Interview with a freemason

[Soul Real]

Quote:C'mon Soul Real we know you is a freemason

:kneel:

[shZ]

Quote:I'm surprised that you are surprised unless you don't want to see the vague possibility that what we are saying might just actually be true.

Well, to be frank, I don't trust anyone belonging to any type of secret organization. I never really thought you guys (i.e. the masons on the boards) were always being disingenuos, but your convictions don't necessarily convince me what you believe is necessarily true.

Quote:So he wasn't lying but just a bit cautious in replying to a question. Surely you would be the same in a live interview. Listened to ConCen radio at all?

Actually, no, I've only heard the first one since I haven't really had the time lately.

Quote:So has he changed your views about Freemasonry - even to the smallest extent?

Cheers

Again, I don't think every mason is evil or a bad person. That doesn't imply I think the organization as a whole was ever intended for benevolent purposes, at best it's self serving. But like any hierachical institution, especially keeping in mind the secrecy and compartmentalization inherent to it's structure, I think it's rather illogical and irrational to not assume it has some rather questionable objectives. I'll repeat this again, I don't think all of you guys are bad apples. I've known a few guys in other secret societies and some dudes/chicks involved in the esoteric arts/mysticism/black magic/whatever the heck you want to call it. A handful of them have actually been more than aquaintences. Not to try and stroke everyone involed in that stuff with one brush, but the point is you're misunderstanding my views of individuals in a group as opposed to the group itself. Although it would be kind of interesting to know more masons in person. But to get you guys to open up (masons in particualr), people essentialy have to agree with you or be one of you. It's fairly difficult to trust someone like that, regardless of affiliations with groups. Peace.

[hilly7]

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Again, I don't think every mason is evil or a bad person. That doesn't imply I think the organization as a whole was ever intended for benevolent purposes, at best it's self serving. But like any hierachical institution, especially keeping in mind the secrecy and compartmentalization inherent to it's structure, I think it's rather illogical and irrational to not assume it has some rather questionable objectives. I'll repeat this again, I don't think all of you guys are bad apples. I've known a few guys in other secret societies and some dudes/chicks involved in the esoteric arts/mysticism/black magic/whatever the heck you want to call it. A handful of them have actually been more than aquaintences. Not to try and stroke everyone involed in that stuff with one brush, but the point is you're misunderstanding my views of individuals in a group as opposed to the group itself. Although it would be kind of interesting to know more masons in person. But to get you guys to open up (masons in particualr), people essentialy have to agree with you or be one of you. It's fairly difficult to trust someone like that, regardless of affiliations with groups. Peace.
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The ones that don't speak openly usually show by example. Should they tell you all their secrets? Shpuld they tell their enemy all ther secrets? Your wrong about the self serving part, it's anything but focused on just that. I can no longer after tonight say as much but if you stop and think, think for yourself there may be reasons for it. After tonight I know the greatest threat to TPTB agenda is the Freemasons, get them out of the way and boom, your there. People like Alex Jones attacks them while never offending Israel, home of the fake jews. It's a smokescreen. 13 families and Jews have an open door to take over and we are ignorantly holding the gates open. This is pretty much a false flag. As long as we're going off 1/2 cocked with information that anybody can supply and chase our tails, kill our allies where do you think we will get? Dominated maybe? Masons are not known by words but by actions and sure there are some bad sneaked in but the majority is good. Their not the ones wanting a NWO.

[K.Trout]

hey..great job! Your hard work is appreciated! Nice interview ...yeah all of his answers were general and I guess we'll all have to become masons if we wanna know the "truth" but your work is appreciated... and he file size was fine.. anyone complaining must have crappy dl speeds. Keeep up the good work and i'll be following your podcast from now on!

[Soul Real]

Hey thanks alot. I really appreciate the positive feedback.

I was looking at people who are linking to my site and I found a masonic site that was referring to me as anti-masonic.
http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2007/08/m...nti-masons.html

So I posted on my blog the following....

Quote:Are we an Anti-Mason Website?
Writing by Soul Real on Wednesday, 22 of August , 2007 at 7:21 am

The title of the blog says “Masonic Traveler Gives Anti-Masons an earful”. Really? Anti-Mason? Me?

As I set there and read that this is an “Anti-Mason Website” I wondered rather it could be true? I have to be honest that it seems a bit extreme to me. Why? I looked over all my material that I have posted, stuff I am planning to post and contemplated all the previous material posted on the old site and still found nothing I feel could legitimately be labeled as anti-masonic. It is true that I have problems with aspects of Freemasonry from what it teaches, to the way it is taught and even the grandiose egos of many of its members, but are no criticisms valid that wont be cast into a category reserved for liars and zealots?

It seems to me that there are many things on this planet that are worthy of valid criticism, from government agencies to religious institutions and Freemasonry certainly stands as no exception. I felt I was fair in my criticism of Freemasonry and if the Freemason I interviewed agreed that at least some of my criticisms were fair, then why should I be tossed into the category shared by likes of Hitler and Leo Taxil.

I am not offended by this but I prefer that Freemasons stop using words like “anti” too loosely. I have and will continue to treat the topic of Freemasonry with fairness by allowing rebuttals to my claims, but I wont pretend that the organization is benevolent in any way. If that makes me worthy of the label Anti-Mason, so mote it be!

I edited parts because I felt some comments were inaccurate and/or extreme.

[Soul Real]

Check this out. WOW and its still going.

[Light Invisible]

Quote:Hey thanks alot. I really appreciate the positive feedback.

I was looking at people who are linking to my site and I found a masonic site that was referring to me as anti-masonic.
http://burningtaper.blogspot.com/2007/08/m...nti-masons.html

Now this is going to sound really strange but hey it's the truth.

I woldn't take it personally not all Freemasons can actually tell the difference between a Conspiracy Theorist and an Anti-Mason, in the same way that not all CTs can tell the difference between the NWO and Freemasonry.

I still think that you did an excellent job, very balanced. This will suprise the majority of Freemasons who listen to it.

Mike

[strawman]

SR

I enjoyed the podcast, and found the interview informational and well-balanced. He sounded pretty young - did it ever come up how old he was?

I have to say, one thing I found troubling was an admission by yourself, when you said you agreed with the idea of a Guardian class ruling the masses, as stated in Plato's Republic. I would posit that this is what we have now, and look where it's got us. To say that 'the intentions of the agenda and those behind it are well placed' is baffling, if you're seeing the same world as I am. You even suggest that very finite control over society would be necessary to bring in the Utopian society, and have very little objection to the idea, save for the rise of another Hitler. I would counter to say we've got many Hitler's among the ruling elite, as they subscribe to the same eugenics mindset as he did. Hitler didn't come up with that on his own - he got it from Plato and the like.

You also mentioned you thought the common man was essentially savage and left to his own actions would hurt and kill one another. I can't state enough how far off base I think you are with this statement. I would counter that it is the opposite, that the majority of people are incapable of doing harm to one another, until of course the environment they are raised in has a chance to alter their basic essence. This could be through living conditions, media brainwashing, parental upbringing, etc.

I would continue to say that with such admissions you betray the brainwashing you've suffered - that we are incapable of ruling ourselves and need 'illuminated' ones to do it for us. Don't take this as an attack on your character - everyone on this board has been brainwashed to an extent, and many factors go into what type and how malicious the brainwashing is. It is the 'Guardians' who are psychopathic, and they imbue upon us their ideals wherever possible, depending at what stage of their agenda we are at. What is key is recognizing the psychological skewing we've suffered at the hands of the psychopaths, and undo it at every turn.

With all due respect

S

[Soul Real]

Hey S,

I take no offense to what you wrote but I would like to point out something that you may have missed which is that was my perspective in the past, not any more. I started getting into New Age when I was about 20, I went through a period of what you described around 22 from all the masonic books I began studying. Now I am 28 and totally opposed to such notions but at the time I did not realize the full scope of what was being said and how that manifested in Government, Religious institutions, and society. Once I began to see that much of the agenda had been at work and what the fruit of it was, I realized that the ideologies are dangerous and ultimately evil with a good intention coating. I was relaying what I believed at the time so that the individual I was speaking with would realize that I understood the concepts and I decided to stick with the objection that got me to change my view of those concepts. Sorry if this doesn't make much sense. I have only had 6 hours of sleep in two days. It is starting to effect me pretty bad. Feel free to ask any questions you would like to know about my beliefs and I will do my best to explain. I can assure you that I am completely against such notions in my life today and have been for a number of years now.

[strawman]

Hey SR

Sorry I somehow missed that you were talking about past beliefs, but glad to hear that you're seeing things more clearly. Like I said you sound like a smart man and you're doing good work with your podcasts.

I'm also sorry to hear about the sleep deprivation - I hope for your sake the cause is an insatiable wife...all kidding aside I've learned the body will take care of itself so don't sweat it too much.

Have a good weekend

S