The West is the best

[markko]

Dictatorship hehehe. When it comes to 'West' the same thing is named democracy. Simple as that. So called tyranny becomes freedom. They are really one and the same, as are people behind those concepts.

[razorback2000]

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Quote:funny thing is... "the west" is actually responsible for saddam...

I say the West, or America, is not responsible for Saddam Hussein. Nor for who were before him, nor for who came after him. Besides Israel the middle-east has a history of 1400 years of brutal dictatorship. Without exception.

In 1979 ayatollah Khomeini declared dead to America. So it became in their interest to support Saddam. I agree, it’s a negative choice. But it doesn't matter who you’re dealing with, it’s a bad one anyway. The pro-western shah wasn't great, but ayatollah Khomeini, his anti-western succeeder, was even worse. You cannot blame the west for the butchers that part of the world has produced the last 1400 years.

By the way, I’m a big Jim Morrison fan. Until the end!

It's not because you say it that it's the truth fortunatly :bored:

You should revised your history on how Sadam Hussein came to power....

But that's fine a low brainer like you just catch what's confort his ideas and don't look elsewhere.

[razorback2000]

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Quote:funny thing is... "the west" is actually responsible for saddam...

I say the West, or America, is not responsible for Saddam Hussein. Nor for who were before him, nor for who came after him. Besides Israel the middle-east has a history of 1400 years of brutal dictatorship. Without exception.

In 1979 ayatollah Khomeini declared dead to America. So it became in their interest to support Saddam. I agree, it’s a negative choice. But it doesn't matter who you’re dealing with, it’s a bad one anyway. The pro-western shah wasn't great, but ayatollah Khomeini, his anti-western succeeder, was even worse. You cannot blame the west for the butchers that part of the world has produced the last 1400 years.

By the way, I’m a big Jim Morrison fan. Until the end!

It's not because you say it that it's the truth fortunatly :bored:

You should revised your history on how Sadam Hussein came to power....

But that's fine a low brainer like you just catch what's confort his ideas and don't look elsewhere.

[Ognir]

Quote:I’m a Dutchman, born in 1961, and a defender of the West, America and Israel. I believe the main problem of our days is Islam.

Yeah right, maybe I forgot to say hello asshole

[TeslaandLyne]

Hello

Would you say Israel has the terror population sewed up tighter than a drum in light of
the video Occupation 101?

Do you think any more defenses are needed for the West, America and Israel?

Are Homeland Security defenses required to be increased?

If the West, America and Israel shared energy secrets with the rest of the
world, would that promote the best defense?

Discuss amongst the Conspiracy Centralers.

Best

[mothandrust]

it sounds like you've been fed (and swallowed) the standard establishment version of history. don't worry, i too bought their lies for the first forty odd years of my life.

not saying it's the truth (whatever that is) but here's a very entertaining 45 mins. on 'The History of Oil' from Rob Newman. might brush a little sleep from your eyes and raise a smile or two in the process.

oh yeah, and welcome.

big hugs,

[Manticore]

Quote:Hello

Do you think any more defences are needed for the West, America and Israel?

Quote:Ayatollah Khomeini on the goals of Islam:

Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of other [countries] so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.

But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world...

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless.

Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured [by the unbelievers]?

Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies].
Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us?

Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!

Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the
sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword!

The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors!

There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet]urging Muslims to value war and to fight.

Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.

Taheri, Amir, Holy Terror, London 1987, pp. 226-7)

This is a famous Khomeini speech. It’s one of thousands, listened to by hundreds of millions followers. Every week. You asked if I think any more defences are needed for the West, America and Israel. I’m not a politician or a general, but I think yes. We must take them serious. In 1979 ayatollah Khomeini declared the death to America. And without saying to their friends to. The proces has started...

I see the Israel \ Palestine conflict in a broader picture. If you support the Palestine, support the Islamic freedom fighters in Tjetsenia, Thailand, Filipines, Indonesia and so on, just as well. Why only support the so-called Palestine if the complains of the other suppressed are just the same? If not that their land is stolen, they are being discriminated, not tolerated, can’t practice their religion and so on. Basically in every conflict they complain about the same. You can hear them here in Holland just as well.

One reason I support Israel is that their opponents are people that amputate, stone people (especially woman) for no sane reason, have laws that protect rapists, forced marriages, child marriages, honour killings, circumcision, whiplashes, beheadings, slavery, want to throw homosexuals of high buildings (with their head first), and what i overlook. 70% of the so-called Palastine voted for this!

I call these people savages! If you know a better word I will use that instead…

Any sane person’s support should go to Israel!

[deathstickboy]

Anyone who thinks Islam is the biggest, or the only threat to "the west" is stopping short, most likely out of fear or even prejudice. In reality, all 3 of the Middle Eastern monotheistic religions contain in their social and political philosophy, "threats" to the percieved ideal sort of life we lead here in the west.

So don't leave out Christianity and Judaism if you are going to condem Islam, because they are all branches on the same tree.

You might not be aware of this, but there are actually jewish fundamentalists who equal the islamic fundamentalists in terms of the insane shit they believe in and justify, the only difference is, one is promoted heavily in the media, and the other is not.

What is the difference between and Israeli suicide bomber and a Palestinian suicide bomber?

One straps a bomb to himself, the other straps himself into an F-16.

:rolleyes:

[Guest]

Quote:Any sane person’s support should go to Israel!

So you think there's fucked up things with Islam?
Would you like some quotes from the Talmud? :confused:

You're picking the lessor of two evils, which I suppose is admirable in a way, however it's still
selecting evil.

You mentioned stonings blah blah blah. Would you like some footage of Israeli soldiers
holding a man, (4 on 1) stretching his limbs out, and breaking his bones 1 by 1 with a football
sized boulder? I'll happily fetch that footage for you. I'll also happily fetch footage of Israeli
soldiers sticking their machine guns into the face of a pregnant Arab who only wants to get to a
hospital to have her baby delivered.

You see, there's only one side presented in our media. A side that incidentally favours the zionist cause.
You're not getting to see the other side of the coin. Our tracker, one heck of a source for truth (and lies)
has the other side of the coin. I'd suggest researching deeper this subject, then forming your conclusions.

As it is, your conclusions reek of fox news....if you can even call it news.

[MC David]

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Quote:If 'the west is the best', it is certainly not because of you in any way, shape or form. asshole.

No need for that ZB. Have a week off to cool down. You're suspended.

For insulting this guy?

[MC David]

Quote:I’m a Dutchman, born in 1961, and a defender of the West, America and Israel. I believe the main problem of our days is Islam. Not totalitarian Islam, extremist Islam, or what ever you may call it, the problem is just Islam.

Also I believe that our politicians are incompetent to solve this problem. They only express weakens so they give their opponents hope. Even the Americans do, they are too afraid to even mention the enemy by it’s name and call what is going on ‘the war against terrorism’. Terrorism is a tactic.

I love discussions especially with people who don’t share my views…

9/11 was a Zionist false flag operation. We all know the towers fell from some form of demolition, this is common knowledge. You can find further information about this & Zionism's involvement here. Everybody & their grandmother knows that we were lied into Iraq & we've killed over a million people there over nothing, if that's not terrorism I don't know what is. Israel is an illegal terrorist state & Palestinians live under a brutal military occupation & are abused & murdered frequently over nothing. The rhetoric over Iran is bullshit & lies just as bad as Iraq was & the Israel lobby is controlling American foreign policy against the wishes of over 70% of the American public who no longer has any control over this whatsoever. On top of that the main motivation for Islamic terrorism (which serves as a useful tool for the controllers of America & is only a problem for it's citizens) is decades of abuse, occupation & murder at the hands of (Zionist/banking elite controlled) Western governments, not Islam though I'm not a fan of organized religion in general.

[Guest]

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Quote:If 'the west is the best', it is certainly not because of you in any way, shape or form. asshole.

No need for that ZB. Have a week off to cool down. You're suspended.

For insulting this guy?

Do WE...and I do mean WE "as concen" (ie: ALL OF US) want to appear to have a dogma? A theology?
A certain way that "YOU MUST THINK" to express yourself here?

I'm sorry if you think I'm defending this guy. I disagree with him wholeheartedly, however, flaming people, ad homimem attacks or whatnot make us look no better than a Bill O'Rielly or a Sean Hannity.

This is not the first time ZB's flamed someone's introductory post. Frankly, I'm tired of his shit....not his message.... I'm sick of the flaming presentation.

ZB could have said "dude, you're out to lunch, and here's reasons 1,2,3 why".... instead the n00b's an arsehole. Well fuck that shit!

While I might not agree with what the guy has to say, I will defend his right to say it. We're freedom lovers
here yes? Since when did we only defend some people's right to an opinion?

[MC David]

I was just wondering why you banned him for insulting this fool rather than the times he's insulted many more undeserving & worthy people imo. I mean I think we do have a general consensus on shit like this (pro-war fascism). But whatever, it's your board do what you want. I'm not a big fan of Zion Brother either as he's attacked me pointlessly in the past but sometimes I agree w/him & this was one of those times.

Cause the thing about the position this poster is supporting, to me it's the equivolent of saying I'm going to go shoot down people in the street what do you think about it. Cause his views, people who share them enable stuff like that to go down. So to me it crosses over into being criminal.

[Manticore]

Quote:Anyone who thinks Islam is the biggest, or the only threat to "the west" is stopping short, most likely out of fear or even prejudice. In reality, all 3 of the Middle Eastern monotheistic religions contain in their social and political philosophy, "threats" to the percieved ideal sort of life we lead here in the west.

So don't leave out Christianity and Judaism if you are going to condem Islam, because they are all branches on the same tree.

I’m a atheist so I don’t support any religious book.

The violence in the bible is descriptive, the violence in the Koran is prescriptive. That’s a big difference. You can’t find any bible texts like:

Quote:Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29
Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 9:123
Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you. 9:41
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 9:73
Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. 9:12-14
Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39

Quote:You might not be aware of this, but there are actually jewish fundamentalists who equal the islamic fundamentalists in terms of the insane shit they believe in and justify, the only difference is, one is promoted heavily in the media, and the other is not.

I know there are orthodox Jews. If you compare their Talmud to the Koran or hadith you may find some equal barbaric texts. But you won’t find in the Talmud an order to kill. Also orthodox Jews are in minority, they are about 6% of the total. Six out of every hundred. Also, even the orthodox are not allowed to kill. One of the ten commitments forbids that.

There are about 15 million Jews in total, that’s about 0.2% of the world population. There are about 1.5 billion Muslims, that’s about 20%. If you feel threatened more by the Jews, who don’t want to impose their religion on you, then by the Muslims, who do want to impose their believes on others, then shake Adolf’s hand.

Quote:What is the difference between and Israeli suicide bomber and a Palestinian suicide bomber?
One straps a bomb to himself, the other straps himself into an F-16.

I’didn’t know there are Israeli suicide bombers. Tell me more about it...

[Manticore]

Quote:Would you like some quotes from the Talmud?

If you want to I can place them myself. I know what you are talking about.

Quote:You mentioned stonings blah blah blah. Would you like some footage of Israeli soldiers
holding a man, (4 on 1) stretching his limbs out, and breaking his bones 1 by 1 with a football
sized boulder? I'll happily fetch that footage for you. I'll also happily fetch footage of Israeli
soldiers sticking their machine guns into the face of a pregnant Arab who only wants to get to a hospital to have her baby delivered.

I can do the same trick. For every picture of a Jew committing a crime, I can show a 100 pictures exposing the other party doing even worse…

Quote:You see, there's only one side presented in our media. A side that incidentally favours the zionist cause. You're not getting to see the other side of the coin.

Come on, you can see the other side of the coin everyday, everywhere. They are not hidden.