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Of course only a fraction was discussed then about these things.

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7) The Real Gas Chambers



Notice the massive metal door with lock, the ventilation pipe, valves and switches and metal walls.







Many of these are built with the technology of the 1930s.






How a real exceqution gas chamber works

http://www.revisionists.com/leuchter/rep...h6000.html

Quote:7.000 LETHAL GAS CHAMBER FUNCTION.
The function of a Lethal Gas Chamber is simple in theory, but complex in actual usage. Essentially, the executee is sealed into a chamber which is inwardly pressurized (evacuated) causing any leak of dangerous hydrogen cyanide gas to be inward. By means of an external actuator, sodium cyanide pellets (briquets) are dropped into warm, dilute sulfuric acid within the chamber. Hydrogen Cyanide (ZyklonB)gas is generated within the chamber due to the chemical reaction of the sodium cyanide and the sulfuric acid. The released gas surrounds the executee and terminates his life.
After a sufficient time has elapsed, the chamber is ventilated completely, with air in excess of 80 degrees Fahrenheit, many times over, and the subject is removed after proper neutralization with ammonia. The prussic acid, residual to the chemical reaction, must be disposed of. The Chamber must be neutralized by washing with ammonia and caustic soda or chlorine bleach. Care must be taken in handling the corpse, cleaning the chamber and gas generator, and evacuating the gas to see that no one other than the executee is killed.
7.001 The Mississippi Lethal Gas Chamber is operated in the following manner. First, it is tested to determine if all of the plumbing is clear and tight. This is done by opening Inlet Valve (3) and Outlet Valve (4) and running tap water into the Acid Mixing Pot (9) for five minutes. This determines that there are no blockages in the plumbing. Then Valve (4) is closed and tap water is run into the Acid Mixing Pot filling the Gas Generator (D) to the floor level of the lethal chamber. The piping in the pit is then inspected to determine that there are no leaks. The Gas generator Valve (1) is then closed by utilizing Gas Valve Lever (1), trapping the water above the valve at floor level. Then, Outlet Valve (4) is opened, allowing the water to drain into the sewer, since Gas Valve Lever (1) has opened the Gas Generator Vent Stack Valve (A).
7.002 Next is the vacuum test. First, check the Packing Gland and tighten the window frames onto the gaskets. Close and seal the door. Then place some water around Air Intake Valve (2) (to ensure a tight seal) and close Valve (2) by actuating Lever (2). Open Air Exhaust Valve (5) by means of Fan Damper Lever (5) and start exhaust Fan. This will pull a vacuum on the chamber. We must now monitor the Manometer (6) to determine if it remains constant or indicates there is a leak. If there is no leak, the following is done to effect an execution: turn off fan and open the Air Intake Valve (2). This relieves the vacuum. Open the door. The heat must be turned on and the Death House brought to and maintained at a temperature of over 80 degrees Fahrenheit to prevent condensation of the hydrocyanic acid on the interior of the gas chamber, which would make cleanup extremely dangerous. Hydrogen cyanide gas condenses at 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit (25.7 degrees Celsius) and the intake air in the control room must be kept above this temperature.
7.003 Utilizing the Gas Valve Lever (1), the Gas Generator Valve (10) should be opened and closed to eliminate any water trapped above the floor in the last test. The Sodium Cyanide briquet container above the valve should be thoroughly dried so that no moisture will reach the cyanide briquets until the execution begins. The door gasket, the window frames, the Packing Gland, the Manometer inlet, and the two heart monitor connections are coated with petroleum jelly as a guard against leakage. Two or more gallons of distilled water are poured into the system to insure that traps # 1 and # 2 are full. All chemicals (acid and water as well as caustic soda) are mixed and readied.
Outlet Valve (4) should be closed to seal the system from the drain, and Intake Valve (3) should be closed to contain the acid/water mixture until ready. The Gas Generator Valve (10) should be verifies as closed and the locking pin installed through the hole in the Gas Valve Lever. The sodium cyanide briquets should now be placed in the briquet container above the valve. The Acid should be mixed with warm distilled water and placed in Acid Mixing Pot (9). Air Intake Valve (2) should be closed. The Ammonia Injectors should be made ready by closing the Injector Valves and by pumping up the pressure. The watch-glass of Phenolphthalein solution is placed on the shelf within the chamber. The doctor tapes the mechanical stethoscope and the electronic heart monitor to the executee's chest. The door is closed and sealed.
The doctor verifies that the two heart monitors are working. The Air Exhaust Valve (5) should be closed and the Exhaust fan should be started. The vacuum should be monitored on the Manometer (6). Inlet Valve (3) should be opened allowing the acid/water mixture into the gas generator, and then closed. The Acid Mixing Pot (9) should be completely filled with tap water to prevent backflow of gas. The Lethal Chamber is now ready for the execution.
7.004 The Emergency exhaust fans are now verified as operational. A monitor is stationed at the Manometer. A monitor is at each chamber window, Air Intake Valve (20, and the chamber door with a hand held gas detector which sense Hydrogen Cyanide Gas to 10 ppm (parts per million). The emergency breathing apparatus (air packs) are verified as being immediately available to those present in the Death House. The execution can now proceed. The manometer (vacuum) is verbally verified and Air Intake Valve (2) is visually verified as closed. Additionally, special hydrogen cyanide first-aid kits are on hand in the Death House, special emergency physician's medical kits and two resuscitators are on hand at the infirmary, and two emergency ambulances are on standby inside the prison. The guard tower at the entrance sally port of the Maximum Security Facility is evacuated as a precaution against wind carrying the expelled air-gas mixture to the tower and killing the guard stationed there. This is the only time that this most important security post is abandoned.
7.005 On command from the Warden, the execution is begun and the witness curtains opened. The locking pin is now removed from the Gas Valve Lever and the Gas Valve Lever (1) is thrown, opening the Gas Generator Valve (10) which drops the cyanide pellets into the acid solution beginning the generation of the gas. The monitors verify that the vacuum is holding and that there are no leaks detected. After several minutes, the executee will be dead and the doctor will verify this fact. The doctor will wait several more minutes and inform the Warden that the subject is dead. (Total time normally ten [10] minutes.) The Warden will then order the chamber to be cleared of gas and the witness curtains closed.
7.006 The Gas Valve Lever (1) will be returned to closed position which will close the Gas Generator Valve (10) (which will prevent any further gas from entering the chamber) and open the Gas Generator Vent Stack Valve (A) preparing the Gas Generator for draining. The Fan Damper Lever will be thrown, opening the Air Exhaust Valve (5). The Air Intake Valve (2) will be opened and the Manifold Ammonia Valve (7) opened. The Chamber will begin exhausting the air/gas mixture and the ammonia will begin to neutralize the hydrogen cyanide and protect against any leakage back through the Air Intake Valve (2). The Chamber will be cleared (according to tests) in one minute (Eaton says three). This exhaust procedure will continue for fifteen (15) minutes (at Eaton's instruction) to guarantee at least five full air changes.
Open Outlet Valve (4) allowing the prussic acid residue to pass into the sewer. Open Inlet Valve (3) allowing water in Acid Mixing Pot (9) to pass into the plumbing and flush the system while opening Ammonia Injector Valve (8) to insure no back-flow of poison gas. Pour Caustic Soda solution into Acid Mixing Pot (9) and flush continuously with tap water for fifteen minutes or more. Both Ammonia Injectors (Valves 7 and 8) should be turned off in ten (10) minutes.
7.007 After at least fifteen minutes of venting the chamber, the phenolphthalein solution should be checked for its characteristic red color, indicating that the chamber is clear. When the chamber is clear, two operators, wearing full chemical suits with air-packs and rubber gloves, will open the chamber and verify with gas detectors. (Previously, gas masks with hydrocyanic acid and ammonia were utilized.) The operators in the chemical suits ruffle the executee's hair to eliminate any trapped gas and then spray the executee and the chamber with ammonia. The doctor, now wearing a chemical suit with an air-pack, makes the final pronouncement of death.
The executee is now undressed and washed with a caustic soda or ammonia solution and is removed from the chamber and redressed in different clothing. His body is then ready for removal by the undertaker, who works on the body thereafter, with rubber gloves. The clothing worn by the executee at the time of execution is placed in a plastic bag and sealed, after which it is disposed of, generally by incineration.
The Gas Generator Valve (10) is now opened by throwing Gas Valve Lever (1). The Lethal Chamber and all its contents are washed with caustic soda (walls, floor and ceiling) and the residue flushed into the Gas Generator at the base of the chamber and thence down the drain. Gas Generator Valve (10) is then closed by throwing Gas Valve Lever (1) and the plumbing continuously flushed for another ten (10) minutes. Upon completion of the cleanup, approximately an hour after the execution ended, the Death House is secured with the exhaust fan left running.
7.008 The following day, the step-down maintenance is performed. An inspection is made to determine if everything is dry. The fan is then turned off. The equipment is then stored in its proper place. All valves are closed and then opened to half position to eliminate pressure on the packing. The nuts on the window frames are loosened to eliminate pressure on the gaskets. The door to the chamber is left open so there is no pressure on the gasket. The Air Exhaust Valve will not be closed, to eliminate pressure on the gasket. The Death House is now made permanently secure.
7.009 Prior to the next usage, all valves will be checked, the window gaskets will be tightened and the Packing Gland will be re-packed. The Chamber will be again tested to the procedure outlined above.
7.010 The two man Lethal Gas Chambers built by Eaton were identical in design and construction to the one man chamber at Mississippi except that they had two seats and duplicate plumbing systems requiring that all chemical procedures had to be completed twice. Some of these chambers required that the cyanide pellets (often called "eggs") be placed in a gauze sack and dipped into the acid solution in the generator below the chamber by a trip mechanism similar to the one in Mississippi except that it was suspended from the chain instead of being fastened to the floor. This was changed because it was safer, in that no one had to handle the gauze sack after the execution.
7.011 The chemicals used by Mississippi are an approximate 37% Sulfuric Acid Solution (acid and distilled water) and an approximate 16 ounces of sodium cyanide. This requires twelve (12) pints of distilled water and six (6) pints of acid (98%) resulting in 18 pints of dilute sulfuric acid reacting with 24 briquets of sodium cyanide. This results in two (2) cubic feet of Hydrogen Cyanide gas at the 10 psi (approximate) operational pressure or an amount of approximately 7500 ppm.

8.000 DESIGN CRITERIA FOR A LETHAL GAS CHAMBER.
This basic design was developed almost seventy years ago by those tasked with designing a device for the execution of condemned criminals. With very few exceptions, it is still state of the art. It is basic, effective and reasonably safe. Failure to follow these criteria in the design of a gas chamber would result in death to the operators and others not concerned with the execution process. These criteria were developed in the United States, where the only execution gas chambers were ever built, or used. These basic design principles have proven themselves for almost three-quarters of a century. They were even utilized by the Germans in the construction of their delousing chambers to fight vermin infestation and typhus in central Europe in the 1930s and 1940s.
8.001 Required: Design a Lethal Gas Chamber to utilize hydrogen cyanide gas for the execution of convicted criminals, knowing the gas is extremely deadly, explosive, and condenses at 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit.
8.002 The chamber and all inlets, whether electrical or mechanical, must be sealed to prevent leakage. The door must be gasketed with some type of pressure seal as used on water-tight doors at sea. The windows, if any, must be gasketed and sealed. Further, the chamber must be operated at a pressure less than the outside ambient pressure (vacuum) to insure that any leak would be inward.
8.003 Because the gas is explosive, all lighting and electrical hardware in the chamber must be explosion-proof. Any mechanical hardware must be prevented from causing a spark, as well as the occupant who must be restrained from causing an explosion. The concentration of the gas at the generator or at its source (the inert carrier in the case of ZyklonB)is almost 100%, much greater than its 6% lower explosion level (lel).
8.004 Either the gas is to be generated, supplied from tanks or supplied from an inert carrier such as Zyklon B. If it is to be generated, mechanical means must be supplied to drop sodium cyanide into an acid solution. If it is to be supplied from tanks, a heated water jacket must be used to vaporize it from a liquid (its form in the tank). If Zyklon B is to be used, a hot air circulator must be employed to evaporate the gas (boil it off) from the inert carrier. The simplest means is to generate the gas in the chamber. If we used tanks, the heater and the valves must all be explosion proof. If Zyklon B is utilized, we need an expensive circulator, piping system, additional seals on the chamber and the pump and, further, must be concerned with possible gas leaks outside the chamber proper. Further, we must see that the heater never causes an electrical spark.
8.005 We must have a system for exhausting the air-gas mixture from the chamber and a stack above the tallest object to dissipate the gas before it can harm anyone. This requires an inlet valve and an exhaust valve, both gasketed, and an exhaust fan capable of sufficient flow to clear the chamber a number of times in a short span of time. The intake air must be heated to a temperature of greater than 78.3 degrees Fahrenheit (25.7 Celsius) to prevent condensation of the hydrocyanic acid in the chamber. We must add a strong base to the intake air to neutralize any leakage backwards to the operators.
8.006 After the usage, we must have a system or procedure to neutralize the executee's body of hydrocyanic acid and to purge the chamber of the same. This requires the washing of the subject, as well as the chamber, with a strong base while wearing protective suits and gas masks or air supplies. Further, we must have some type of indicator for gas leakage, as well as an air exhaust system to protect the operators. We require special hydrogen cyanide medical kits, resuscitators and doctors trained to handle an emergency. We must restrict the hydrogen cyanide gas and the residual prussic acid or Zyklon B carrier from unsuspectingly coming into contact with the operation.

(By Fred A. Leuchter, exceqution technology expert and designer of a gas chamber.)
http://www.revisionists.com/leuchter/rep...h7000.html
http://www.revisionists.com/leuchter/rep...h8000.html



So, lets compare the Nazi gas chambers with the exceqution gas chambers in the concentration camps.

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8) Auschwitz
I will refer many times to The Rudolf Report Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz, http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/index.html

Quote:Auschwitz (Konzentrationslager Auschwitz (help·info)) was the largest of the German Nazi concentration and extermination camps. Located in southern Poland, it took its name from the nearby town of Oświęcim (Auschwitz in German), situated about 50 kilometers west of Kraków and 286 kilometers from Warsaw. Following the German occupation of Poland in September 1939, Oświęcim was incorporated into Germany and renamed Auschwitz.

The complex consisted of three main camps: Auschwitz I, the administrative center; Auschwitz II (Birkenau), an extermination camp or Vernichtungslager; and Auschwitz III (Monowitz), a work camp. The first two of them have been on the World Heritage List since 1979. There were also around 40 satellite camps, some of them tens of kilometers from the main camps, with prisoner populations ranging from several dozen to several thousand.[1]

The camp commandant, Rudolf Höss, testifed at the Nuremberg Trials that 3 million people had died at Auschwitz during his stay as a commandant. Later he decreased his estimate to about 1.1 million. The death toll given by the Soviets and accepted by many was 4,000,000 people. This number was written on the plaques in the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum. The Museum revised this figure in 1990, and new calculations by Dr. Franciszek Piper now place the figure at 1.1 million[2] about 90 percent of them Jews from almost every country in Europe.[3] Most of the dead were killed in gas chambers using Zyklon B; other deaths were caused by systematic starvation, forced labor, lack of disease control, individual executions, and so-called medical experiments.
[...]
Beginning in 1940, Nazi Germany built several concentration camps and an extermination camp in the area, which at the time was under German occupation. The Auschwitz camps were a major element in the perpetration of the Holocaust; about 1.1 million people were killed there, of whom over 90% were Jews.

The three main camps were:
Auschwitz I, the original concentration camp which served as the administrative center for the whole complex, and was the site of the deaths of roughly 70,000 people, mostly Poles and Soviet prisoners of war.
Auschwitz II (Birkenau), an extermination camp, where at least 1.1 million Jews, 75,000 Poles, and some 19,000 Roma (Gypsies) were killed.
Auschwitz III (Monowitz), which served as a labor camp for the Buna-Werke factory of the I.G. Farben concern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz


8.1. Auschwitz Death Toll
(Better look at here: http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Faurisson17-23.html)

Quote:How many deaths at Auschwitz?

By Dr. Robert Faurisson

Number of Victims
Source

9,000,000
persons according to the documentary film Nuit et Brouillard (Night and Fog, title used in the English-speaking world) (1955), whose historical advisers were the historian Henri Michel and the woman historian Olga Wormser-Migot[11]

8,000,000
persons according to the French War Crime Research Office and the French War Crime Information Service) (1945)[12]

7,000,000
persons according to Raphaël Feigelson (1945)[13]

6,000,000
Jews according to Tibère Kremer, writer of a foreword for Miklos Nyiszli (1951)[14]

5,000,000 to 5,500,000
persons according to Bernard Czardybon (1945), according to confessions attributed to some SS members and according to the newspaper Le Monde (1978), which was adding: "of whom 90% of Jews".[15]

4,500,000
persons according to Henryk Mandelbaum (1945)[16]

4,000,000
persons according to a Soviet document of which the Nuremberg tribunal took "judicial notice". This figure was inscribed nineteen times, with a commentary in as many different languages, on the Auschwitz-Birkenau monument. It was repeated by a sizable number of persons, including the Polish historian Franciszek Piper. It was to be declared false in 1990 and replaced, on the monument, in 1995, by the figure of 1,500,000 with the concurrence of the same F. Piper for whom this figure is a maximum while the minimum figure is of 1,100,000. According to Miriam Novitch (1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish. According to Rabbi Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of whom 3,000,000 were Jews.[17]

3,500,000
persons according to the Dictionnaire de la langue française, published by Hachette (1991). According to Claude Lanzmann (1980), there were 3,500,000 gassed of whom 95% of Jews as well as many other deaths[18]

3,000,000
persons until December 1st, 1943, according to a confession extorted from Rudolf Höß, ex-Commander of Auschwitz[19]

3,000,000
Jews gassed according to David Susskind (1986) and according to Heritage, the most inmportant Californian Jewish weekly (1993)[20]

2,500,000
persons according to Rudolf Vrba for the Eichmann trial (1961)[21]

2,000,000 (?) to 4,000,000 (?)
according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1982)[22]

2,000,000 to 3,000,000
Jews killed as well as thousands of non-Jews according to a confession attributed to an SS in charge, Pery Broad[23]

2,000,000 to 2,500,000
persons killed according to a confession attributed to an SS physician, Dr. Friedrich Entress (1945)[24]

2,000,000
persons according to the historian Léon Poliakov (1951); according to the historian Georges Wellers (1973) and according to the woman historian Lucy Davidowicz (1975)[25]

1,600,000
persons according to the historian Yehuda Bauer (1989), of whom 1,352,980 Jews[26] (the latter figure is from Georges Wellers, 1983).

1,500,000
persons this figure, chosen by Lech Walesa, replaced, in 1995, on the Birkenau monument, that of 4,000,000 which had been withdrawn in 1990[27]

1,471,595
persons of whom 1,352,980 Jews, according to the historian Georges Wellers (1983)[28]

1,250,000
persons or so, of whom 1,000,000 Jews killed and more than 250,000 non-Jews dead, according to the historian Raul Hilberg.[29]

1,100,000 to 1,500,000
persons according to the historians Yisrael Gutman, Michael Berenbaum and Franciszek Piper (1994).[30]

1,000,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1989) and according to the Dictionnaire des noms propres, published by Hachette (1992).[31]

800,000 to 900,000
persons according to the historian Gerald Reitlinger (1953).[32]

775,000 to 800,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1993), of whom 630,000 were gassed Jews.[33]

630,000 to 710,000
persons according to Jean-Claude Pressac (1994), of whom from 470,000 to 550,000 were gassed Jews.[34]

510.000
persons according to Fritjof Meyer (2002), of whom 356.000 were gassed Jews.[35]

(Sources found here: http://vho.org/tr/2003/1/Faurisson17-23.html)



I want to add few sources which I found repeating these "exaggerated" figures:
4,100,000: Aushcwitz Nazi Extermination Camp 1985, Interpress. This is a Polish book, which is a collection of essays, including Franciszek Piper's.
4,000,000: Encyclopaedia Fennica, 1963. A big Finnish encyclopedia.
4,000,000: Uusi Tietosanakirja, 1960 (New Encyclopaedia). A big Finnish encyclopedia.
3,000,000: Kansojen Historia Osa 21 (Peoples' History part 21). Carl Grimberg's over 20 books long encyclopedia, written in 80s.
3,000,000: Juutalaisten Historia (History of the Jews). A Finnish book, written in 80s.
3,000,000: A Finnish Holocaust exhibition. An amateur's ambulant holocaust exhibition, which claimed still in 2006 that "3,000,000 people died in Auschwitz, 2,500,000 were Jews", this is the Höss' "confession" (propably still today it claims the same in its' brochure).

Abobe mentioned figures mean ALL the people, not only Jews. IF we would accept that "according to Miriam Novitch (1967), of the 4,000,000 dead, 2,700,000 were Jewish; and according to Rabbi Moshe Weiss (1991), more than 4,000,000 persons died at Auchwitz, of whom 3,000,000 were Jews", then the 6 million figure should be lowered accordingly. BUT the propblem is that not everyone agreed with them. Some assumed that of the 4 million 2 million were Jews. Many Western historians and Encyclopedias always after the War considered the 4 million figure exaggerated, and many thought that the real figure was about 1-2 or 1-3 million. I remember one old Encyclopaedia Britannica state that "1-4 million people died in Auschwitz". So it is, in my opinion, an over simplification (even misleading) to say that: "from 4 to 1.5 million, so that means 6 minus ~2 equals ~4 million Jews died in the Holocaust".



In my opinion, lets just use this Auschwitz Death Toll (by dr. Robert Faurisson) to demonstrate the unrealiability of these Auschwitz figures: 1-9 million died in Auschwitz ("Oh it's 1 million today, instead of 9...".


8.2. Alleged killings


Death toll (at present)

Quote:The following is a description of the homicidal gassing procedures for the individual installations, if one were to assume that one million human beings were actually gassed:
Crematorium I:
Blocking the crematorium environs to third parties; 500-700 victims undressing in open air (what a spectacle for all other inmates!); entry into 'gas chamber' (morgue) near oven room; on their way to the 'gas chamber,' victims march past piles of corpses of earlier victims; introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks after closure of doors; turning on of ventilators (if available) and opening of doors after death of victims (approximately five min.); evacuation of chambers without gas masks; removal and cremation of victims.[461] According to Pressac only a few gassings, with a total of only 10,000 victims.[462]

Crematoria II/III:
Entry of 800 to 1,200 victims into western entrance stairway into crematorium II; undressing in undressing cellar; travel through stairwell into morgue 1 ('gas chamber'); introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks; turning on ventilators after death of victims (approximately five min.); opening of doors after approximately 20 minutes; hosing down of corpses, soiled with blood, vomit, and excrement; removal of bodies without utilization of gas masks; cutting of hair and removal of gold teeth while bodies are still in cellar; transport with lift (payload 1.5 tons) to ground floor; there, transport through water-filled channels to ovens; cremation.[302] Approximately 400,000 victims for crematorium II, 350,000 for crematorium III according to Pressac.[463]

Crematorium IV/V:
Undressing of a few hundred victims in open air (again: what a spectacle for all other inmates!), otherwise in morgue, some of them next to corpses of last gassing victims awaiting cremation; entry into 'gas chambers' past coal room and doctor's office; evacuation of the entire building; introduction of Zyklon B through hatches from a ladder after closure of door(s); opening of doors after 15 to 20 minutes; removal of corpses to morgue or to cremation ditches behind crematorium V by the Sonderkommando, some of them wearing gas masks, some not. According to Pressac, the number of victims can only be estimated with difficulty, probably approximately 100,000.[464] A similar scenario applies to farmhouses I and II (see chapter 5.4.3.).

[461] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 125.
[462] Ibid., pp. 131f.
[463] Ibid., p. 187.
[464] Ibid., pp. 384-390.

(http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html [The Rudolf Report] J.-C. Pressac, Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, 1989. Available here: http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0011.shtml Also notice how holocaust-history doesnt even hint that revisionists have refuted this book eons ago.)

In addition: Auschwitz museum's tour guide said that "OVER 500,000 people were killed in Crematorium 2 alone". Also according to guide: "OVER 1,5 million people were alltogether killed in Auschwitz".

Quote:R: There are basically two ways of getting a picture of what happened in Auschwitz.
You can either go to original sources and read and analyze the thousands
of documents and statements by witnesses, or else you can reach for a book
published by the institution that claims to be the ultimate authority on the subject.
That is the Polish State Museum at Auschwitz.
Needless to say, almost everyone chooses the latter method. Who has the time
and resources for the former? For this reason, I would like to briefly summarize
the literature published by the Auschwitz State Museum. I would like to briefly
describe the museum’s official history of Auschwitz and its presentation of the
alleged extermination process. It goes like this:[470]
In the summer of 1941, Camp Commandant Höß receives oral orders to get the
camp ready to exterminate Jews. Early in September 1941, in the cellar of a
building in the main camp, there is an experimental gassing of several hundred
Soviet POWs using the cyanide based pesticide Zyklon B.[471] In the following
weeks the morgue of the crematory in the main camp is converted into a homicidal
gas chamber. The conversion consists of knocking holes in the concrete
roof so that Zyklon B can be dumped into the room below. This gas chamber
begins operation around the end of 1941 and is in use until early 1943 (see the
plans of this crematory in Ill. 71, p. 252).
The “selection” of victims is performed next to the railroad tracks in front of
the main camp. Those prisoners who are able to work are accepted in the camp,
while those unable to work are sent directly to “gas chambers.” The bodies of
the victims are then cremated in the room next to the gas chamber, which
originally contained two double-muffle[472] crematory ovens (later there were
three.)
In the first half of 1942, two old farmhouses outside the Birkenau camp are
converted to gas chambers. These are called “Bunker 1” and “Bunker 2” or
sometimes “Red House” and “White House.” These continue in operation until
the beginning of 1943. With the deportation of the Hungarian Jews in May
1944, one of these farmhouses (Bunker 2) is reactivated as a homicidal facility.
[473]
The victims of these Bunkers are cremated over wood fires in trenches that are
several meters deep. Melted human fat is retrieved with large ladles and used as
fuel for the fires.
In the summer of 1942 planning begins for four new crematories in Birkenau,
built as two pairs with mirror like symmetry. Two of these have underground
morgues, one of which is used as an undressing room and the other as a gas
chamber. In addition each has an oven room equipped with five triple-muffle
ovens, making a total of 15 muffles (see crematories II and III, Ill. 62f., p. 242).
The other two crematories (no. IV and V474) both have a mortuary above
ground and an oven room with an eight-muffle oven, as well as three smaller
rooms used as “gas chambers.” These crematories go into operation one after
the other between March and June 1943. Crematories IV and V quickly fall out
of operation because of defective construction. Crematory IV is never repaired,
Crematory V very late in the war. The ovens of Crematories II and III remain
in operation, with interruptions, until the end of 1944. In the underground gas
chambers of Crematories II and III, just as in the crematory in the main camp,
Zyklon B is dumped through openings, which were chiseled through the reinforced
concrete roof after construction was completed. The gas chambers of
Crematories IV and V, which are above ground, have small hatches in the walls
through which the pesticide is introduced. The only gas chambers provided
with ventilation are those in Crematories I, II, and III. Thus the poison gas cannot
be forced out of the gas chambers in Crematories IV or V or the two farm
houses. One has to rely solely on the natural ventilation through opened doors
and hatches.
L: I beg your pardon?
R: One moment please. Let me first finish my overview.
Until May 1944, victim selection takes place at the railroad tracks of the main
camp, but after that on the new ramp built at Birkenau.
Those selected for gassing are told that for hygienic reasons they have to
shower and have their clothes deloused. The victims disrobe, partly in special
buildings or rooms and partly in the open. Sometimes they are given soap and
towels. Then they are directed into the gas chambers, some of which are
equipped with phony shower heads in order to trick the victims. After the doors
are sealed, pesticide is thrown into the chamber in quantities sufficient to kill
insects. A few minutes later, everybody is dead. After about a quarter hour the
doors are opened and the so-called Sonderkommandos (prisoner special unit)
begin the task of removing the corpses from the gas chamber. Sometimes they
wear gas masks, sometimes they don’t. They harvest hair from the corpses and
extract gold teeth. Then they drag the corpses to the crematory ovens or incineration
trenches. The ovens are stuffed chock full of bodies, up to eight in a
single muffle. Flames and thick black smoke shoot out of the crematory chimneys
and huge incineration trenches. The entire area is blanketed in smoke and
the hellish stench of burning flesh. At least 10,000 Jews are murdered every
day between May and September 1944. Most of the resulting corpses are
burned in open trenches.

8.2.2. Few practical problems

Quote:L: How many victims are supposed to have been crammed in these alleged gas
chambers at a time?
R: The witnesses do not agree on this. For the underground morgues no. 1 of the
crematories II and III, which had a surface area of roughly 210 m² (2,260 sq ft),
at least 1,000 victims are said to have been executed at a time. Other witnesses
speak of 2,000 or even up to 3,000 victims.
L: That is between ½ and 1½ persons on every square foot. How can you get up to
three people to stand on two square feet? They must have squeezed themselves
together quite extremely?
R: That is quite a logistic problem, indeed. Just imagine the following scene:
1,000 people of both sexes plus children enter the undressing room with a surface
area of 390 m2 (4,200 ft2). Each one would therefore have an area of only
60 cm × 60 cm (2×2 ft) on which to undress. Experience shows that people do
not pack themselves tightly to the very edge of an enclosed area, unless, of
course, they are quite willing to do so, like when they enter a bus and need to
fill it tightly, so that other passengers can still get in.
L: Not even that works most of the times. People simply won’t scoot over to make
room for others unless they are informed of what they need to do and then are
also willing to comply. And that is particularly true if they are told to undress
completely in front of hundreds of strangers of both sexes. That would never
work.
R: Correct. Actually, in order to get people to enter through just one door in a
long, stretched out room and to fill it tightly to the last place, the procedure
must be rehearsed. Once inside the naked people walk over into alleged gas
chamber, the same problem occurs again. Here the victims must press themselves
even more tightly together, since that room was even smaller. The first
people entering the room must proceed to the very end of this 100 ft long room
in a disciplined manner and line up against the wall. The next lot will form the
line directly in front, and so on, until the entire chamber is full. Even if choreographed
perfectly, this would still take at least half an hour.
L: So how did they get these 1,000 naked people to pack themselves tightly together,
touching other completely naked strangers?
R: I do not know, but it would have required the drill and discipline that you can
instill only in soldiers after weeks of excercising, provided they are dressed. I
don’t know if that would still work if you had those soldiers line up naked, particularly
if there are female soldiers present as well.
L: Well, that is ridiculous. After all, under such circumstances, the alleged claim
by the SS that their victims are going to have a shower in that room would con-
vince nobody. How do you take a shower when your neighbors step on your
feet and you can hardly turn around, not to mention bend down to wash yourself?
R: You have revealed this absurdity quite well. So even before going into technical
and documentary details, you can already see that the claims made about
those alleged homicidal gassings are fishy already on pure logistical grounds.
In closing this brief overview of the alleged murder scenarios, it should also be
mentioned that the first report about the alleged murder methods used in
Auschwitz as reported by Boris Polevoy,[475] a Soviet propagandist writing for
the Soviet newspaper Pravda, differed quite distinctly from what was suggested
otherwise:[476]
“Last year, when the Red Army revealed to the world the terrible and
abominable secrets of Majdanek, the Germans in Auschwitz began to wipe
out the traces of their crimes. They leveled the mounds of the so-called ‘old’
graves in the eastern part of the camp, tore up and destroyed the traces of
the electric conveyor belt, on which hundreds of people were simultaneously
electrocuted, their bodies falling onto the slow moving conveyor belt which
carried them to the top of the blast furnace where they fell in, were completely
burned, their bones converted to meal in the rolling mills, and then
sent to the surrounding fields.”
R: The story about the conveyor belt electrocution with subsequent incineration in
blast furnaces was, of course, nothing but Soviet atrocity propaganda with no
foundation in reality. It quickly ended up in the trash bins of history and was
replaced with something more “credible,” which had been claimed since 1942:
gas chambers. Just how credible these gas chamber allegations are will be investigated
in the next chapters.

[470] Danuta Czech et al., Auschwitz, nationalsozialistisches Vernichtungslager, Staatliches Museum
Auschwitz-Birkenau, Auschwitz 1997.
[471] Reports about this alleged undocumented first gassing are extremely contradictory, cf. C. Mattogno,
Auschwitz: The First Gassing, Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago 2005
(http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/atfg).
[472] The muffle is the cremation chamber of a cremation oven, where the corpse is reduced to ashes. Each
oven can have one or several such muffles. There were double-muffle ovens at Auschwitz, and tripleand
eight-muffle ovens at Birkenau.
[473] For lack of space these bunkers cannot be treated in more detail here. Witness statements about them
are very contradictory, but their existence as a building used by the SS can be refuted on the basis of
existing documents: C. Mattogno, The Bunkers of Auschwitz, Theses & Dissertations Press, Chicago
2004 (http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tboa).
[474] For a side view and a floor plan see Ill. 123, pp. 329, taken from my expert report, op. cit. (note 415), p. 135; also J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 251), p. 401.
[475] On Polevoi see Don Heddesheimer, “‘Nothing Has Been Invented:’ The War Journalism of Boris
Polevoy,” JHR, 21(1) (2002), pp. 23-38.
[476] Boris Polevoy, “The Factory of Death at Auschwitz,” Pravda, Febr. 2, 1945
(http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/Pravda020245.html); see R. Faurisson, “Auschwitz, Facts and Legend,”
JHR, 16(4) (1997), pp. 14-19.

(End of quote from the Lectures, p. 207-210)

Soap AND towel?

How many people go under a shower WITH towel? Did anyone of these "hundreds of thousands of victims" ever ask why he was going to shower with a towel? Assuming that 1000-2000 victims went at once under the 'showers', how many soaps and towels were given to them, few hundred? Once the 'gassing' was over - the floor was filled with puke, excrements (and maybe even blood) - would the SS have thrown away the already used soaps and towels, or did they re-use them by cleaning them again? Quite a waste of tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousand of soaps and towels, if they threw them always away...


Pay attention especially to the highligted sentences above. I summarise them in plain language: You cannot get 1000-2000 (1000-3000) naked people of both sexes - men, women, children and elderly - to pack themselves very tightly in a room of 210 m^2. If assuming the number of 2000 at once - which is what the Auschwitz museum nowdays claims (at least in August of 2007) - it would mean that 10 naked people (men, women, children and elderly) cram themselves in 1 m^2. Ten naked people in one square meter?! Even the number of 1000 would be too much: 5 people in 1 m^2. And keep in mind: this is allegedly the way how the "industrial genocide" was done. The big problem is; it would never have worked!

(And of course if one would reduce the number of people at once to 100-200, that WOULD reduce the number of gassed people to about 200,000-300,00. On the other hand if one would want to argue that "oh no there were repeated gassings a day (5-10)", then there would have been a constant presence of Zyklon B in the walls, which would have left huge Zyklon B residues in the walls... More about Zyklon B later. And also 5-10 gassings would have been impossible because the cleaning of the bodies and the room would have taken quite a long time, especially if one would have wanted the room to be clean again for the next group of "fooled people going to 'shower'".)


8.3. Crematorium I Gassings at Main Camp

"[...] a gas chamber and crematorium were constructed by converting a bunker. This gas chamber operated from 1941 to 1942, during which time some 60,000 people were killed therein; it was then converted into an air-raid shelter for the use of the SS."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz#Auschwitz_I

"It is not known how many deaths were caused by this gas chamber, which was used only occasionally and not continuously. The number is probably not more than 10,000."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0132.shtml
(Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, p. 132)


Because there was no source in the wikipedia for the 60,000 figure, and because Auschwitz museum (in 2007) says that "thousands" were killed, the 10,000 figure must be the maximum.


"Unlike Krematorien II, III, IV and V, there are very few German documents concerned with Krematorium I. These do not make it possible to formally establish proof of homicidal gassing in its morgue [...]
As evidence to establish the reality of homicidal gassing there remain only the testimonies of participants"
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0123.shtml
(Auschwitz Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, p. 123)


Ground plan of crematorium I in Auschwitz I/main camp in its original condition. The morgue was later alleged to have been used as a 'gas chamber'.[162]
1: Vestibule; 2: Laying-out room; 3: Wash room; 4: Morgue; 5: Oven room; 6: Coke; 7: Urns
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0153.shtml


Ground plan of crematorium I Auschwitz I Main Camp after conversion to air raid shelter, 1944.[166]
1: Sluice; 2: Operating room; 3: Former washroom, now air raid shelter with toilet; 4: Air raid shelter;
5: Former oven room.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0156.shtml


Ground plan of crematorium I in Auschwitz I/Main Camp today, after subsequent fakery.[168]
1: 'Gas chamber'; 2: Fake Zyklon B introduction holes; 3: Toilet drains; 4: former partition morgue-washroom; 5: Ventilation chimney from air raid shelter; 6: Air raid chute, today referred to as victim entryway; 7: Urns, 8: Coke; 9: Reconstructed ovens; 10: Newly pierced entry to oven room; painted: old entryway; 11: Remains of the old oven; 12: Fake chimney.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0159.shtml


8.4.1. Physical Evidence





Homicidal gas chamber, or simply a morgue made of cement?

http://www.historiography-project.org/misc/doors.html

Auschwitz museum nowdays (in 2007) admits that "It [Krema I) was first a morgue, then converted into a 'gas chamber', the turned into an air-raid shelter (by Germans) and then finally reconstructed as a 'homicidal gas chamber' using the original plans (by Auschwitz museum)". They even admit today that the alleged homicidal gas chamber was once 5 rooms. However they didnt always admit these alterations. Back in 1992 this room was presented as an original 'gas chamber', as you can see in David Cole's video.

The problems with ther reconstruction: the big chimney is not attached to the building, there is a WOODEN DOOR WITH A GLASS WINDOW as a door in the 'gas chamber' and the holes in the roof (added after the war) cannot be sealed. The obvious conclusion which one inevitably comes to is that the Krema I in its' present state is no proof of homicidal gassings.

However, in its' present state it actually proves, despite of the alterations, that there never were any holes in the roof during the war. The roof is the original roof (it has not been thrown away and added a new one to replace it), the holes are not original. According to Auschwitz museum they added new holes in new places after the war and claimed that the 'original holes' were sealed. The alleged original holes cannot be sealed that well that there would not be any signs of them left. There are no signs of the original holes, which means they never were there during the war. No Holes...
(This is more thoroughly explained in: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.3. )


8.4.2. Eyewitnesses

Carlo Mattogno, Italian historian, has shown in his book Auschwitz - Crematorium I (2005), that the eyewitness testimonies concerning the alleged gassings are very contradictory. And besides, as was alread shown in 5) The Value of the Eyewitness Testimonies Concerning the National Socialist Atrocities, the eyewitnesses cannot be taken as direct evidence about anything.


8.4.3. The location

http://vho.org/D/rga2/Image290.gif
Block 1-28: inmate barracks
a: commandant's house
b: main guard station
c: camp commandant's office (block leader room)
d: administration building
e: SS hospital
f,g: political division
h: crematorium I with gas chamber
i: guard station near camp entrance gate
j: camp kitchen
k: inmate registration building
l: camp warehouse, theatre building
m: new laundry
(Map of Auschwitz I/Main Camp (concentration camp), according to the information brochure of the Auschwitz State Museum in 1991. Still in 2007 the map is about the same.)

There is the SS hospital 5 meters away from 'the gas chamber'!

http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/images/760px...torium.jpg
(That big gray building right behind the Krema I is the SS hospital.)

According to official holocaust historiography, this Krema I was an "experimental gas chamber". That means that they were not sure how well it would have worked when they started gassing people, so the gas leaks would have been very possible. In addition there were the political division only 15 meters away from the Krema I and the house of the commendant Rudolf Höss was about 50 meters away. The guard house was also about 5 meters away. If gas had leaked from this "experimental gas chamberg" then the people in the SS hospital would have been killed, maybe even people in the political dividion would have died.

Question: Would you build an experimental gas chamber, where about 500 people were killed at one, right next to a hospital and the leaders' offices?

The location of the alleged 'gas chamber' makes it, in my opinion, impossible that anyone was ever gassed in there.

And furthermore, according to Jean-Claude Pressac, there is no documentary evidence about gassings. So there is no evidence about gassings in the main camp.



Thousands of people died of diesease and many where shot or hanged.
Nobody was ever gassed in the the Auschwitz main camp.

[Konev]

8.5. Gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau Camp

Quote:Crematoria II/III:
Entry of 800 to 1,200 victims into western entrance stairway into crematorium II; undressing in undressing cellar; travel through stairwell into morgue 1 ('gas chamber'); introduction of Zyklon B through pillars with utilization of gas masks; turning on ventilators after death of victims (approximately five min.); opening of doors after approximately 20 minutes; hosing down of corpses, soiled with blood, vomit, and excrement; removal of bodies without utilization of gas masks; cutting of hair and removal of gold teeth while bodies are still in cellar; transport with lift (payload 1.5 tons) to ground floor; there, transport through water-filled channels to ovens; cremation.[302] Approximately 400,000 victims for crematorium II, 350,000 for crematorium III according to Pressac.[463]

Crematorium IV/V:
Undressing of a few hundred victims in open air (again: what a spectacle for all other inmates!), otherwise in morgue, some of them next to corpses of last gassing victims awaiting cremation; entry into 'gas chambers' past coal room and doctor's office; evacuation of the entire building; introduction of Zyklon B through hatches from a ladder after closure of door(s); opening of doors after 15 to 20 minutes; removal of corpses to morgue or to cremation ditches behind crematorium V by the Sonderkommando, some of them wearing gas masks, some not. According to Pressac, the number of victims can only be estimated with difficulty, probably approximately 100,000.[464] A similar scenario applies to farmhouses I and II (see chapter 5.4.3.).

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/7.html#7.3.1.2.

Crematoriums II and III were built as mirror images of each other.


8.5.1. 'Farmhouse gas chambers'

Quote:5.4.3. Farmhouses 1 and 2

According to eyewitness accounts, there are supposed to have been two farmhouses (sometimes referred to as bunkers 1 and 2), located west-north west of the Birkenau camp, which were converted into homicidal 'gas chambers'. Their location and construction are not, however, exactly described. Pressac mentions contradictory eyewitness reports in this regard.[294] Relating to the testimony of P. Broad, for example, he writes.: "[...] not exploitable [...], since it has been rewritten by and for the Poles [...]", and: "It is impossible to make a synthesis of all these accounts". Höß's report relating to the characteristics and location of these buildings is only superficial.[295] According to remarks in the judgment to the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial,[296] the homicidal mass gassings are supposed to have taken place in a manner similar to those in the chambers of crematoria IV and V, described above. This procedure is clarified by the testimony of Richard Böck,[297] and, to a certain extent, by Milton Buki,[298] Rudolf Höß, Szlama Dragon, Maurice Benroubi, Moshe Maurice Garbarz, Johann Paul Kremer (at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial), and André Lettich.[299]

Pressac has published a photograph of what are alleged to be the remains of the foundation walls of farmhouse 2.[300] According to analyses of Allied air photographs, there was only temporarily a building in the vicinity of the location ascribed to farmhouse 2; there is no trace of farmhouse 1.[252],[301] The extermination of the Hungarian Jews is supposed to have been underway when the air photos were taken, with many thousands of victims per day and strongly smoking cremations in large open ditches precisely in the area analyzed.[302] There is no trace of large cremation ditches, large fires giving off copious smoke, or large stockpiles of fuel. Only on air photos made during the winter of 1944/1945, a few mass graves can be seen west of crematorium III-probably for the victims of the chaotic circumstances in the camp after the Germans started to shut down and dismantle the equipment in fall of 1944 during their withdrawal.[303]

Recently discovered documents prove that one of these farmhouses actually existed-and was used for disinfestation. The SS, in particular, was prohibited from carrying on the disinfestation of personal effects with Zyklon B inside the camp whenever there was a safety risk. The conversion of a farmhouse, which was located outside the camp, and whose utilization as provisional HCN disinfestation installations would not have involved any safety risk for the camp itself, could have resulted from this difficult situation. Several documents are now available which refer to an "existing building" outside of construction section B III, in which a bath installation and sauna were to be installed.[304]

In late 2001, several European newspapers reported that an Italian scholar had discovered the 'bunker 1' in Birkenau.[305] As C. Mattogno has shown, however, this is nothing but a hoax. The farmhouse allegedly identified as the old bunker is at a totally different location than the alleged bunker 1 supposedly was, and it was never anything else but a farmhouse.[306]

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.3.
My conclusion: No Farmhouse Gas Chambers.


8.5.2. Crematoria IV and V

Quote:"[...] the least known of the instruments of extermination [...] a comparison of such testimonies reveals inconsistencies."
"There were plans for mechanical ventilation of the Zyklon B, but these were not put into effect. Evacuation of the gas was instead achieved by convection, that is, by merely opening the doors."

In his new book, Pressac leaves these arguments unchanged.[284]
[...]
Even these ruins can still speak to us, even if, in this case, only the concrete foundations are authentic, since everything else is probably not authentic. Another technical precondition for the use of the rooms alleged to have been homicidal 'gas chambers' would be that it would have to have been rendered impossible for the victims on the inside to get anywhere near the introduction hatches, since otherwise they could have simply pushed the SS man off the ladder while he was throwing the Zyklon B into the chamber; they could then have attempted to escape. A U-shaped, solid steel grid construction anchored in the floor and in the masonry of the walls with steel hoop anchors spread out into dovetails would have been necessary to keep the victims on the inside at arm's length from the hatches. The concrete floors of these rooms surviving today, however, make it clear that nothing of the sort was ever anchored in the floor.

Conclusion: Not enough proof.


8.5.3. Crematoria II and III


(Green: Morgue 1, the alleged 'undressing room'; Purple: Morgue 2, the alleged 'gas chamber'.)

As was already discussed, it would have been impossible to cram 1000-3000 naked people (of both sexes, children, adults and elderly) in a room of 210 m^2. It would have meant that 5-14 people were crammed in one square meter. So the numbers of people gassed at once are obviously exaggerated. But lets see could there have been gassings of smaller number of people, few hundred at a time.


8.5.3.1. Holes In the Roofs?

Allegedly there were four 'chimney holes' in the roofs of Crema II and III 'gas chambers'. From these holes the gas, Zyklon B, was thrown into the rooms onto the victims. Some eyewitnesses, such as Michael Kula, claimed that there were also so-called 'wire-mesh devices' into which the Zyklon B granules were thrown in and as soon as the victims were killed in 15 minutes the granules were moved out, making the gassing and ventilation faster (otherwise Zyklon B would have kept evaporating for 3-4 hours inside under the bodies). In order that all this would have been possible, there would have to some proof of these 'chimney holes' and 'wire-mesh devices'.


8.5.3.1.1. Photographs on the Ground
The following photos are of Crematorium II and they show the roof of the alleged 'gas chamber'.

Between 20th and 22nd January 1943:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0335.shtml
No Holes...

Between 9th and 11th February 1943:


http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0340.shtml
Holes?

Summer 1943:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...essac0341.shtml
No Holes.


The most definitive is the Summer 1943 photo, because it is the latest. The objects in February photo could be some boxes which were temorarily put on the roof.

No holes in the photos from the ground.

[Konev]

8.5.3.2. Aerial Photographs
http://www.air-photo.com/english/ra/augpic.html


According to expert opinions of aerial photograph interpretors John Clive Ball and Kenneth Roy Wilson, there were no holes in the roofs of the Crema II and III. Wilson testified as an expert witness at the Zundel trial. Lets hear Wilson's analysis of the following photos:
(http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/32wilson.html)

Aerial Photograph No. 3055 (May 31, 1944):



This photograph showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau. Wilson determined that the patches on top of the Leichenkeller at Krema II were flat and had no elevation. (32 8927, 8928) Wilson could not say what the patches were but believed they were discolorations on the surface of the roof. Wilson doubted whether the photograph could be tampered with without it showing up on the 12 times enlargements which he studied. (32-8936)


(Map of the same photo made by aerial photograph interpreter John C. Ball.)


Aerial Photograph No. 3185 (August 25, 1944):



This photograph showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau and was taken at a scale of 1:10,000. (32-8938) Wilson studied black marks which were visible to the naked eye on the Leichenkellers of both Kremas. He determined that the patches were not shadows but did not have any elevation. He could not identify what the patches were or what caused them. (32-8929, 8930)

Wilson found nothing higher than a metre on the roofs of the Leichenkellers of either Krema II or Krema III. His accuracy, which he considered reasonable, was down to the metre level. The crematorium itself had a roof higher than the ground around it and the chimney was quite high. (32-8931) Wilson could not say what the elevations of the chimneys were. Some of the elevations he obtained were reasonable based on some of the crematories he had seen; some were quite a way out based on stereo geometry. (32-8941-e)

He agreed with Crown counsel that the reference report of the Cartographic Branch of the National Archives rated the image quality of the photograph as "good." (32 8941)


(Map of the same photo made by Ball.)


Aerial Photograph No. 6V2 (September 13, 1944):



This photograph also showed Kremas II and III at Birkenau and was taken at a scale of 1:12,000. (32-8939) Wilson could not see stereo with this photograph as it had no stereo mate. He could not detect on the roof of Leichenkeller I of Krema II any of the patches he had seen on the other photographs. He could see only slightly a patch close to the crematorium. On the roof of the Leichenkeller of Krema III, however, he could see a similar pattern of patches as he had seen in the other photographs. On neither roof was there any elevation above one metre. The marks were not shadows. Wilson believed the marks were just patches with no elevation. (32-8931, 8932)

Crown counsel showed Wilson a reference report from the Cartographic Branch of the National Archives which stated with respect to 6V2: "Image quality average. Smoky or hazy appearance because of bombing activity." Wilson agreed haze and smoke would affect image quality if it covered the imagery he was interested in. However, he believed he had good imagery of what he was specifically looking at in this photograph. (32-8940)
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/32wilson.html


(Map of the same photo made by Ball.)


Ball's analysis:

August 25, 1944:

Quote:If the Zyklon B introduction stacks really possessed the dimensions of 70 cm (21/3 ft) on each side as described by the eyewitnesses, this cannot be reconciled with the spots on the air photo, which are approximately 2 to 3 m2 in area (20-23 ft2). It must be noted that the chimneys of the inmate barracks as well as the large crematorium chimneys are rich in contrast, symmetrical, and straight. The spots on morgue 1 of both crematoria, by contrast, form an angle of approximately 75-80° (crematorium III) or 80-90° (crematorium II, irregular) to the arrangement of the main wing of crematorium II (see schematic drawing Fig. 41). If these spots were objects of any kind, they would have to exhibit the same alignment as the shadows of the crematorium chimney of crematorium II, the chimney of an inmate barracks, and other sharply conspicuous parts of the picture. The actual shadows, in contrast to the spots above, form a 45° angle to the main direction of crematoria II and III.

We know that the crematorium chimney of crematorium II was 15 m high.[180] It throws a shadow on the picture which is five times as long as the spots on the roof of morgue 1 ('gas chamber') of crematorium III (length of shadow of chimney: 20 m, that is, the angle of the sun was approximately 37°, length of the spots on morgue 1 ('gas chamber') of crematorium III: approximately 4 m). This means simply that the alleged Zyklon B introduction stack must have projected 3 m above the roof of morgue 1 ('gas chambers') of crematorium III in order to cast such long shadows, which may be ruled out as impossible.

Absence of spatial height, irregular shape, incorrect size (length and width), and wrong, irregular direction of the spots therefore prove definitively that these spots are not the shadows of any objects, nor can they be the legendary Zyklon B introduction stacks. The irregular, vague nature of these spots, as well as the fact that they are missing on at least one air photo,[251] gives rise to the conclusion that they are the retouching of a forger, added at a later time. An expert study prepared in late 1992 by John Clive Ball, a professional air photo interpreter in Canada, has since proven that the air photos were faked while they were in the possession of the CIA- surprise, surprise![252]

[180] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), pp. 319-329. Plans for crematoria II and III.
[251] J. Ball, op. cit. (note 43), p. 48, morgue 1 of crematorium II, photograph dated 13 September 1944, RG 373 Can B 8413, exp. 6V2.
[252] The manipulations on this picture are overly plentiful, such as, for example, an interpolated drawing of a group of inmates allegedly marching over the roof of a barracks! See also J.C. Ball, ibid., p. 42; Ball, "Air Photo Evidence" in: Ernst Gauss (ed.), op. cit. (note 22), pp. 271-284 (online: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html). On the alleged original photographs, it may furthermore be seen that the spots on morgues 1 of both crematoria (II + III) are pointing in different directions; ibid. private communication by J.C. Ball.

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.

No Holes in the aerial photographs.


Open-air incinerations and the smoke clouds

Quote:If Czech's statements regarding the opening of mass graves in September 1942 are correct, it seems quite plausible that from this time on until the new crematoria were put into operation in spring/summer 1943, there were indeed open-air funeral-pyre cremations of old, partially decomposed corpses. This work, which was likely performed by inmates, might represent the factual basis of greatly exaggerated and highly embellished eyewitness statements about perpetual, gigantic mass cremations on pyres and in deep pits. These witness statements generally place the open-air cremations in pits located behind crematorium V and west of the camp on a meadow near Bunker II,[31] a former farmhouse allegedly renovated to serve as gas chamber. In the process, it is claimed, the great quantities of smoke emanating from the burning sites swathed the camp in dark clouds.[32] Particularly from May to August 1944, during the time of the alleged destruction of the Hungarian Jews and the Jews from the Lodz ghetto, fires are said to have been burning in the fire pits day and night.[33] But the air photo of May 31, 1944, is the only one to show even relatively small drifts of smoke rising behind crematorium V.[34] Nothing even remotely similar is to be found at any other place, nor on any other photo. There are no considerable quantities of smoke issuing from the chimneys, none in the vicinity of Bunker II, none anywhere else. The photo from September 13, 1944, is the only one to show any large smoke clouds at all, and these have drifted in from the surrounding industrial establishments which the Allies had just bombed. Establishment Professor G. Jagschitz's theory, proposing that perhaps the Allies had used filters that resolved the smoke on the photos,[35] is not even close. Smoke cannot be resolved by optical filters; at best, one could use film that is sensitive to a specific range of the electromagnetic spectrum which the smoke does not absorb. This, however, would have required a homogeneous and known composition of the smoke, as well as highly advanced technology at the Allies' disposal at the time. Neither factor is given. The Allied air photos were taken with perfectly normal, simple black-and-white film. If there are no smoke clouds visible on the photos, then there were no incinerations to cause them. Further, in light of the absence of any pits, pyres, fuel depots and heaps of corpses it is downright irrelevant whether the smoke might have been visible or invisible, since there was nothing that could have caused it in the first place. Filters to render fuel depots, burning pits, heaps of corpses etc. invisible have yet to be invented, even today.

[31] It is claimed that there was another farm house (Bunker I), but its exact location is unknown. It is not visible on any air photos, and so it will not enter into this discussion. It is alleged to have been located at the place where the aforementioned traces of possible mass graves are detected.
[32] Aside from E. Jäckel et.al. and E. Kogon et.al., op. cit. (note 11), cf. also D. Czech, op. cit. (note 27), passim.
[33] Cf. J. S. Conway, "Der Holocaust in Ungarn. Neue Kontroversen und Überlegungen", Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 32 (1984) pp. 179-212; J. Wulf, "Lodz. Das letzte Ghetto auf polnischem Boden", Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte 10(42) (1960) pp. 675-694; cf. also F. Piper, Die Zahl der Opfer von Auschwitz, Verlag Staatliches Museum Oswiecim, Auschwitz 1993, pp. 52, 69, 119ff.
[34] May 31, 1944, op. cit. (note 22).
[35] Transcript of the report of Prof. G. Jagschitz, 3rd-5th day of the trial of G. Honsik, April 29 and 30, May 4, 1992, Ref. 20e Vr 14184 and Hv 5720/90, District Court Vienna, p. 478 of the transcript.

http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html



Air photos of 1944 do not show any evidence about mass exterminations in Auschwitz.

[Guest]

Thanks Kon3v for the info thus far. This truly is a great compendium of holohoax information, so I think the topic deserves to be pinned.

Nice contribution.


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[Konev]

8.5.3.1.3. The Ruins of the Crematorium II
Again this information is from The Rudolf Report (by PhD chemist Germar Rudolf) and it has been explained there much more thoroughly and more convincingly. I recommend you read there at least this part: http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8. (unless you already have) But anyway, I'll try to put this in short, on laymans terms.


The ruins of Crematorium 3 are in too bad condition, so we cannot do any important research there. But the ruins of Crematorium 2 are in relatively good and in original condition, so there the investigation is possible, even today. The roof of the crematorium 2 'gas chamber' collapsed like a blanket, and it is on many places quite intact. So there should be at least one or two original chimney holes or at least holes to be found, even today. According to Auschwitz tour guide in 2007 ALL the four holes would be found on the ruins of Krema II* (this is what he answered me when I asked this).
(Krema = Crematorium.)


Ruins of the morgue 1 (alleged 'gas chamber') of Crematorium 2.

There should be found holes that would look something like these ventilation holes at the roof of Krema III oven room:







These are properly constructed ventilation holes in the ceiling of the oven room to the upper story, crematorium III; condition: December 1991. Note the cracks caused by the explosion.
http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.

Assuming that possible cracks (when the roof collapsed) caused the holes look somewhat disfigured, in the real original holes there should be found remnants of the so-called wire-mesh devices. And in the original holes there cannot be any reinforcement rods sticking out because it would definetely mean that they were crudely smashed after the roof had collapsed. In addition, according to rules of construction technology, if the alleged introduction holes were added before the roof had collapsed, then all the cracks caused by the explosion, should go through the alleged holes.

There are 2 recognisable holes at the roof, alleged Zyklon B introduction holes:


(Photo taken in 1990.)


(Photo taken in 1990.)


(Photo taken in 2000.)

These holes are all crudely smashed after the war by Poles or by the Soviets when they took the camp over. The disfigurations and the reinforcement rods prove this.

Wire-mesh devices


Notice, this is a made-up drawing decades after the war. Even I could have made a better one.

Quote:If the Zyklon B introduction holes described by eyewitnesses really existed, with the wire mesh columns installed inside them, then what else is to be expected?

1. According to eyewitness Henryk Tauber, the victims would have demolished all the equipment in this room:[256]
"The people going to be gassed and those in the gas chamber damaged the electrical installations, tearing the cables out and damaging the ventilation equipment."

2. Several hundred people, locked into a cellar with a very small surface area, anticipating death, would panic and attempt to escape, damaging everything that stood in their way. So what would the victims locked into the cellar have done to the wire mesh columns described by the eyewitnesses? If these columns actually existed, their outer framework would have to have been of solid steel, but certainly not of fragile wire mesh construction.

3. These columns would, in addition, have had to have been solidly anchored in the concrete ceiling, the floor, and the concrete pillars. But since solid anchoring dowels did not yet exist at that time, hoop irons would have been cast into the concrete during the construction of the cellar, spread out to a 'dovetail' inside the concrete.[257] If carried out after completion of the building, holes would have been chiseled into the concrete, and the hoop irons would have been cast in cement filling these holes, see Fig. 47. In both cases, a removal of such cast-in hoop irons would have been impossible. All one could do is cut them off with a saw or a welding torch.[258] Hence, if any introduction device was ever installed in these morgues, traces of such hoop irons must still be present.

4. Furthermore, the steel reinforcement rods in the reinforced concrete would have to run wreath-like around the hole, and would be capable of verification by means of induction devices, even today.
[...]
[256] Ibid., pp. 483f.; Pelt Report, op. cit. (note 66), p. 106.
[257] I am grateful to Carl Hermann Christmann, a certified building engineer, for this information.
[258] I am grateful to R. Faßbender, a certified building engineer, for this information, who also provided the drawings.

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8. As you can see The Rudolf Report is made with the help of numerous experts on all fields, and I would dare say that it is irrefutable (I will explain this in more detail later).

Figure 47, of the hoop irons with dovetails:



Of course there are no wire-mesh devices left in the ruins today (surprise surprise...). And if we assume that
the Germans AGAIN removed the evidence, by cutting the devices with saw or torch, there would have to be remnants of such hoop irons in the holes (not reinforcement rods). The fact is that there are no such remnants left.

More photos of the Krema II ruins here: http://www.mazal.org/Auschwitz%20jpg/Ausch...Text%20Page.htm


Alleged documentary evidence about wire-mesh devices

Kula's and Tauber's depositions describing the "wire-mesh insertion devices," decades before the corroborating documentary evidence was discovered in the archives, cannot be explained away. Houstek/Erber's description of the same devices, also before that evidence was discovered, is also a powerful corroboration.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...o-columns/

Near the top right, we see that there are two inventory items which have been written in by hand. They are a little difficult to make out, especially in this reproduction, but they read "Drahtnetzeinschiebvorrichtung" and "Holzblenden." The numeral 4 is written in each category. In this closeup, the text has been rotated ninety degrees:
[...]
The wire mesh existed primarily to make cleanup faster and safer. If the small pellets had simply fallen onto the floor, they might continue to give off dangerous gas even after everyone had died. But since they were poured into a wire "core" which could be lifted out of the gas chamber and onto the roof after the killing operation was complete, they would pose no danger to anyone inside. Removal of corpses could begin much sooner, thus making the entire killing process more efficient.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...0331-inventory/


Now lets look at this "documentary evidence" more carefully:

Quote:Finally, I want to focus on those legendary "Zyklon B introduction columns" for which Michal Kula is the most frequently quoted 'eye witness'. He gives a detailed description of these columns which he claimed he had built.[269] J.-C. Pressac[270] (see Fig. 54) and Prof. van Pelt[271] have prepared drawings of these columns based on Kula's description. Firstly, there neither exists material nor documentary evidence that these columns existed.[268] All we actually have in this regard is a handwritten entry in an inventory list for crematorium II,[195] of which some people claim it means "4 Drahtnetzeinschubvorrichtungen", which, literally translated means something like 'wire mesh push-in device'. I have reproduced this handwritten entry in Fig. 55. The following points deserve to be taken notice of:

-this entry is basically illegible and could also mean something else;
-it is unknown, by whom and when this handwritten entry was made;
-this entry is made for morgue no. 2, the alleged undressing cellar, not(!) for morgue 1, the alleged 'gas chamber';
-if Kula's introduction columns would be included in this inventory list, they would appear with an appropriate name describing the whole thing, not just a 'push-in device,' which could only be the inner part of Kula's device;
-in German, schub describes horizontal (pushing) movements,[272] whereas for vertically lowering an object, the word laß is used, i.e., Einlaßvorrichtung instead of Einschubvorrichtung.

Whatever this handwritten entry really refers to, one thing is clear: it does not support Kula's claim of the existence of complex Zyklon B introduction devices(!) in morgue 1(!) of the crematoria II and III.

Furthermore, M. Kula's credibility as a witness must be considered very low, since he claims for example that he saw how corpses of gassing victims were carried away:
"I saw then that they [the corpses] were greenish. The nurses told me that the corpses were cracked, and the skin came off."

As will be shown in chapter 7., victims of Zyklon B gassings aren't greenish (they are pinkish-reddish), and there is no reason for the corpses to crack and for their skin to come off. This is nothing but atrocity propaganda.

[195] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 430
[269] Höß trial, vol. 2, pp. 99-100.
[270] J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 67), p. 487; on p. 287, Pressac shows a rather primitive drawing with French inscriptions, probably prepared by a former French inmate on request of the Soviet investigation commission right after the war.
[271] R. van Pelt, op. cit. (note 69), pp. 194, 208; caveat emptor: Though van Pelt's translation of Kula's testimony is erroneous, and though the data supplied in Kula's testimony is rather meager, van Pelt uses it to make five different, very detailed drawings-some of it necessarily based on van Pelt's fantasy, and the rest based on Kula's fantasy.
[272] E.g., a cabinet's drawer is a Schublade.

http://www.germarrudolf.com/work/trr/5.html#5.4.1.2.8.
So much for the "documentary evidence"!


Other Expert Opinions From 'Exterminationists':

holocaust-history.org:
"The room labeled as a morgue, the Leichenkeller, was actually the homicidal gassing chamber in this Krematorium building. We know from numerous sources - aerial photographs, examination of the ruins of the building as they stand today, and the testimony both of the Jewish witnesses and of the perpetrators - that there were holes in the roof, four in number, where the poison Zyklon-B was inserted."
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...0331-inventory/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...o-columns/

'Pro-holocaust' engineer:
[...]An engineer named Barford; his colleagues are assisting in the conservation and restoration of the camp for the Auschwitz Museum administration. He informed David Irving that, during his trial, investigations were made in complete secrecy at Auschwitz with regards to the mystery of the holes, and then remarked:
"[W]hat happened to their [the Auschwitz Museum's] tests on the roof of Crema II mentioned in the attachment. Did they find the Zyklon B holes or not? Did they report those results to Lipstadt's lawyers, and when! [...]
As you can guess, despite my belief that you and the Revisionists are wrong, and despite spending half an hour examining the collapsed roof of the underground gas chamber of crematorium II from different angles, I found no evidence of the four holes that the eye-witnesses say were there [...].
Secondly several areas of the slabs are covered in small rubble from an outer layer of concrete which was fractured by the blast. Now I would have expected these fragments to have fallen through the holes, if they were there, into the void beneath. [...]
I remain puzzled by the lack of physical evidence for these holes."

Dutch Jewish cultural historian' opinion (who claims also to be professor of architecture, I dont know):
Prof. van Pelt remarked accurately in this regard:[264]
"Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys [on the roof of morgue 1, crematorium II] cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. Yet does this mean they were never there?"

[264] Pelt Report, op. cit. (note 66), p. 295.

Yes, it indeed does meant it, because if the alleged holes had been filled with cement later, there should be signs of it in the roof. There isnt any.

An expert opinion of a construction professional, the court appointed expert and accredited engineer Walter Lüftl in 1991:
“If one or more openings had been made in this concrete roof after construction
was complete, the roof would have been weakened and the structure of reinforcement
bars interrupted. If the cellar had subsequently been dynamited, the resulting breaks
and cracks in the roof would all have run through the opening or openings. The
reason is that, since an explosion is a tremendous application of force, formation
of cracks always begins at the weakest points, since the tension peaks
reach extremely high values in areas where angles begin. This is particularly
true of holes which had been made after original construction was
completed. Such holes represent the points in the slab that are most likely to
give way.
In the cellars of Crematories II and III, the entire force of explosion was
forced upward, causing heavy damage to the roofs. The hole under consideration
is characterized by the fact that all the cracks and breaks of the slab
are found around it, but do not go through it! According to the rules of construction
technology this fact alone proves with scientific certainty that it
was made after the roof had been destroyed.”

The Conclusion:
I will now repeat my conclusion based on the previously presented facts and photos and my visit to Auschwitz. The holes in the ruins of the morgue 1 ("gas chamber") are all added by the Soviets or by the Poles after the war. I spent several hours looking at the ruins of morgue 1. I looked at the holes closely, and I tried to find clean holes and some remnants or traces of the hoop irons. I found none. The only holes visible in the ruins are all disfigured and full of reinforcement rods, there are no original holes. (This is also supported by other experts, which I cited earlier.)

The alleged homicidal 'gas chambers' are therefore refuted upon the grounds of building engineering. Or, in dr. Robert Faurisson's words:

"No Holes, No 'Holocaust'"


I want to emphasize the significance of this sentence above. Most people who look at these things are not chemists, historians nor cremation experts. This means that for most people, it might be a little hard to understand these technical arguments (which will be presented soon). So whenever someone presents some chemical arguments on some mainstream forum, he gets counter-chemical arguments, which might be somewhat hard to refute, and the audience remains unconvinced. The importance of this argument (No Holes...) is that it is easy to understand, even a layman can comprehend this. NO HOLES, NO GAS (no chemical arguments necessary) and NO HOLOCAUST. By this argument (substantiated previously) we have just REFUTED these whimperings:
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...o-columns/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwi...stry/blue/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz...ot-the-science/
http://www.holocaust-history.org/irving-david/rudolf/
All these rambling essays are based on the BELIEF that there were holes and introduction columns. These are BELIEF AND FANTASY. The Rudolf Report is also based on these facts, but Rudolf (the author) chose to include the chemical arguments there also.

If holocaust-history.org chooses to BELIEVE eyewitness Michael Kula, they might as well believe all these other eyewitnesses.
6. Examples of Absurd Claims Regarding the Alleged National Socialist Genocide[355]
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html
Eyewitnesses among eyewitnesses. There is no real evidence to support any of these fantasies, so if you choose to believe one, why not all the rest too? And besides, I already previously documented the complete unreliability of the eyewitnesses: 5) The Value of the Eyewitnesses Testimonies Concerning...
But I still repeat the unreliability of Kula's testimony (the witness for the alleged Zyklon B columns):
"I saw then that they [the corpses] were greenish. The nurses told me that the corpses were cracked, and the skin came off."
Impossible. He didnt see this. He is not to be taken seriously, without documentary evidence (which there is not).

ALL THE ALLEGED GASSINGS ARE BASED ON EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. IF THERE WERE NO HOLES (as the material evidence proves), THEN ALL OF THE EYEWITNESS TESTIMONIES HAVE TO BE DECLARED FALSE AND THEREFORE THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF THE GASSING CLAIMS IS GONE. (Speculation of other possible ways to introduce gas into room are baseless speculation because there are no evidence to prove it.) THERE WERE NO GASSINGS AND CONSEQUENTLY ALL THE CHEMICAL ARGUMENTS AND DEBATES ARE UNNECESSARY.


But anyway, next we shall have these technical, chemical and other arguments, plus forensic investigations and expert opinions in more detail. They have a supportive role concerning these observations here (and earlier).

[Konev]

Quote:Thanks Kon3v for the info thus far. This truly is a great compendium of holohoax information, so I think the topic deserves to be pinned.

Nice contribution.


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No problem. Good that people find this interesting.

[Konev]

Oh by the way, this was the AMAZING "documentary evidence" for the 'wire-mesh devices' aka 'Zyklon B introduction column'.
Isnt it quite clear what it says? How could anyone doubt this "documentary evidence"?

But I can. It really says:
"Hitler-is-gonna-kill-all-of-the
Jewboys"


This is the drawing of the 'wire-mesh Zyklon B introduction column':

How "irrefutable", isnt it? A drawing decades after the war...


Oh wait, we actually have existing documentary evidence about the Zyklon B columns! Look:

PhD chemist Germar Rudolf (author of The Rudolf Report) is on the photo. Looks like he is having fun.


http://vho.org/tr/2004/1/Countess56-61.html

But oh... It's made by those evil and horrible "deniers". Oh no, then we cannot use that as evidence. Damn!


I bet that someday this column is used as documentary evidence by 'holocaust experts'. They will secretly steal it and stuff it into the ruins of Krema 2 and then they say "We're gonna do some investigations" and then they declare: "See, we found the columns! So there really were 'wire-mesh Zyklon B introduction devices', so 6 million died! Put the deniers to prison! Case closed." Lets just wait and see...

[Ognir]

Yep good call Ctrl, and good work Kon3v

All we need is some people that believe in the hoax to come on Radio ConCen

[Konev]

The absence of original holes is also shown on video Judea Declares War On Germany (2004):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...h&plindex=7
In this video we will also see the absurdities of reconstructed Krema 1, and the surprises in Auschwitz camp (which will be discussed later).
I wouldnt recommend the Judea as the first video to be presented to a holocaust believer, because, in my opinion, it might seem to be too 'Hitler apologist' to a beginner. Just show the David Cole video.

[Konev]

Quote:Yep good call Ctrl, and good work Kon3v

All we need is some people that believe in the hoax to come on Radio ConCen

Yep. :wink:

I will later present their arguments, rhetoric and criticisms, so that you know what to expect - if one of those 'believers' would come on to debate. (Unless of course you already know these.) I'm talking about those "Jews" who know these so-called 'counter arguments' to revisionist 'blockbuster claims'*.
(* For example: Zyklon B is HIGHLY explosive, 4 million reduction, World Almanac 15 million etc. The information which I have here presented is NOT this kind of refutable information. But more concerning this later.)