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eyeland · 09-30-2007, 12:55 AM

Apologies if this has already been seen and discussed but this is the first time I've seen it. Keep watching and the van is seen toward two minutes before the end.

here it is.

whitesand · 09-30-2007, 01:26 AM

Thanks for the link. Is anyone able to capture the video? or know a way to capture it?

LeveL · (This post was last modified: 09-30-2007 01:49 AM by LeveL.)

Quote:Thanks for the link. Is anyone able to capture the video? or know a way to capture it?

If I open that page in Opera browser, it downloads a FLV (Flash) file here:

C:\Documents and Settings\[Username]\Application Data\Opera\Opera\profile\cache4

Once its fully loaded you can copy the file to wherever you want, but only if its finished downloading.

Its 76.2 MB (79,946,889 bytes)

BTW theres gonna be thousands of files in that Opera cache (thats if you're even using Opera browser) but just put the folder on "Details View" and sort the files by size, its bound to be the biggest file in that folder.

TeslaandLyne · (This post was last modified: 10-02-2007 04:41 AM by TeslaandLyne.)

http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/bartv...otage_9_11.aspx

on that page, the video source seems to be:

src="/v/S5hyKqxNYmKjbYAHfVUI4cegTOzyzwEqNJbUOOdGJxNK1clFlWKLyCK45TfJublNfp/v.aspx"

Around 9:25 Manhattan Demolition red truck.

On call for the WTC 7 job last upgrade.

hilly7 · 10-02-2007, 04:18 AM

Never seen it before, good find, thanks.

~~MrBS~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-02-2007 06:21 AM by MrBS.)

Download from ConCen tracker here

Most interesting part is this should hopefully shutup the "No Plane" fuckwits... but I bet it won't.....

I think the "demolition" van of Manhattan Demolition just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - i.e. coincidence. A real one this time, not like those 1,000 other so-called coincidences for 9/11.

I still think those towers were bought down by demolitons...that's right, demolitions - not space beams (perhaps the next port of call for these NoPlaneFuckers).

Also if you look at this photo of a Manhattan Demolition van (apparently taken 23-FEB-06) you'll see the cheap bastards still have the twin towers as part of their logo !!

MC David · 10-03-2007, 09:22 PM

Quote:Most interesting part is this should hopefully shutup the "No Plane" fuckwits... but I bet it won't.....

Is there actual footage of the engine falling in the video besides just audio? (Question for everyone since Mr. BS is rarely responsive or helpful)

hilly7 · 10-03-2007, 09:46 PM

I've never seen one lately but it seems that there was a part of an engine not falling but on the ground when it actually happened. Kind of one of those short views like when they asked a guy and he mentioned a series of explosions below where he was. Brief at best. Who knows though, I could be wrong.

MC David · 10-03-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:I've never seen one lately but it seems that there was a part of an engine not falling but on the ground when it actually happened. Kind of one of those short views like when they asked a guy and he mentioned a series of explosions below where he was. Brief at best. Who knows though, I could be wrong.

Yeah I think I've seen something like that before, I only heard it in this video though. I don't see it. I don't see how no planes would have worked though because 1. why would they expose all the explosions in the building if they had this ability to fake 2. how did all that paper, which appears to be coming primarily out of the plane get faked 3. engine. There's something to the 'tv fakery' evidence though, they did have fake witnesses to the actual crashes.

hilly7 · 10-04-2007, 12:06 AM

Yea, I agree that there are plenty of fakes and I'm sure it's all one sided. The news both tells us soundbites and how we should process the bits we're allowed.

There are certainly a lot of bull, like cell phones in the planes working and what's the luck that the right material just happened to be not only saved but found from the hijackers? The planes were the outside show but the inside demo was the inside show.

Some of the witnesses were fake but then some were probably just looking for their 15 minutes of fame and some real. The mixture is confusing which is exactly what they set out to do.

~~MrBS~~ · 10-04-2007, 12:59 AM

Quote:Is there actual footage of the engine falling in the video besides just audio? (Question for everyone since Mr. BS is rarely responsive or helpful)

I thought spending the time to upload the video to the tracker in a timely response was very responsive and very helpful.

So are you suggesting because you don't see the engine fall that there was still no plane?

What do you need for evidence? A video of a cameraman getting squashed by one?

They've had 6 years to fake this video I suppose........ do you think the "Manhattan Demolition" van was a useful CGI inserted by "Controlled Demolition" to get everyone off of the track?

MC David · 10-04-2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:
Quote:Is there actual footage of the engine falling in the video besides just audio? (Question for everyone since Mr. BS is rarely responsive or helpful)
I thought spending the time to upload the video to the tracker in a timely response was very responsive and very helpful.

So are you suggesting because you don't see the engine fall that there was still no plane?

What do you need for evidence? A video of a cameraman getting squashed by one?

They've had 6 years to fake this video I suppose........ do you think the "Manhattan Demolition" van was a useful CGI inserted by "Controlled Demolition" to get everyone off of the track?

No not really, I just said that preemptively because I assumed that if I posed the question only to you there was a good chance I'd get some sort of an insult as a response based off past experience.

~~MrBS~~ · 10-04-2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:No not really, I just said that preemptively because I assumed that if I posed the question only to you there was a good chance I'd get some sort of an insult as a response based off past experience.

Hmmm. Don't know where you got that idea.

Perhaps you'd like to hook me up with some links so I can self-analyse myself and attempt to become a better person.

As far as I'm aware the only people I've ever insulted are those I have absolute contempt for, i.e.

Those who have crazy beliefs (i.e. religion).

Those who through stupidity or counter purposes spread obviously complete bullshit to anyone with half a brain and the ability to think logically - e.g. "no planes hit the WTC".

Those who try to subvert or discourage the free expression of others - insulting was invented exactly to counter free-speech you don't agree with.

stanteau · (This post was last modified: 10-04-2007 04:43 PM by stanteau.)

I just wanna say, said plane engine (which I'm assuming everyone is talking about this one http://home.att.net/~south.tower/STengin...11-11.jpg) was underneath an untouched canopy. Either it (a) flew in at an amazing angle, (B)hit the ground, rolled, and stopped just before hitting the wall, or © was planted after the fact.

Also, I just wanna know, but do people who shit on no-planers think that no-planers don't believe in controlled demolition or something?

EDIT: And how would you feel, Mr. BS, if you were derogatorily called a "fuckwit" without ever doing anything? Conspiracy researchers are assumed to carry a certain weight of respectability to themselves to help stave off flimsy accusations against out characters, you sound like some pissed off 15 year old most of the time.

EDIT 2: Not saying anything about it, but the video has edits throughout and an attempted swift edit at 8:06-8:12 showing that this film has been processed, Infinite-did that paper come from the plane or the office buildings (that would have had an outward explosion at this time if the no-plane theory is correct), and towards the end he gets to a pretty impressive angle, there is no time code but both towers are standing so it was within the hour that he did all of that, and remember this is supposed to be an amateur just shooting randomly, and if not please provide a link to who did shoot it.

Dave52 · 10-05-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:Most interesting part is this should hopefully shutup the "No Plane" fuckwits... but I bet it won't.....

Actually I have to agree with Stanteau on this one. This is a new and interesting video, but it has just thrown up more questions for the no-planers. For example, you hear the screech of the second plane, but you don't see anything. The sound is inconsistant with other videos, in fact I don't think I've heard two the same yet (even taking into account the different positions of the cameras).

You don't see the engine fly in, it's just there after a cut, and even the planers have doubts about the authenticity of the engine in question.

Why has this taken so long to surface...? It could be fake from start to finish for all I know, it's a short video that took longer to produce than the entire Lord Of The Rings trilogy, and I have to say that those walking, talking, fighting trees looked pretty convincing to me.