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resonate · 09-03-2007, 08:51 PM

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Quote:Lets make something clear here...

Are you guys talking about Alan Watts? (I am): Alan Watts

OR Alan Watt?: Alan Watt
Take a wild guess...

Elephant?... that's my wild guess.;)

Just making sure everyone is clear.... some of the points and character descriptions could be attributed to Watts, that's why I screwed up. I didn't know of Alan Watt...

Watt, just from listening to a few of his radio shows, he seems to be a compassionate person...

Although, he seems to focus on the effects and not on the cause, unlike Watts.

So... I'm not sure how to take Watt yet.

But he's definitely another one add to the pondering pool.

rockclimber · 09-03-2007, 08:54 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Lets make something clear here...

Are you guys talking about Alan Watts? (I am): Alan Watts

OR Alan Watt?: Alan Watt
Take a wild guess...

Elephant?... that's my wild guess.;)

Just making sure everyone is clear.... some of the points and character descriptions could be attributed to Watts, that's why I screwed up. I didn't know of Alan Watt...

Watt, just from listening to a few of his radio shows, he seems to be a compassionate person...

Although, he seems to focus on the effects and not on the cause, unlike Watts.

So... I'm not sure how to take Watt yet.

But he's definitely another one add to the pondering pool.

Don't feel bad, I'm not even sure I'm using the right Watt, Watts. But after checking we are as you guessed talking about Alan Watt from cuttingthroughthematrix.com

strawman · 09-04-2007, 02:48 AM

Quote:Ok, I went back and listened again. In all fairness Alan's point was that the Royals, or whoever the head of the hierarchy was at a point in time in history have used the Jew's

let's be careful of generalization here - maybe 'have used Jews' would be better

Quote:to take the heat off of the real people behind the curtain. This in effect (my assumption) is the reason why the heat was put on the Jew's by the people, who had them kicked out of there country.

again - not ALL Jews - this is important

Quote:The Royal's also kicked them out so they didn't have to pay off their debt. (that was AWs response).

yes some select Jews perhaps, but to say all would be a misinterpretation.

Quote:However, Jim asks an important question "who did the Royals borrow their money from". It's a great question because money is power. With that money they can spread it out far and wide and accumulate power anywhere and everywhere. In my view, that makes them (the bankers) MORE powerful than the royals.

Think of it this way, if have a contract to sell water, you can make a mint, but if you dole out the licenses to sell water, then you control all sales of water. I would dare to inject that the bankers know there's more at stake here than just money - it's about power. Take on those who give you your license and find yourself without any at all. Keep at the game and maybe one day you are 'elevated' to another strata - licensor, if you will.

Quote:AW asks did the Rothschilds just walk into Britain and take over the banks? No, but just doing a little reading you will realize how conniving and slippery the Rothschilds were.

Of course it does leave me with this thought and that is why did the government, and those in power (royals, elites) allow the Rothschilds to live when they had become that powerful? When you think about it they could have easily been destroyed. ??

Because they were brought in to do a job, plain and simple. Had they not done their job then, ya, they'd have been eliminated. Both Alan and Jordan Maxwell have said that certain Jews have shown their ability to manage well, and in different instances have offered that this tendency goes back for ages. Maxwell has also suggested that the term 'Jew' doesn't represent a race or religion singularily but perhaps a mesh between a people and a class, that being one of a judge, or presider over matters of 'importance', and clearly, if based in any truth, would mean that it was a designation given centuries ago.

As you and epi-phil have noted, it's a terribly ingenious plan, and to give us all credit, it's the type of plan that would have to be concocted in order to fool the masses (including the most inquisitive of us) for so long.

blove8. · 09-04-2007, 02:51 AM

Everyone is a full of shit disinfo agent... including you and me.

FighterFromAfar · 09-04-2007, 03:08 AM

Remember what Morpheus said to Neo in the Matrix. Anyone can be an agent at any time.

The process of awakening is never-ending.

rockclimber · 09-04-2007, 03:26 AM

Quote:
Quote:Ok, I went back and listened again. In all fairness Alan's point was that the Royals, or whoever the head of the hierarchy was at a point in time in history have used the Jew's

let's be careful of generalization here - maybe 'have used Jews' would be better

Quote:to take the heat off of the real people behind the curtain. This in effect (my assumption) is the reason why the heat was put on the Jew's by the people, who had them kicked out of there country.

again - not ALL Jews - this is important

Quote:The Royal's also kicked them out so they didn't have to pay off their debt. (that was AWs response).

yes some select Jews perhaps, but to say all would be a misinterpretation.

Quote:However, Jim asks an important question "who did the Royals borrow their money from". It's a great question because money is power. With that money they can spread it out far and wide and accumulate power anywhere and everywhere. In my view, that makes them (the bankers) MORE powerful than the royals.

Think of it this way, if have a contract to sell water, you can make a mint, but if you dole out the licenses to sell water, then you control all sales of water. I would dare to inject that the bankers know there's more at stake here than just money - it's about power. Take on those who give you your license and find yourself without any at all. Keep at the game and maybe one day you are 'elevated' to another strata - licensor, if you will.

Quote:AW asks did the Rothschilds just walk into Britain and take over the banks? No, but just doing a little reading you will realize how conniving and slippery the Rothschilds were.

Of course it does leave me with this thought and that is why did the government, and those in power (royals, elites) allow the Rothschilds to live when they had become that powerful? When you think about it they could have easily been destroyed. ??

Because they were brought in to do a job, plain and simple. Had they not done their job then, ya, they'd have been eliminated. Both Alan and Jordan Maxwell have said that certain Jews have shown their ability to manage well, and in different instances have offered that this tendency goes back for ages. Maxwell has also suggested that the term 'Jew' doesn't represent a race or religion singularily but perhaps a mesh between a people and a class, that being one of a judge, or presider over matters of 'importance', and clearly, if based in any truth, would mean that it was a designation given centuries ago.

As you and epi-phil have noted, it's a terribly ingenious plan, and to give us all credit, it's the type of plan that would have to be concocted in order to fool the masses (including the most inquisitive of us) for so long.

Yeah let me be clear about that, I don't mean to generalize when I say Jew's (lumping them all under one label), just those who control the money in this regard.

Regarding how they were brought in to do the job, I gave this some thought...if your smart enough and your tired of your ancestors getting kicked out of other countries you eventually learn to cover your ass and learn better ways to take control of power. That's where bribes, death threats and other devious ways come in to play. It's not impossible for people of power to dig up dirt on say, a politician or even a royal, threaten them or bribe them to play the bankers game. This also happens through infiltration. For example, consider the many Washington politicians who have been compromised, people of power who have to play the game.

My point is that some know how to do this better than others and it doesn't take an army to shut someone up if you have the goods on them. Like I said, it's cya on their part, and that is ingenious as well.

My thoughts...

pojohnny · 09-04-2007, 11:07 AM

I think it'd be unwise to ignore the fact that jews have consistently risen to the top in areas related to crowd control: money, media and mythology. How the power plays out in the upper echelons, I don't know. Maybe Watt doesn't either.

But it's the mechanics of how money, media and mythology have manipulated my own mind that are of more interest to me personally. That's the matrix, imo. And I'm ok with saying I don't know how it all works at top for now. Because no matter who's running the show, their going to be using the same manipulation tactics to control the masses. So that's why I think it's important to study those tactics. And I think Alan Watt is a good teacher in this regard.

~~Rod~~ · 09-04-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:I think it'd be unwise to ignore the fact that jews have consistently risen to the top in areas related to crowd control: money, media and mythology. How the power plays out in the upper echelons, I don't know. Maybe Watt doesn't either.

Have a listen to Sundays Radio ConCen its explained you can get it HERE
I think its more appropriate to use the term zionist, your missing a large group of culpable people by saying Jews (its a religion not an ethnicity - Hebrew is an ethnicity). If your going to use an ethnicity Mongolian would be more appropriate. Zionist is an umbrella term that covers many groups whose purpose is Israeli hegemony. This is a complex term that should be investigated thoroughly, and will provide a good base for understanding the NWO as a whole.

strawman · 09-04-2007, 02:20 PM

Quote:Yeah let me be clear about that, I don't mean to generalize when I say Jew's (lumping them all under one label), just those who control the money in this regard.

I figured, but there's too much generalization going around, especially when it comes to Jews and Zionists, so I thought it important to point out.

Quote:Regarding how they were brought in to do the job, I gave this some thought...if your smart enough and your tired of your ancestors getting kicked out of other countries you eventually learn to cover your ass and learn better ways to take control of power. That's where bribes, death threats and other devious ways come in to play. It's not impossible for people of power to dig up dirt on say, a politician or even a royal, threaten them or bribe them to play the bankers game. This also happens through infiltration. For example, consider the many Washington politicians who have been compromised, people of power who have to play the game.

I'll interject here with two quick points. 1) When you are working towards the 'divine plan', your own race, even your own family are expendable. If you don't show this psychopathic characteristic, then you don't get to play with the heavy hitters at their level, plain and simple. (2) Do you really try to overtake those who gave you the money to lend in the first place? I can see somewhere down the road there being a power struggle to be the 'kings of the world', but for now there's a 'team-first' attitude, again with the aim of completing the agenda that's laid out in the stars.

Quote:My point is that some know how to do this better than others and it doesn't take an army to shut someone up if you have the goods on them. Like I said, it's cya on their part, and that is ingenious as well.

My thoughts...

Don't you think that the upper elite would have all kinds of blackmail material on their minions, including the bankers? They claim to come from the bloodlines of the ancient Egyptians in some cases, so I think they've had more practice at this game than most.

pojohnny · (This post was last modified: 09-04-2007 03:42 PM by pojohnny.)

Quote:
Quote:I think it'd be unwise to ignore the fact that jews have consistently risen to the top in areas related to crowd control: money, media and mythology. How the power plays out in the upper echelons, I don't know. Maybe Watt doesn't either.

Have a listen to Sundays Radio ConCen its explained you can get it HERE
I think its more appropriate to use the term zionist, your missing a large group of culpable people by saying Jews (its a religion not an ethnicity - Hebrew is an ethnicity). If your going to use an ethnicity Mongolian would be more appropriate. Zionist is an umbrella term that covers many groups whose purpose is Israeli hegemony. This is a complex term that should be investigated thoroughly, and will provide a good base for understanding the NWO as a whole.

Interesting. I'll listen to the show and try to get the labels sorted out. I'll plead ignorance in this area. Although I did mean to point out that jews (people who identify themselves as jewish) have in fact risen to the top of the field in areas of crowd control. My main point was that we can only speculate about the political atmosphere of the inner circles of the elites. But the mechanics of that crowd control are what interest me most and that's what Alan Watt is so good at exposing.

FWIW, the link doesn't work but I've actually got the show. I just haven't made it all the way through yet. Got distracted about the time that the connection problems arose when I tried to listen yesterday.

Thanks for the clarification and source info. I appreciate it.

MikeWB · 09-04-2007, 04:33 PM

Quote:Ok, I went back and listened again. In all fairness Alan's point was that the Royals, or whoever the head of the hierarchy was at a point in time in history have used the Jew's to take the heat off of the real people behind the curtain. This in effect (my assumption) is the reason why the heat was put on the Jew's by the people, who had them kicked out of there country. The Royal's also kicked them out so they didn't have to pay off their debt. (that was AWs response).

However, Jim asks an important question "who did the Royals borrow their money from". It's a great question because money is power. With that money they can spread it out far and wide and accumulate power anywhere and everywhere. In my view, that makes them (the bankers) MORE powerful than the royals.

AW asks did the Rothschilds just walk into Britain and take over the banks? No, but just doing a little reading you will realize how conniving and slippery the Rothschilds were.

Of course it does leave me with this thought and that is why did the government, and those in power (royals, elites) allow the Rothschilds to live when they had become that powerful? When you think about it they could have easily been destroyed. ??

So is AW an apologist for them? Is he just finding ways to justify them?

His assertion that Z. are just serving the people at the top is THE BIGGEST DISINFO EVER! If he's really claiming that than his research is shit. That's the biggest and most dangerous lie someone can promote. It clearly shifts the blame from the real source of power.

PS: The question about 'if royals are at the top, why did they borrow money" is spot on! What's AW's exact reply to that?

stanteau · 09-04-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:He's taken the Matrix analogy way too far. He's beating a dead horse. Telling no to some woman with high school education that's barely making ends meet is gonna accomplish absolutely nothing.

Alan Watt comes off as a nutty philosopher that's constantly talking about some abstract, nebulous, non-practical stuff that does very little to the bottom line. Matrix from that movie is nothing like our reality and there's no Neo to shut it down. We're stuck in this and shit's gonna get tougher and tougher for all of us.

I'd rather stick to stuff we can: a) prove and stuff thatB)is grounded in this reality we're in.

I'll admit I have never heard Alan Watt's voice before, but I can say something about nutty philosopher's and how mixing it with conspiracy theorism would lead to what you just mentioned.

I got into philosophy through conspiracy theorism. I began with everything we all talk about here anyway, and than it ended at the secret societies. I wanted to know what "they" knew, and I equated it to pure knowledge. Around this time I lost a good job and went back to school and figured, what better way to learn than to learn learning techniques, right? Boy was I wrong.

Philosophy has made me a bitter "PROVE IT MOTHERFUCKER!" kind of guy. The language we use is everything. I try to live my life in theory, "ya know this guy says that, and it correlates here, BUt it's based upon these presuppositions", I believe in honesty and genuine learning, so when people usually less than 5 years out of high school say they "know it" frankly I leave the conversation/thread/etc. because you can't tell me anything, if you have told yourself that you know it than you've shut yourself off from all outside theories and are in non-stop defense mode, that's no way to live a life of learning that I assumed all conspiracy theorists lived by, since then I've gotten smarter.

Because LEARNING about the conspiracies is only one step, ACTING is another, and REALIZING THE OUTCOME is a third. This guy says the way to hit at it and save everyone is to "focus on the real stuff like Zionism or this or that, etc." but this guy's opinion is to do it through opening minds. You can either blow people away and just read a long list of facts and numbers and names they don't know to countries they didn't know existed, or you can slowly, slowly get people to understand the world of appearances vs. being, let them get into it on their opwn, use mundane examples that they can get with, open the mind, and one day THEY will say "hey, steel doesn't melt that fast" and voillah, because we all know nothing convinces someone like learning it themselves.

It's simply a different approach, but that's the rationale for it.

evesky · 09-04-2007, 04:50 PM

There are some twisted and bad people at the top, they are so far away from contact from the real people they dont care if they are sacrificed. The real issue isnt if they are Zionist, it is how to take some of our power back from them.
It seems Zionists openly control Holywood and The media then it is quite hard to step past the generalisation. One could argue the Jewish victim mentality is something to conveniently hide behind.
However I wouldnt be suprised if this is just another cover and the people really pulling the strings are not Zionist at all...

SEGMeNT · 09-04-2007, 06:03 PM

Alan uses the term 'They' or 'Elite' but fails to mention names and point fingers, this is starting to really annoy me now. Others do it as well but Im not going to list them all.

If such knowledgeable researchers can pour out what they know about world goings on, ancient history, etc then why do they never name this mystical cloak and dagger group ?

The Illuminati rule the world - This is pure speculation as no1 can ever be identified as an Illuminati member 100%. This Illuminati term is used as a generalisation but names are never directly, provably connected to it.

The Freemasons rule the world - Again its my opinion that this is also speculation although its much easier to ID high ranking members of the freemasons and freemasonic architecture in positions of Governmental places of power, I think its unprovable to say they rule / control the world. Alan Watt blames everything on Freemasons and it really does not sit right with me.

The Vatican, Jesuits, Rosicrucian's, Aliens, God, blah blah blah rule the world, fact of the matter is we cant prove a dam thing with these groups connecting them to Ultimate Global control.

Here we have a situation where we either believe there is a mystical all powerful ruling group who control everything but cant be proved or we start looking where the money trail leads us, after all that is how we are all controlled !

So following the money trails we find they work there way back and stop with Zionist Banksters (check the money masters for more info on this). Its 100% provable !

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790

The same money trails also highlight Pharmaceutical Companies, Media Companies & Law Companies which fall under the umbrella of being Zionist owned.

Governments pledge allegiance to Israel (what for, I really dont know), those countries who dont show allegiance to Israel get wars launched upon them.

Here we have the Lowest common denominator being Zionism / Israel after looking at where the roads lead back to. Now people say they are serving someone but nobody can 100% prove they are and if they are name who the hell it is with absolute accuracy.

The torch is shinning at a group of people we are able to identify, they essentially have control over everything we do through the dam money, political lobbying etc etc ohh and hate / thought crime....
so until more evidence is brought to the table that dispels this group of Zionist filth are not in control Im going to have to follow the evidence.

These filth are controlling the planet

The researchers who deflect attention away from Zionism are full of shit because they wont name who it is the Zionsts are meant to be serving. They just send us in obscure circles looking into secret societies, ancient religion and so on.... All very interesting but it don't answer the question of who's in charge !

'To fight a battle, we first need to Identify who the Enemy is'
SEGMeNT 2007

cultofodin · 09-07-2007, 04:47 PM

Watt may be a good researcher in some respects but like Maxwell he also talks out his ass a lot. Just the other day I was listening to an old radio show the other day and somebody asks him what he thought of Rene Guenon and Julius Evola and you could tell he had no fucking clue as to who they were but he still rambled in a non sensical way for about a minute as if he knew what he was talking about. It was like he was so self important that he didn't want to admit that he didn't know who these people were or anything about them.