What If We Are Crashing The System?

[ccarota]

This thread was originally written by Osgorth, one ConCen's original members, last year. It relates directly to Strawman's comments in todays Con-Centricity concerning the "conspiracy" of the Neocons, PNAC and Zionism, and his questions about Jesse's new found "Utopian" perspective, as well as my rant yesterday, and stanteau's comments here. I'd like to pick up the discussion where we left off, as it relates directly to the here and now of ConCen...

What If We Are Crashing The System?

Osgorth 28-June-2006 09:53

Quote:What if..

.. 9-11, the war on terror, the neocon agenda and all that crap was scripted as a means to speed up the waking of the people, to get us on to their trail, e.g. that the powers that be wants to wind up the people, effectively wanting to be caught?

Why?

Order ab Chao. Order out of chaos.

The meaning of all the crap we've seen the past few decades is a deliberate script, set up to finally sacrifice the New Atlantis in order to bring order out of the chaos. Remember that the original Atlantis fell too, so why not the New Atlantis as well? If nothing, it brings meaning to the term New Atlantis.. Implying in no uncertain terms that it's going down...

That is, they deliberately set out to destroy the USA, sacrifice it to the good cause and bring on anarchy and chaos to the world, crashing the economies at large and all this stuff we've been talking about for so long now..

What better way to bring on the new world order that they have been pining for?

The purpose of it all seems to be the sacrifice of the USA, that the main purpose is to crash the system in order to bring in the new. Of course, we mostly knew that. But did it ever cross your mind that WE are the tool for doing so? That they are sloppy on purpose, that some info leak out here and there willfully? To slowly let the people wake up to these issues, so that in the end the system will collapse because all secrets have been revealed.

Did anybody think along these lines before? I didn't. I haven't heard anybody voice this theory before either, until I listened to Michael Tsarion interviewed on Untold Mysteries recently. He is truly a good teacher, and an inspiration to me, and I love you for that, Michael.

Perhaps it's just me, not having understood this properly till now... You tell me.

Chris Carota 28-June-2006 16:16

Quote:Great post Osgorth, I've definitely thought about this before... When you observe how fascists warmongers and corrupt government scams are allowed and seemingly encourages by the globalists, how exceedingly sloppy and deliberate some of the recent black ops have become, it seems like they are trying to manipulate people into a limited perspective conspiratorial view of history, perhaps to accelerate the collapse as you suggest. You are definitely on to it when you say that we are the tools being used to bring this about.

Its like the system is designed to make us all guilty supporters of government and consumerism, to intentionally keep us in ignorance until 911 and the war revealed how that system is completely corrupt. We go from ignorant and complicit supporters of the system to radicalized revolutionaries who want to destroy it, exactly the kind of controlled reaction which allows them to engineer the social collapse. They manipulate the truth to make us feel that there is nothing worth saving, that overthrowing the government and collapsing the world economy is the only solution...

Order ab Chao, the tenet of all secret societies and the method by which they can create a controlled reaction by intentionally allowing conspiracies to happen and be discovered. Like 911, OKC, like starting illegal wars, all are used to radicalize people into sacrificing themselves and their society for a "good cause" against fascist imperialism and government corruption. I keep the recent war out of much of what I publish for this very reason... because the anti-war movement is being used to create a radicalized reaction against those who continue to participate in the system or people who would deny that bush/cheney "made it happen". In truth, both the supporters and the denouncers are ignorant until they begin to understand how both are being used against each other to bring about something that has happened before... an engineered Apocalypse?

When people reach a certain point of self knowledge, they have to take responsibility for what they know... This is what happened to the DBS followers, they were radicalized by trying to take responsibility for what they knew. They were radicalized by using actual conspiracy theories and history. I think the secret societies know that people have this breaking point inside of them for self knowledge, and they try and induce a reaction before the individual can gain a understanding of the whole picture of history and humanity.

The goal as you pointed out, is to manipulate people into reactions which will create more chaos... then secret societies can impose order and the whole system becomes perpetuated...

no3 (tsoldrin)
28-June-2006 22:44

Quote:Two observations:

On "But did it ever cross your mind that WE are the tool for doing so? That they are sloppy on purpose, that some info leak out here and there willfully? To slowly let the people wake up to these issues, so that in the end the system will collapse because all secrets have been revealed."

I think that the slow leaks of information have been used for a long time, but the purpose is to acclimate the masses and prevent shock. If people from 200 years ago saw the way the U.S. political system is working today, with all its corruption and loopholes and abuses - controlled by money, with the power resting in federal hands instead of the states and the people, they would quite simply rebel, instantly. The tyranny now is much worse than what they rebelled against in the first place. The reason people aren't rioting in the streets is because they have been acclimated to it, over generations. They really know no better.

Also, or perhaps on the other hand, I believe that a certain faction within tptb are indeed trying to incite the people to outright rebellion by pushing us further and further, to the breaking point, in order to justify the big solution - total enslavement, under the auspices of 'for our own good'. I'm not so sure that all the powers agree with this, it seems contrary to their slow and steady pace of domination - perhaps a small faction is trying to accelerate 'the plan' and see it realized in their lifetimes.

Episteme 29-June-2006 16:20

Quote:Interesting discussion...

Yeah:unsure:...I too have considered the possibility of this :(. There is evidence out there of past illuminati/intelligence services behaviour/ that deliberately seeks to stoke up rebel uprisings and rioting etc. Let's face it there is quite a lot of evidence now to show that much of the activities/orders of the US administration have not served to quash terrorism but specifically designed to ferment it and bring about retaliation. There is also evidence that they ARE deliberately trying to bring about the apocalypse (think someone else mentioned this above) either to bring about the return of the saviour or to bring about the conditions for the UN to be able to fly in like a superhero to our rescue (one world government - slave planet (n) ).

The notion that they are "sloppy on purpose" I'm not sure - only when it suits them (i.e. not all the time), order out of chaos - yes - but they can't let it get too out of hand, i.e. total anarchy. And there are many techniques for "managing" these factual leaks or untruths, whilst carrying or regardless behind the scenes.

Many politicians/illuminati front men/scapegoats (by this I mean whoever carries the can for a leake/mistake/error) seem to favour the label of incompetence over being labelled as a liar (in the UK pick any resigning cabinet member over the last 5 years) "I forgot", "I wasn't aware/informed", "It was not clear at the time" OR they use a strategy of simple denial - "look at that shinny thing over there" , "henny penny the sky is falling", "la la la I can't hear you". (Lessons available from Rumsfeld, Scott Mclelland and Tony Snow $19.95/hr - lol).

I do think that government agencies do keep tracks on independent news outlets and underground conspiracy news networks etc. etc. and it does give them what they would see as valuable information about the reactions of some areas of the public, who don't engage with mainstream methods of information retrieval. Anyway, I'm beginning to ramble so better finish what I was thinking and summarise...

It makes me uncomfortable to think that people like us are being used as a tool to get the information out, because I just do not want to be devoting my time and energy to helping the tyrants/control freaks towards their goals.:(

I suppose at the end of the day we have to take ALL information with a pinch of salt to avoid falling into this trap. It is probably more important than ever, in doing what we do here to increasingly read between the lines, to realise how important it is to get multiple verifiable sources to back-up the facts but also that it is crucial to know the credibility of these sources in intimate detail. A source, be it a report or a person, it is important to know who funded that source, their motivations, their biases (political or otherwise) etc. Finally, I guess it is more important than ever with releases of "sensitive" information, on any subject, to know (or try to find out) the significance of it's timing and to compare this to similar past/historical info and releases. Only after considering all of the above can we truly see where a piece of information fits into the grand puzzle and we can help others and visitors here to see through the disinfo.

[What we/I/they do with the verified info is another question - if people have the truth they can make up their own minds and I would hope (maybe wrongly) that resistance in the form of all-out bloody rebellion and fighting (war) can be avoided.]

Those are some personal thoughts anyway, there are probably some of you who have a lot more experience of publishing and info verification than I.

-Chris

[resonate]

Yes!... I've been biting my tongue too, that's pretty much what I think.

If you've noticed, I don't post much on what I know of conspiracy theories, that is the reason. But, knowing these things are important in understanding the world, learning how to think, learning what YOU actually think and feel. These efforts by all of us are never wasted. Though, I think we have to be careful not to divide ourselves, that is all a new world artificial industrial slave order needs to come into being.

Getting hung up, or led by words is a difficult trap. We should all strive to know what we need and want deep down. These Labels we throw around are not the totality of the person or group. They are all just like us deep down, they are not "evil" or "psychopaths"... they are being afflicted by mental conditioning and detatchment from nature... just like all of us are.

"Fighting them" won't work. The system is weakening, that means the people will need to be stronger. People need to understand themselves first, and then they can begin to help each other be more independant from it's grip's... but first, you have to really want to, only then can you enable yourself to accept the responsibility that comes with it.

[Shinobi]

Thanks Chris. What happened to Osgorth btw ?
I know 'no' is somewhere out there :-)

[faust]

Quote:"Fighting them" won't work. The system is weakening, that means the people will need to be stronger. People need to understand themselves first, and then they can begin to help each other be more independant from it's grip's... but first, you have to really want to, only then can you enable yourself to accept the responsibility that comes with it.

We've never fought them to begin with, so how would we know if fighting them wont work? The system is strong, yet it is us who are weakening. We bicker like pubescent kids with over inflated egos, no wonder we cant move on, let alone fight

Agreed with the rest of your post

@Madizms, Osgorth is on sabbatical :biggrin:

[Shinobi]

You mean to tell me he's levitated to a church or something lol
Tell me, has he gone all jewish then ?

[009mj12]

Multi-decade, domestic grand theater, preemptive proactive operations.

[ephilution]

I've been thinking the same thing ever since I heard ole Donnie Rumsfeld foul up with his notorious slip of the tongue when he publicly announced that Flight 93 was shot down over Pennsylvania instead of having been forced to crash down by valiant passengers. If Flight 93 would have found its way to the White House then FEMA would've likely taken over the show called US Inc. and Martial Law would have become a reality. I suspect it was not accidental but that he 'misspoke' on purpose to stir the populace pot and force people that are capable of waking up to do just that.

I also must have mentioned it here on the boards a while back that the growing truth movement can be interpreted as the anti-thesis to mounting government's corruption (thesis) and if the former is under control of the same folks who command the thesis (by infiltration or from the get-go) then guess what? We again have a Hegelian Dialectical dish cooking on our stove where the synthesis may very well the police state brought about to full fruition and where human rights, of those who will remain standing, will have been sacrificed and traded in for 'security'.

[009mj12]

Could this be an ACTUAL counter-psychological operations theory thread(whatever that means to you).

I hope so!!!

[stanteau]

I reached the same conclusion a little while ago, there HAD to be a reason to fund Alex Jones and LC and blah blah blah and I DON'T think it's *only* the Jews, so I definitely think it's much much larger than that, and yeah, that's the plan, pure chaos.

I posted a while ago that if "we" did expose "them", even for just 9/11, it would send the world into pure anarchy, every country rebelling against it's governments, all currencies falling at record speed, and people who try to sound noble will say "yeah! Just like the dark ages, ya know, like in Fight Club," now I personally think man's achievements are amazing and I think all the awful shit this society has made could easily be used for good, so I would LOVE to see a peaceful ending to it all and a renouncement of all currency in favor of, ya know, actual charity which could lead to virtue for the individual and salvation for the Earth.

[SerialExpLain]

I think all one has to do is look to whose system is being smashed to bits. Well, we have the middle east, not good there. USA, not good. Russia, not too good. Indonesia, not good. China, not very good. Japan, not good. Australia, not good. Most of Africa, definitely not good. South America, not good.

Meanwhile, where is the power consolidating - Europe predominantly.

So, everyone knows that is the where high finance is.

I think the secret of the secret societies is that their secrets would ultimately be revealed. If they were dark intentioned secret societies then ultimately their NWO is essentially No-World -- Order, yeah... order in the sense that they are controlling it.

If they wanted peace and prosperity that would be what the world would be experiencing, BUT THEY DON'T.

And because of that fact that they don't it is easy to extrapolate from there that depopulation and sacrifice might mean something very esoteric to them.

Again, I believe sustainability is a lie that is being put forth.

Perhaps the void or Sirius or anywhere else but hell is all they hope for. What if all the hype on a possible alternative was simply funded by some very corrupted people who feared a deserved retribution?

So any alternative, promissing anything other than that was funded to the hilt until money buys an artificial reality. A literal stairway to a purchased "beyond" to their liking. But in the meantime, they just can't stop their atrocities because that is what corruption of power does.

So, essentially they put forth a lot of bull shit, but they can because they can afford to with all the riches of the world.

Supreme arrogance to think money can buy it all and power can change whatever they want. The simple fact is they did not create themselves, perhaps they run from that to a myriad of delusions.

[009mj12]

I suspect at times that TPTB underestimated just how, and how long the complicity of the people of the western world would take this. Are their eugenics programs inter-fearing with what they thought for sure would erupt into a continental wide riots, general strikes etc which would have been the perfect stage for the economic blow out.
Lets take a look at the two provocative people that appeared on the forum in the last couple days: Troy W. Virginia and adaptusaaf.
I do not believe Troy is just some moron, and I don't think AJ thinks so either(which makes him suspect, maybe, but I still listen, notta hater). Troy has spent TOO MUCH time, on to many programs, networks, forums etc(not to mention on hold) for any person that is totally rejecting an ideology. His actions do not match his profile.
As to adaptusaaf. I don't have to tell you what the repercussions of a 17 year old connected with this forum, who ends up doing some of the things he says he fantasizes about. It would be much much worse than what he intimates here. His dialectic cadence IMO is contradicting.
It's probably just my issues of self importance but I think that these two are here now because of trigger words and talk of flipping CENTCOM operations back on the establishment as well as organized private intel operations. B4 you dissmiss do a search on how many times centcom has been spoken of on this forum or talk of news manipulation for our own means. I'm sure a few of you are way ahead of me on this... I hope

[SerialExpLain]

Quote:Are their eugenics programs inter-fearing with what they thought for sure would erupt into a continental wide riots, general strikes etc which would have been the perfect stage for the economic blow out.

Of course that is the case. That and that everyone IS isolated and controlled. I don't know where you live but those GWEN-cell phone towers get closer and closer...What? Soon you wake up in the morning and find one on every street. Why? If someone turned the HAARP off, maybe the apathy would immediately leave. There certainly was no apathy during the Viet Nam era. Pre-computer communications into portals to who knows where or why.

DARPA = Total Information Awarness. Total = All of it. Total information = includes every little piece of everything everybody is saying + Awareness. So what? They are aware and do not care? They are aware and compile lists? They are trying to modify behaviors? They are trying to desensitize?

What are they doing with their TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS? A venue for sadistic mockery?

I really don't think it is because THEY are learning. They seem to have all their plans well in order.

[MrBS]

Let's smash the system anyway.

If I smash it and found out it was all a set-up, I still will be happy I smashed the fucking thing:D

[deathstickboy]

Quote:You mean to tell me he's levitated to a church or something lol
Tell me, has he gone all jewish then ?

From what I understand, he watched "The Secret" and took it very seriously. :ouch:

[deathstickboy]

Quote:Let's smash the system anyway.

If I smash it and found out it was all a set-up, I still will be happy I smashed the fucking thing:D

:biggrin: Agreed.