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rockclimber · 09-01-2007, 02:08 AM

Quote:Why is it that the people in the "its all the Zionists" factions want so badly to end any debate, discussion or skepticism on the issue?

How would all of us chanting in unison "Its all the Zionists" amount to this idea of "moving forward" or "making progress" exactly?
How does that actually help wake people up, especially people who haven't looked into such things at all?

In contemporary media, the only people you see talking smack about Zionists and Jew Bankers are neo-nazis and "islamofacists", and the mind control surrounding that issue is immense.

Do you not realize your so called "solution" of pointing a finger and trying to pin it all on one group, aside from being essentially misguided, activates programming triggers in the mind of most of the people we really need to reach in the first place? Shutting down their thought processes and relegating us to the label of "anti-semite" or "jew-hater" if you would prefer.

I know better, but I can still see why some people get that impression from posters on this site. Espeically when the "Jewishness" of the International Banksters is constantly used as supporting evidence.
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Bro, the Ogster has invited you to do some radio with him so when are you going to do it? I really don't get this whole thing where people despise others for bringing zionists into the fold anyway. Most of us if not all agree that their are other factions involved, but I am just repeating myself.

Please present an outline of how you think it's all going down and let's see if we can build off of it. There is no denying that the zionists have a HEAVY hand in it all though. We cannot deny their ability to infiltrate.

People say the Vatican/Jesuits, well to be honest (and I have been allll along) I just don't see it, and here is the honest part: I haven't spent much time researching them. Do they control the banks, and if so, how and who? Do they control the media, and if so how and who? Do they control the US government? Did they help create wars? From the top of the international bankers down there is no denying a Zionist role in shaping events. Did the Jesuits invent communism? If so how...and who? Their is a ton of info/evidence to prove zionist complicity, so am I just supposed to take people at their word?

Throw me a bone here, anything, lay it all out for us.

Also, is there something more to this? Why all the sensitivity to this exposure? Some say we are becoming a faction, I'm just going where the evidence leads me. I have seen the Bush connection, the Cheney connection, I have a good idea about how the elite work together, such as the Bilderberger group. But don't you think for a moment that even when we are all out of the way that these groups will still be fighting amongst each other? They're all diseased, they are sick in the head and it's the only thing they know. More control, more power. Often in the name of their own religion. Zionism is an international force, and yes Catholicism is too. So one or more groups could all be 'bucking for supremancy correct? If ANY of you have info that overwhelms what we have presented, by all means present it!

deathstickboy · (This post was last modified: 09-01-2007 03:06 AM by deathstickboy.)

Quote:Bro, the Ogster has invited you to do some radio with him so when are you going to do it?

I'm buying a headset tomorrow. So very soon. This weekend hopefully. :biggrin:

Quote:I really don't get this whole thing where people despise others for bringing zionists into the fold anyway. Most of us if not all agree that their are other factions involved, but I am just repeating myself.

I don't really get this thing where people are despising anyone else for "bringing zionists into the fold" in terms of discussion.
That isnt the issue here. The issue is that some people seem to have set out to establish an orthodoxy here at Con Cen, and other people are bothered by the behavior of some who are in agreement with them.

Quote:Please present an outline of how you think it's all going down and let's see if we can build off of it.

This kind of mentality is exactly what I have a problem with, personally. Ultimately researching things on the internet can only get you so far, and nothing you read is infallible. Arguing amonst ourselves about which group is really at the top is largely a waste of time in my opinion, especially if they can be identified by name. People bitch an moan about Alex Jones not being specific enough, then go on to use catch all labels themselves. It annoys the shit out of me.
There are multiple factions of Zionism in and of its self. Have you ever researched that?
I don't have all the answers, and I don't claim to. All I have really done is point out what I consider to be flaws, hypocrasies, and self defeating behavior in arguments for "zionist jew banker" labelling of the "top of the pyramid".

Quote:Did the Jesuits invent communism?

They had communist style settlements in Paraguay during the 1600s, and they are certainly communistic in their order. Does that count?
How far back do you want to go? Think it really started with Marx?

I don't even give a fuck personally, because I don't support the idea that the Vatican controls everything either.

What makes you think you can acutally figure it out, completely and unequivocally, by reading books or reading things on the internet?

Am I not allowed to be a skeptic for fucks sakes?

Quote:Also, is there something more to this? Why all the sensitivity to this exposure?

I'm concerned when I see people allowing themselves to fall into group think, claiming that drinking from a poisoned well is the answer.

There is not "sensitivity to exposure" here, there is frustration with open attempts to establish orthodoxies here, and the behavior of those people. That is what the thread is about.

Trying to turn a concern for maintaining an open arena for debate, into "crying over zionist exposure" is bullshit, and to be frank, the implication there is just fucking disgusts me at this point.

rockclimber · 09-01-2007, 04:11 AM

DSB wrote:

Quote:The issue is that some people seem to have set out to establish an orthodoxy here at Con Cen, and other people are bothered by the behavior of some who are in agreement with them.

Well I certainly cannot control other peoples behavior, so it is good to point it out. I despise followers in the sense that if they are doing it because they like this person or that orthodoxy without even a challenge, than that is about them. I fail in this area. I'm not a cult of personality type, but I don't know as much as I would like to know, and will never come close. But I rely on the good research of others on this board as collective to help me sort through the nonsense.

Quote:What makes you think you can acutally figure it out, completely and unequivocally, by reading books or reading things on the internet?

I don't believe I have it all figured out. Far from it, it's why I came here in the first place, to gather info and inputs from other researchers to see if we can come to a consensus so that we can nail them down and expose them. Exposing them on a wide scale is having an impact. Them being the elitists in all flavors. It speeds up the game on their part which is why they are becoming more obvious, flagrantly obvious here lately. Pick an area and expose. Let people for a higher calling who have higher standards root these people out. I personally am not trying to cram my views down anyones throat, but what really pisses me off is when people start calling us anti-semites or some other label for exposing yet one more evil bunch of bastards. I can separate Zionists from Jews and have never said the two were the same and have always said there are many good Jews out their and many are fighting the same fight. That AS label just rattles my ass to no end. It's like saying 'hey shutup don't say Zionist, your a damned anti-semite! Or 'you can mention them but only in small doses please'. If there is a forum where people are talking about the Jesuits, I can either a)ignore it, orB)read it and form an opinion. It's my choice.

Quote:This kind of mentality is exactly what I have a problem with, personally. Ultimately researching things on the internet can only get you so far, and nothing you read is infallible. Arguing amonst ourselves about which group is really at the top is largely a waste of time in my opinion, especially if they can be identified by name. People bitch an moan about Alex Jones not being specific enough, then go on to use catch all labels themselves. It annoys the shit out of me.

With the collective efforts of everyone working to figure it out, we have trimmed the guessing game of who the real players are, I don't think you can deny that. Hell 5-years ago I would have told you the democrats were the problem, you know, liberals and commies. But now we no the game to a greater extent and most people have never heard of the groups we talk about. So yes, although plenty of room for error, the collective efforts are showing progress in who it is that needs to be exposed. Specificity is important, names are important, how does the term the NWO really help us out? It's too broad and needs to be defined, really defined. Many have tried, and many have left this group or that group out. AJ is not entirely on it and he has avoided certain topics for years. Particularly the one people despise here, yet since it has been exposed others are less intimidated to talk about it. AJ is one of them. I believe he did not want to broach it out of fear or repercussions, but now it has been made easier for him.

I also find that 'they' (the talking heads and or well-know authors/researchers either leave a 'specific' group out, or the go real easy on them. It's important to point all of them out especially when breaking barriers regarding taboo topics. The more people talk about something that deserves to be investigated or talked about in the name of free speech and justice the more they will be revealed and the pressure will be put on them and eventually tame them or weaken them. It bothers me when a group that has been oppressed at one time in history, and uses a smear label when ever somebody points out their defects in effort to silence it's critics, continues to do what it wants to.

Quote:They had communist style settlements in Paraguay during the 1600s, and they are certainly communistic in their order. Does that count?
How far back do you want to go? Think it really started with Marx?

I think from a historical perspective it's always good to know of the origins of a political ideology, but this was a poisoned type of communism with tentacles reaching to the Rothschilds, Schiffs etc., and the Zionists. Communism leaders wanted regional and eventually global control, much like Nazism. So there are always competing groups. When you consider who it's creators were, you have to ask what their motives were.

Quote:Am I not allowed to be a skeptic for fucks sakes?

You don't need my permission do you?;)Hell I wouldn't have commented if I wasn't interested in your skepticism and knowledge.

rockclimber · 09-01-2007, 05:21 AM

Quote:Deathstickboy wrote:

I'm buying a headset tomorrow. So very soon. This weekend hopefully. biggrin.gif

Before I forget, looking forward to hearing you on the radio and your perspective. I'm sure it will be interesting to say the least. :)

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 09-01-2007 05:47 AM by SerialExpLain.)

You know how the Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion were considered a fraud?

I think this is the crux of the issue. I am beginning to totally agree, they are a fraud BECAUSE it is not the Zionists! I think it was framed so the Zionists would be blamed when it all jumped off.

The clue: Its Sion NOT Zion

Quote:...are clearly some form of manifesto for the implementation of Synarchy's aims, and are signed by the "representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree".

http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_the...rs_of_Zion.html

Now compared with all the information about Synarchy's aims here:

Quote:a synarchic minimal-regret population of ten million

http://www.foundationwebsite.org/OnEquity.htm

Now, that is truly Machiavellian...the Zionists WERE framed!!!

***Shinobi*** · 09-01-2007, 05:52 AM

Thanks Ill human, I was where yuo were once too
and im not mocking or portraying that you arent awake
just that back in the day on the old forum I used to laugh heavily
very heavily about this zionist agenda, it didnt take Og or Ctrl
or anyone else to make me want to learn, the facts were there before us
from the very start, yet we all so mocked this zionist involvement
this zionist agenda - until .. something must have made us all wake up
we came to this new forum discussing things we had never discussed before
and the zionist agenda was on top, where we were so ignorant before
it only came back in our faces to make us all research harder
more, and more, and so much more.. Im glad theres even a zionist section
on this forum - for if it was a couple years ago that would not have existed
and believe me I have been around for a long time, longer than most know
We never followed a trend @ conspiracy central, and we never jumped on a bandwaggon of hate - people, some may portray it as that but its not
I consider it the best awakening of mankind ever when it comes to people learning about zionism, it connects more dots than a game of connect four
you may think that is a weak logic or assumption, though anyone can say
whatever they want - my respects go out to 'byrd' - 'infinite' - definately Ognir lol (at a time we said zionism was bullshit back then) Og woke up
and in that process he woke many too.. in some ways I see all the old arguements on the old board an ignorance, something we wasnt ready for

well I said my silly piece here, I do love you all
and I hope we as the best truth community online
can love each other the same and debate these things
in a cool calm manor .. war amongst the truthers is not good .. it hurts

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 09-01-2007, 05:57 AM

Madizims, its NOT the Zionists... read my post that I probably was posting while you were posting yours.

They WERE obviously framed and there is the proof in those two links.

***Shinobi*** · 09-01-2007, 07:26 AM

Its not the zionists now .. okay .. pass me that ice tea you drink ..
sorry . but I have gone beyond when it comes to this
SerialExpLain what did you really want to say ? ? ? ?
Im open to you leaving husband, just let me know when time is right.

Ognir · 09-01-2007, 07:47 AM

I don't like the word Zionist. In my Radio ConCen shows I struggle to find the word for them, Zionist, Zionist Joos, Elitists, globalists etc etc.

There are too many Zionists in the world. The leaders use the zionists imho but who are these people and what shall we call them?

But to get certain points across, the words zionism, zionists and joos will be inter-used :confused:

***Shinobi*** · 09-01-2007, 07:48 AM

Fucking amazing really all this ..

pizzaman777 · 09-01-2007, 07:57 AM

How about globalist/elite dynasty :geek:

Ognir · 09-01-2007, 08:03 AM

Waht pizzaman? no joos:LOL:

MC David · 09-01-2007, 08:07 AM

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Actually, Kabballah is the root word for Cabal, supposedly from a period in which one faction of the French Nobility was heavily into Kabballah, around the same time Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism was playing a huge role in political life leading up to and during the Reniessance.

You know what I'm saying though, that the term "cabal" like oh it's an evil cabal running things is related to the Kabballah. Thus indicative that those in control & the ones at the top are Kabballists.

No. It was indicitive of a group of Kabballists when the word was first used to describe a faction of the masonic french nobility.

Now its used to refer to any secretive group, though usually associated with those in power.

"An evil cabal running things" is not actually related to the Kabballah its self, other than the fact that evil power mongering type people have also used or attempted to use the Kabballah and wisdom contained within to gain more power for themselves.

Kabballah is just the mystical/gnostic arm of the Jewish Religion. Just as Sufism is to Islam.

Mystical Orders and such have always played a role in political subterfuge and the like, the Hashashins started from a Sufi order, for example, but that is more related to the (elite created and maintained) social structures which is set up around such teachings, rather than the teachings themselves.

What you are saying is tantamount to blaming America's constitution for the corruption of the US government.

lol that's fine. However you wanna swing it, it's an elite of Kabballists who are at the highest echelons of power whether the Kabballah is innately evil or not. Why are you so sensitive/arrogant about this? I'm just trying to identify & describe who's at the top & I simply think it's interesting that the word cabal comes from Kabbalah in relation to that. If you don't think that identifying who's at the top of the power structure is important then don't partake in it but I don't think it's necessary to criticize others for doing so.

MC David · 09-01-2007, 08:10 AM

Quote:torah jews are not zionists, zionists are talmudic jews.

http://www.nkusa.org/

Orthodox Jews Denounce 'Israel' and its Policies

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews

torah jews get bad treatment from zionists themselves. zionists are satanic, they use the cover of zionist philosophy, for their satanic nwo. the satanic nwo has members of all races/religions. they use covert methods.

Interestingly enough those same non-Zionist Torah Jews are Talmudic as well, look it up. Not saying they necessarily do any evil though, which is all that really matters. But they may still believe that non-Jews aren't human stuff at least discreetly b/c they are Talmud followers.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 09-01-2007, 08:12 AM

Quote:Its not the zionists now .. okay .. pass me that ice tea you drink ..
sorry . but I have gone beyond when it comes to this
SerialExpLain what did you really want to say ? ? ? ?
Im open to you leaving husband, just let me know when time is right.

Sillybilly.... :smile:

I muttered to myself for years....freaking Zionists...I live in a ZOG.:angry:

BUT ---

WE ARE WRONG....THEY'VE BEEN FRAMED!!!

@ least when it comes to the Protocols, so prolly for a lot of other things too. I am serious, I just realized this, and now I just want to go hug a rabbi or something, because it is clear as day they have been framed!!