiar way of dealing with large absences in the validation of his beliefs. I mean, this is, in the end, what we are trying to fight. And, I am not trying to debate the ligitimacy of religion here. We are out, fighting against getting played.

I had a big debate with a friend today. And he was asking me why I thought Hillary would be just as bad as Bush. The first thing I replied with was that her husband was big in the drug trade. It isn't really the best or most obvious point to make, but for whatever reason I brought it up first. He freaked out and said my claim was, "the most outrageous thing he'd ever heard." He then went on to say a lot about how it was baseless and that I couldn't substantiate it. I then went down a long list of different sources that told the History of the CIA drug trade along with sources that talked about Clinton's drug dealing. And, do you think that mattered at all? Of course not. He didnt even take a look at, let alone go read, The Politics of Heroin or Powder Burns or do anything else I suggested. And, he still believes the CIA has nothing to do with drugs and that the Clintons are, with the exception of a few BJs, angels.

The problem is that a guy like Dice who prides himself on believing the truth sure believes a lot of things that he cant prove. And so does everyone. Even I do. But, I just don't know why I even try to explain things to the asleep anymore. I have never woken up a single person, despite the countless I have attempted. I have lost many a friend over it; even over the mere mention of my beliefs. Yet, I still do. I still tell people how I feel. I still try to explain verifiable elements of reality to people. But, I just don't know what to even say about things anymore. I mean, Cheney declares himself apart from the executive and not even I bat an eye. Its just weird, crazy times we are in right now. And, I feel like the more that time passes, the more ground you have to scour to find any remnants of real life or, god forbid, a functioning brain in this world.

[standvast]

Still very little known about this Peter J , or his motivation for making zeitgeist...

I do like his manner of explaining guillabillity, the inabbillity of people to
look past the basic consensus explanations of big topics.
Mark Dice has a "Christian" outlook, but pretty much admits he can't look past
the dogma's and commandments he adheres to, and analyse their origins
and the role which they have played in manipulating the minds of the populous.
The simple stupid good/evil dichotemy is very prevalent in the thinking of
people, they need to classify everything as either or "true/false" either or "good/bad"
which leaves them to dismiss any version of events that is difficult to understand or harder to accept.

Quote:But one of the main reasons I wanted to post this is that this interview really shows the debilitating power of belief. For someone who is famous for walking around and calling people zombies, Dice has a familiar way of dealing with large absences in the validation of his beliefs. I mean, this is, in the end, what we are trying to fight. And, I am not trying to debate the ligitimacy of religion here. We are out, fighting against getting played.

Agreed.
The "Belief" part often leads to blindly accepting something as fact. Belief [when not
built on empirical knowledge ] requires looking past other options, alternatives to one belief,
as they cause doubt in those beliefs. Same goes for anyone ; most people have a hard time
even considering an idea that goes against their established notions of how the world works,
IOW it is not tied in with religious thinking per se, or with belief as such.
I suppose it comes down to having a want to know, because more often than not, it
seems to me, people really don't want to know anything that threatens what they allready
though was true/known/accepted through consensus. It doesn't matter whether it pertains to
religion, to healthier ways of living, to the state of Israel, or the moonlanding, if it
contradicts the logic by which the uphold their established notions, their "open mind" shuts down.

The question Dice asks about "what if Jesus was no historical person " -
how come the "illuminati" beleive he was a mere initiate/prophet,... is actually quite interesting.
It touches on the Myth-making , which gives people power, the claims of lineage , descent,
supremacy through intelect,.. all goes back to a form of "magic" which is;
making people believe your version of reality, whether it is based in historical reality or not,
playing them by playing on their ignorance of reality, a reality shaped by the ruling class/societies.


thanks for the link , Traxus.

[MC David]

Better to just ignore Mark Dice

[ephilution]

Quote:I had a big debate with a friend today. And he was asking me why I thought Hillary would be just as bad as Bush. The first thing I replied with was that her husband was big in the drug trade. It isn't really the best or most obvious point to make, but for whatever reason I brought it up first. He freaked out and said my claim was, "the most outrageous thing he'd ever heard." He then went on to say a lot about how it was baseless and that I couldn't substantiate it. I then went down a long list of different sources that told the History of the CIA drug trade along with sources that talked about Clinton's drug dealing. And, do you think that mattered at all? Of course not. He didnt even take a look at, let alone go read, The Politics of Heroin or Powder Burns or do anything else I suggested. And, he still believes the CIA has nothing to do with drugs and that the Clintons are, with the exception of a few BJs, angels.

Sounds like a solid field example of cognitive dissonance to me. The level of government imposed brainwashing has been rather effective on your friend, so it seems.

[Dr.Druid]

Yes I've been through the same with a Buddist. Have you ever gone toe to toe with a Buddist? They're crazy when they get mad.

I really respect Mark Dice for his positive activism, however I'm totally on the same page as the interviewee regarding Christianity.

I used to be a Chrisitian by the way.

[Ognir]

Isn't Dice part of "Don't mention the Zionist" radio GCN

To be ignored

[MC David]

Quote:Yes I've been through the same with a Buddist. Have you ever gone toe to toe with a Buddist? They're crazy when they get mad.

I really respect Mark Dice for his positive activism, however I'm totally on the same page as the interviewee regarding Christianity.

I used to be a Chrisitian by the way.

I don't know what it is with Buddhists, I'm not saying all are like this, but some of the most ignorant, thick headed & even aggressive people I've ever encountered have been Buddhists. It's crazy because isn't Buddhism supposed to be the opposite of this? But it's something I've seen repeatedly.

[Ognir]

Dice is a deuce and got his christian arse kicked

Don't mention you know who

[deathstickboy]

Quote:

Quote:Yes I've been through the same with a Buddist. Have you ever gone toe to toe with a Buddist? They're crazy when they get mad.

I really respect Mark Dice for his positive activism, however I'm totally on the same page as the interviewee regarding Christianity.

I used to be a Chrisitian by the way.

I don't know what it is with Buddhists, I'm not saying all are like this, but some of the most ignorant, thick headed & even aggressive people I've ever encountered have been Buddhists. It's crazy because isn't Buddhism supposed to be the opposite of this? But it's something I've seen repeatedly.

Alot of christians are that way as well. All it demonstrates is that believing in any particular faith does not in and of its self make somone a better, or more peaceful person.

Quote:The problem is that a guy like Dice who prides himself on believing the truth sure believes a lot of things that he cant prove. And so does everyone. Even I do. But, I just don't know why I even try to explain things to the asleep anymore. I have never woken up a single person, despite the countless I have attempted. I have lost many a friend over it; even over the mere mention of my beliefs. Yet, I still do. I still tell people how I feel. I still try to explain verifiable elements of reality to people. But, I just don't know what to even say about things anymore. I mean, Cheney declares himself apart from the executive and not even I bat an eye. Its just weird, crazy times we are in right now. And, I feel like the more that time passes, the more ground you have to scour to find any remnants of real life or, god forbid, a functioning brain in this world.

This is a important, because not every one agrees on what consititutes "good evidence". Thats why its better in those situations, to ask people questions rather than tell them outright what you actually think, IMO. Lead them along and such. :wink:

Like "Did you know Bill Clinton pardoned more murderers and bigtime drug dealers in Arkansas while he was governor, than any sitting governor ever has? Why do you think that is?
Stuff like that....

[MC David]

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Quote:Yes I've been through the same with a Buddist. Have you ever gone toe to toe with a Buddist? They're crazy when they get mad.

I really respect Mark Dice for his positive activism, however I'm totally on the same page as the interviewee regarding Christianity.

I used to be a Chrisitian by the way.

I don't know what it is with Buddhists, I'm not saying all are like this, but some of the most ignorant, thick headed & even aggressive people I've ever encountered have been Buddhists. It's crazy because isn't Buddhism supposed to be the opposite of this? But it's something I've seen repeatedly.

Alot of christians are that way as well. All it demonstrates is that believing in any particular faith does not in and of its self make somone a better, or more peaceful person.

That's true, but with Christians I expect it more because buddhists are supposed to be "enlightened". At the risk of sounding judgemental I think the more enlightened people (in the Western world) are those who have studied buddhism or apply buddhist elements to their lives but don't call themselves buddhists.

[Dr.Druid]

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That's true, but with Christians I expect it more because buddhists are supposed to be "enlightened". At the risk of sounding judgemental I think the more enlightened people (in the Western world) are those who have studied buddhism or apply buddhist elements to their lives but don't call themselves buddhists.
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Totally.

[SerialExpLain]

Peter J., coward doesn't even have a last name. Couldn't even tack an S onto it, isn't that the vogue thing to do: Archaic S.

Mark Dice has a forum, with Christians, and where they actively have issues with Satanists, must be good thing.

Really now, what do you expect from an army of wolves, working behind the scenes to subvert everything, infiltrate everything for how many centuries? It is prophesized that they would wear out the saints, over-run the saints....

They've been planning their propaganda war since Francis Bacon's New Atlantis directive, probably tacked to every propaganda machine buletin board.

They have all the money and all the political power. Satan rules this world, so you get the Satan shit piped in 24/7 now.

I had heard that Christian content was being filtered on the net anyway. Probably has been debunked a million times, you just won't be able to SEE it.

(That voice is SO familiar. Anyway sounds like Al.)

AlIance of CIvIlIzatIons...

[MikeWB]

Excellent interview!!! Peter exposed all the religious bullshit and mind control methods that these elites have been using for 2000 years to control us. Dice is a blind believer.

[MikeWB]

Quote:Peter J., coward doesn't even have a last name. Couldn't even tack an S onto it, isn't that the vogue thing to do: Archaic S.

Mark Dice has a forum, with Christians, and where they actively have issues with Satanists, must be good thing.

Really now, what do you expect from an army of wolves, working behind the scenes to subvert everything, infiltrate everything for how many centuries? It is prophesized that they would wear out the saints, over-run the saints....

They've been planning their propaganda war since Francis Bacon's New Atlantis directive, probably tacked to every propaganda machine buletin board.

They have all the money and all the political power. Satan rules this world, so you get the Satan shit piped in 24/7 now.

I had heard that Christian content was being filtered on the net anyway. Probably has been debunked a million times, you just won't be able to SEE it.

(That voice is SO familiar. Anyway sounds like Al.)

AlIance of CIvIlIzatIons...

There is no Satan. That's just religious bullshit. There's just evil people. People who want to control us just like a shepherd controls his sheep. Our shepherds need our wool... they need the product of our work. And they control you by telling you these crazy stories about an invisible guy who watches over you and makes sure you don't do something stupid (something they don't want you to do) and how there's an evil supervillain (Satan) who's the source of everything bad in the world (noooo, they're not the evil ones... Satan's the one that's doing evil stuff, not them!) and how there's this wonderful place where you'll go when you die, but only if you're good (a place that no one has ever seen) and how there's this super hot place for you if you disobey your masters. You think you're free and yet you're not. You're shackled by these beliefs that they put upon you through years of brainwashing.

Don't you see how f'ing ridiculous all this nonsense sounds?!?!? Even I could write better fiction than that.

[SerialExpLain]

Quote:There is no Satan

Yes, there is and his minions are the propaganda machine for crap like Zeitgeist, can we say NWO religion?

(If you can't hear Satan in the narrator of Zeitgeist's voice you have 0 discernment) Right Al?

Its a mandate now thanks to The Alliance of Civilizations, I believe the goal is Rumi-esq, if I am not mistaken.

Its the Zionist crap, obviously:rolleyes:

There is a war against Christianity because the controllers are waging a war against Christianity, but it is a lie, but then again consider the source of the propaganda against Christianity -- all the secret Illuminati societies with ALL THE MONEY. Can you say Templar hordes??