So any Anarchists here besides me?

[tweekjones]

....a fake anarchist or many other wonderful names. I'm an Agorist/Anarcho-Capitalist. A radical libertarian if you will and according to the anarchist police if you arent against capitalism your a pig.

Anyone else out there with me?

One point to make briefly for those not so happy to see an anarchist here. As a Radical Libertarian I beleive in the Non-Aggression principle something socialistic anarchists do not so don't blame me for supposed anarchist violence that's just your neighbor kid wearing a bandanna over his face trying to make himself look kewl for all the commie girls. (LOOK AT MY SIGNATURE TO SEE WHAT WE THROW AT PEOPLE)

Agora,Anarchy,Action!
The Alliance of Libertarian Left baby!

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http://forum.conspiracycentral.net/index...opic=29039 ;)

[tweekjones]

Quote:http://forum.conspiracycentral.net/index...opic=29039 ;)

I've done similar quizes before. The questions on this one were predominately leftist and I did not care for it or the outcome.

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my sincere apologies

In what way do you think the questions were 'predominantly leftist'?

[mastermg]

I like the intifada sig, I had something similar on:)I have
my own views of government but I'm not an anarchist. In this day and age, I can see why people would choose against governments though.

[tweekjones]

Quote:my sincere apologies

In what way do you think the questions were 'predominantly leftist'?

no reason to be sorry friend. I just didn't care for the questions. Like well lets see let me go back there and look for a moment....

"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."

That's a false choice for me I can neither agree or disagree because for one Corp[orations are entity's of the state and have no RIGHT to exist and two I do support free trade in a true free market. That question was clearly written with a leftist lean. Remember that I am neither left nor right so Id be just as angry if it were rightest.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Nice enough saying but tell me WHAT does it have to do with my politics?

"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."

Many problems with this. For one do I beleive that Military Action is ever justified? If any american war is used as an example my answer would be no and my broader answer would be 99.9999% of wars are NOT justified. Also this question implys that International Law is valid while I don't beleive it is. Lefist leaning see? A false choice for me.

"There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment."

What does that have to do with my politics?


I'M NOT HARPING ON YOU AND I LIKE SUCH QUIZZES JUST NOT THIS ONE,I LIKE ANOTHER FAIER ONE HERE BUT ITS NOT FAIR ENOUGH,NOT UNBIASED ENOUGH,NONE OF THESE TYPE OF QUIZZES ARE-
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political...ctrum-quiz.html

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A number of us had issues with the limitations of the questions..but such are the nature of multiple choice based representative quizzes.

They usually use extreme polemicised constructs in order to establish the basic underlying narrative to a person's outlook...

at least that was how I figured them to operate anyhow..

The test is, imo, constructed to gauge opinion along the lines of the basic traditional precepts of left and right..where someone sits in parliment..which brand of young Hegelian might you be etc ...

I do not find it left biased, personally..I just think it is limited.

I think it belies something of your own stance to declare it so, imsho B)

[tweekjones]

Quote:A number of us had issues with the limitations of the questions..but such are the nature of multiple choice based representative quizzes.

They usually use extreme polemicised constructs in order to establish the basic underlying narrative to a person's outlook...

at least that was how I figured them to operate anyhow..

The test is, imo, constructed to gauge opinion along the lines of the basic traditional precepts of left and right..where someone sits in parliment..which brand of young Hegelian might you be etc ...

I do not find it left biased, personally..I just think it is limited.

I think it belies something of your own stance to declare it so, imsho B)

"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."

I understand that this is only one example but does that question not have an inherent bias towards excepting the validity of international law at least in some cases?
I WILL NEVER EXCEPT THE VALIDITY OF INTERNATIONAL LAW.

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Quote:

Quote:A number of us had issues with the limitations of the questions..but such are the nature of multiple choice based representative quizzes.

They usually use extreme polemicised constructs in order to establish the basic underlying narrative to a person's outlook...

at least that was how I figured them to operate anyhow..

The test is, imo, constructed to gauge opinion along the lines of the basic traditional precepts of left and right..where someone sits in parliment..which brand of young Hegelian might you be etc ...

I do not find it left biased, personally..I just think it is limited.

I think it belies something of your own stance to declare it so, imsho B)

"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."

I understand that this is only one example but does that question not have an inherent bias towards excepting the validity of international law at least in some cases?
I WILL NEVER EXCEPT THE VALIDITY OF INTERNATIONAL LAW.

I do understand that the syntax of many of the questions is leading..or validating what is probably given as the accepted status quo vis a vi geopolitics...

I do not however see how this has been intepreted by you as inherently being of a 'leftist' bias...I think that is just a manifest comment of your own conceptions of the political sphere.

I could just as easily say that they are formulated from a 'rightist' perspective from your given example..for corporatism also sought legal panacea throughout land under it's direct control in it's philosophy...otherwise known as fascism....as did the Holy Roman Empire in decreeing edicts etc ..so then, such pronouncements are meaningless and futhermore, imo, do nothing else than create division.jmo

you might think I'm overreacting but I have been following assault on the NHS in the American press of late in response to Obama's 'socialist''health care overhaul...it struck he thatr their was a LOT of misinformation about the 'leftist' NHS in the UK, which...irrespective of why it was initially set up...functioned a whole lot better and offered better care for the sick when it was a national service before it was divided up into privately managed chaos through the privatisation drive from Margaret Thatcher..

in fact, even in it's destroyed state the NHS..although deeply fucked now...STILL has a better held duty of care towards those who just cannot pay than the deeply flawed US health system. Not that I in anyway support the changes that are being made as I understand the underlying narratives.

I am deeply suspicious of any bipartisan outpourings. My apologies :)

How does health care provision function in your anarcho-capitalist model?

[tweekjones]

Quote:I could just as easily say that they are formulated from a 'rightist' perspective from your given example..for corporatism also sought legal panacea throughout land under it's direct control in it's philosophy...otherwise known as fascism....as did the Holy Roman Empire in decreeing edicts etc ..so then, such pronouncements are meaningless and futhermore, imo, do nothing else than create division.jmo

I do strongly beleive that we are becoming a corporatist country and world however corporatism in my mind is not rightist. If we were to use the nazi's as an example there government was the most leftist or Socialist government conceived.Perhaps I should be using the term socialists instead of leftist.
They had FULL control of the economy and the people and lets not forget they were National Socialists.

Having said that I'm a Liberal in the classic since myself.In fact I'm a member of the Libertarian Left but that doesn't mean I like Noam Chomsky,Socialistic Libertarians or Anarchists would think of me as a conservative or rightist libertarian. Its all the meaning of language(Semantics) and it sucks.I rather hate the conservative label to however as I am Economically conservative to the extreme but I'm also Socially Liberal to the Extreme. I hate "rightists" just as much as "leftists" however I would say there aren't any real "rightists" left and only are there different forms of leftism. Near every politician is a fucking Keynesian,near every politician likes war,near every politician believes in entitlements for some special interest group e.t.c Again maybe I should use the term Socialist rather then leftist.

Ok so how could healthcare work in an Anarcho-Capitalist society?

Well it start with deregulating everything. STOP Making people get licenses to practice medicine or sell drugs.
Now DON'T try to argue the same old tired argument that that will lead to CHAOS!!!! Because it won't.
Regulation will come from with in not from without. Already the AMA regulates there industry to the hilt. In fact thanks to the governments intrusion the AMA has been able to create a monopoly and limit the number of people going to medical school thus ARTIFICIALLY keeping prices high because of a lack of doctors.
Now imagine this. No regulations right? Will some idiots kill some people? Perhaps but the vast majority of those who get into the medicine field with out full surgeons training will be doing minor things that shouldn't require a license. Even today nurses can't sew stitches and why? Because its for the damn doctor to do for $500. In this situation if I had migraines Id go to the local drugs store,licensed or not,and buy some marijuana. If I cut myself bad enough I may go down the street to a neighbors who does minor medical work for money.
With that "system" there would cease to be a shortage of doctors and prices would start to go down immediately. We actually had medical care like this in this country not so long ago though not quite as free and things like baby delivery only cost $20 which adjusted for inflation was still only $200.

Today its $5000.

BREAK THE MONOPOLIES THE AMA,INSURANCE,AND RELATED ORGANIZATIONS HAVE CREATED THROUGH GOVERNMENT DEALS AND WE WILL HAVE CHEAP HEALTHCARE.

Perhpas I did not describe the concept well enoguh but there you have it.

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If, like some people anarchism can be broken down into categories or subsytems, or worse yet a system AT ALL, then no I am not an anarchist.

For example. wiki states anarchism as:

Quote:There are many types and traditions of anarchism, not all of which are mutually exclusive.[4] Different versions of anarchism have been categorized as socialist anarchism and individualist anarchism or similar two-sides classifications.[5][6][7] Anarchism is usually considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,[8][9][10] and much of anarchist economics and anarchist legal philosophy reflect anti-statist interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics;

Quote:Anarchism is usually considered to be a radical left-wing ideology

That's got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Anarchism is neither left nor right. It's simply not on the spectrum. (technically) To put anarchism in the L/R spectrum would be as stupid as trying to put 25:00 hours on a 24hr clock. Half the communists out there call themselves "anarchist". That speaks volumes.

I would define myself as an anarchist in the truest sense of the word... no gov, no cops, no courts, NO LAWS.... and to digress, in a perfect world, no Jew money lenders.

[tweekjones]

As an Anarcho-Capitalist I reject the socialistic "Anarchism" that pervade the movement. Their solution is to replace a large government with thousands of smaller governments where as our solution is to replace government with NOTHING. And for that they call us fake anarchists :(!

In other words I agree with most of what you have to say though one thing did trouble me a little-

Quote:I would define myself as an anarchist in the truest sense of the word... no gov, no cops, no courts, NO LAWS.... and to digress, in a perfect world, no Jew money lenders.

Are all money lenders Jewish? I was not aware and I do know that's a claim many a neo-nazi asshole has made. The question is,Do you hate Jews?

Hating banks and money lenders is fine,even healthy,but to blame it all on one racial group is unproductive and ridiculous.

Statements like that are used to "prove" that people like me MUST hate the Jews because I hate the FED and nothing could be further from the truth.

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Quote:As an Anarcho-Capitalist I reject the socialistic "Anarchism" that pervade the movement. Their solution is to replace a large government with thousands of smaller governments where as our solution is to replace government with NOTHING. And for that they call us fake anarchists :(!

In other words I agree with most of what you have to say though one thing did trouble me a little-

Quote:I would define myself as an anarchist in the truest sense of the word... no gov, no cops, no courts, NO LAWS.... and to digress, in a perfect world, no Jew money lenders.

Are all money lenders Jewish? I was not aware and I do know that's a claim many a neo-nazi asshole has made. The question is,Do you hate Jews?

Do I hate Jews? Gee, than sounds like far more emotional baggage than I'm prepared to carry in my heart. For what it's worth, I don't know why you'd bring National Socialism into a discussion on anarchy when the two are diametrically opposed.

No, I don't "hate" Jews. I dislike the Jewish criminal cabal just like I dislike the Mafia.
Does a distaste for the Mafia mean I "hate" Sicilians and Italians? No, of course not. OTOH, if/when I make the same
comparison to the Jewish mafia, it's now "hate"?

Quote:Hating banks and money lenders is fine,even healthy,but to blame it all on one racial group is unproductive and ridiculous.

Uhm... look who funded both WW's or the Bolshevics... look at the NAMES then research the names. It's NOT my fault they share a common
thread is it?

Quote:Statements like that are used to "prove" that people like me MUST hate the Jews because I hate the FED and nothing could be further from the truth.

Good, I see you can make a distinction between the Jewish founders of The Fed, and The Fed itself. That's JUST what I did by adding "money lenders" after Jewish.

[plasticfan]

Sometimes it's helpful to ask - who are your political opponents? Who are the individuals, groups or philosophies that are inhibiting this sociopolitical utopia from manifesting itself?

Who would loose in a completely anarchocapitalist environment?

[tweekjones]

Quote:Sometimes it's helpful to ask - who are your political opponents. Who are the individuals, groups or philosophies that are inhibiting this sociopolitical utopia from manifesting itself.

Who would loose in a completely anarcho-capitalist environment?

Its hardly a Utopia. Utopia is impossible. It is however the only system by which all shall be completely free and in full compliance with the most basic natural law of all time,the Non-Aggression Principle. Natural Law will be the only law,enforced by nature and the market.

I care about freedom not utopia.:)

It's enemies are any who uphold the state even Minarchists and Constitutionalists however we can work together and argue how far we should go once we are to there ideal point of small government.