Who Really Started the WW2?

[Shinobi]

I wouldnt mind a pdf of that book any time soon if any one has it
*pretty please*

As yeti said clear as can be 'Banksters'
which is why I want to check this book out and see who it mentions
Thanks!

[ephilution]

Quote:

Quote:Hitler was brought to power by the Catholic Church and borrowed heavily from the Jesuit Order in order to set up his beloved SS elite fighting force. The communistic regime headed by Stalin was founded on the principles of Karl Marx, a Jewish author who was tutored by Jesuits in London. The Jesuits controlled both Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia through proxy. Both sides in the military dialectic that followed were funded heavily by the American Federal Reserve, which was also founded and controlled by the Jesuits. The bloody carnage called WWII that followed was yet another example of Hegelian Dialectics secretly set up and orchestrated through proxy at the behest of the Vatican using their favorite and most loyal of henchmen, the Jesuits. Besides generally weakening all involved states the war particularly served to destroy Protestant Germany, Orthodox Russia and Serbia, create the state of Israel, and to finally render Japan into the hands of the Jesuits once and for all. Lastly WWII served to supplant the failed League of Nations by the fresh and successful United Nations.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?s=...ost&p=96977

No convincing arguments nor evidence to back up these claims. I dont believe at all these claims about Jesuits.

Fair enough, I will make a miniature case study out of it. More to follow shortly.

The beauty of it all is that the thesis of Jesuitical behind-the-scenes orchestration is not necessarily in conflict with the thesis you expound in this thread of Russia being the prime threat to European state integrity. The former thesis attempts to lift up the curtain a little further than the latter and that's basically all.

[LeveL]

Hitler and Stalin were puppets. The only time any of them was ever going to attack the other would be if their "advisors" told them to do that. Who really started WW2? The bankers who were funding both sides and buying up the devalued land for pennies on the dollar afterwards.

Que Bono - who benefits?

Hint: Not Hitler or Stalin, or the public of Germany or Russia, those that lived to see 1945 that is.

[ephilution]

Quote:Hitler and Stalin were puppets. The only time any of them was ever going to attack the other would be if their "advisors" told them to do that. Who really started WW2? The bankers who were funding both sides and buying up the devalued land for pennies on the dollar afterwards.

Que Bono - who benefits?

Hint: Not Hitler or Stalin, or the public of Germany or Russia, those that lived to see 1945 that is.

Sure, the bankers profited greatly from WWII as they always do financing both sides of any armed conflict. War is big business. They are however not the sole profiteers from the exploits of war. Apart from the other obvious beneficiaries such as arms producers there is also a religious aspect to this conflict.

At the end of WWII, Protestant Germany (Prussia) lay in shambles as exemplified most dramatically by Dresden having been leveled through callous and redundant acts of firebombing. The Orthodox Russian Church and the Serbian Orthodox Church were dealt severe blows as well. As were the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima which offered housing to relatively large concentrations of Christians (according to Eric Jon Phelps). The mere decimation of Protestant and Orthodox Christians only served the interests of one meta-institution: the Roman Catholic Church, which vowed to destroy the Reformation as expressed most clearly by the notorious Council of Trent.

[TeslaandLyne]

The Nazis and the Pope (Jesuits):

Quote:The Nazis were the pawns for a far more sinister authority—the Vatican, the Society of Jesus (Jesuit Order) and the “Black Pope.”

See Here

ED: I see one looker on as I put in this edit extra.
Perhaps the Jesuits knew of the stolen Tesla ripoffs going into development
in Germany and found the Zionists in control and now get bashed by Nazis
as they continue to bash Nazis in present day America.

From that link:

Quote:The likelihood of George Herbert Walker becoming a player in that elite financial circle was remote, unless that association had been orchestrated beforehand, probably by the Jesuits in England.

The word: probably... I went through a whole story today and ended up with not
much more than that if Eisenhower had an meeting with the Alien King.

[Shinobi]

^And they're still doing it now.

Funny enough ephilution I was reading up on the catholic and orthodox
yesterday and I came across this....

Remember the word that I said to you,
'A servant is not greater than his master.'
If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.
John 15:20


The 'Persecuted' Patriarchs of the Russian Orthodox Churches
(check out the fancy threads of their claimed Master, above!)

Do a search of those words on this site here
http://www.novalight.org and the journey will begin

The site is mostly zionist research based but it has just about everything
else on there too! have a good read - Its one of the best sources I came across so far out there.

[TeslaandLyne]

Sorry MaDiZmS..

I subverted my Jesuit indication with and edit, I saw you online.
That link had little to back up the Jesuit bash except wild accusations.
The only one later was money laundering.
Now how where they supposed to know that Bush relative was a Nazi.
Going back to that link.

ED:

Quote:Remember the word that I said to you,
'A servant is not greater than his master.'
If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.
John 15:20

I checked that out, lot more to it but it may refer to people playing God,
because they can.. with the free will God gave them, and in doing so
hate God and the people who keep God as their God.

So looks like a few players that are knocking off a lot of ones close to the God they
are supposed to be near yet to their demise.

[TeslaandLyne]

Quote:Records show the property was purchased in 1899 by GHW, though the main house was not built until 1903, when Paul M. Warburg first came to the U.S. The location of Walker’s Point was suitable for the logistics GHW would soon conduct on behalf of his Jesuit mentors at Stonyhurst College.

Centuries of research has consistently reinforced claims that the Jesuit Order has been advancing an evil plot for world domination since its founding in 1540 . Following is my overview of that research as it pertains to the “creation” of “our” 41st president:

The Jesuits: Stoneyhurst College is known as a “Catholic” institution with a primarily Jesuit influence; the college boasts of its association with the Society of Jesus. The Society of Jesus, or the “Jesuits,” proclaims its “service” to the Vatican and to mankind by “assisting the downtrodden through education.” [44]

Further investigation reveals that the Pope is covertly controlled by the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, Peter Hans Kolvenbach—the Black Pope. The General Curia (administrative offices where Jesuit business is conducted) is located in “Rome,” more specifically, within the Vatican.

Following the dictates of Ignatius Loyola’s “25 Sessions” and the leadership of the Superior General, the ultimate goal of this secret organization is to “destroy and rebuild the Temple of Solomon, reestablishing the seat of the Pope in Israel.”

Historically, the Jesuit mission has been to eliminate Protestant Christianity throughout the world, with the United States being the last frontier to be conquered. Contrary to the self-proclaimed mission to educate and assist the underprivileged in society, the Jesuits actually worship Lucifer (not Satan) and practice the most sadistic forms of human sacrifice, homosexuality, pedophilia, black magic, and murder.

Same link as before, supposed to be a Tesla topic.

Wow, got to analyze this one.

More, sounds too Masonic and Zeitgeist to absolve the Nazis and the spy family Bush.

Quote:The Society employs a variety of ruthless tactics to accomplish its long-term goal (of a New World Order which pays homage to their Black Pope). One is carrying out political assassinations of world leaders who refuse to comply with its demands. These assassinations in the U.S. have included presidents (Abraham Lincoln, JFK), cabinet members, congressmen, senators, diplomats, journalists, scientists and religious and business leaders.

For purposes of obfuscation and maintaining a spirit of compliance, the Society of Jesus employs (and finances) the services of the NSA, DHS, FEMA, OSS, ONI, FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA, the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, NASA, the Federal Reserve, the Internal Revenue Service, the Congress, and other Federal agencies as deemed necessary.

Foreign military and intelligence agencies under their control include the German SS, Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst (underground Abwehr/DVD), the British MI6 and MI5, the Israeli Mossad, NATO, Interpol, the KGB, the Chilean DINA, and even the United Nations, to name a few.

Assassinations are carried out by the aforementioned intelligence agencies and their Mafia partners in the drug and gambling trades, often with collateral assistance from the Knights of Malta, the Freemasons, the Knights of Columbus, and Propaganda Due (P2). Such was the case in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and some former Popes.

Political leaders, whether duly elected or corruptly appointed, are replaced by dictatorships favorable to the Society. Those governments with concordats are allowed to subsist without threat of war, though that policy often changes when revolutionary movements begin to receive international recognition. Often, the simple refusal to allow the Society to reap the profits of the illegal drug trade is enough to spark a civil war or a clandestine paramilitary incursion.

The Society considers declaring one’s individual sovereignty, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and civil rights to be anathema to its doctrine while seeking to crush Protestant Christianity, the basis for the creation of the United States. The dismantling of the U.S. government is the key to their ultimate success in the creation of a New World Order.

GHW was obviously recruited to assist the Jesuits with their long-range plans and, as a result, he (and those with whom he did business) profited immensely from his cooperation in the Jesuits’ plans.

[Rod]

I can simplify this debate even further, why even look at Stalin or Hitler. They were both minions of the Rothschilds, as are the Communist and Fascist regimes/ideology they created out of thin air.

Source: Andrew Hitchcock - The History of the House of Rothschild

Quote:1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.

Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776.

[Shinobi]

Take a look at the whole site TeslaandLyne.

[SerialExpLain]

Quote:I can simplify this debate even further, why even look at Stalin or Hitler. They were both minions of the Rothschilds, as are the Communist and Fascist regimes/ideology they created out of thin air.

Source: Andrew Hitchcock - The History of the House of Rothschild


QUOTE
1848: Karl Marx, an Ashkenazi Jew, publishes, "The Communist Manifesto." Interestingly at the same time as he is working on this, Karl Ritter of Frankfurt University was writing the antithesis which would form the basis for Freidrich Wilhelm Nietzsche's, "Nietzscheanism." This Nietzecheanism was later developed into Fascism and then into Nazism and was used to forment the first and second world wars.

Marx, Ritter, and Nietzsche were all funded and under the instruction of the Rothschilds. The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies to enable them to divide larger and larger factions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other, and particularly, to destroy all political and religious institutions. The same plan put forward by Weishaupt in 1776.

That quote says it all.

[Shinobi]

I thought yeti already said it to be honest . . . .

[Rod]

Quote:I thought yeti already said it to be honest . . . .

He did, I just put names and dates to it.

[Shinobi]

I wasnt disrespecting you atall Rod :-)
indeed you named the names.

[ephilution]

@Kon3v: If Stalin was preparing to invade Europe then how do you explain this:

Quote:Stalin also purged the military leadership, executing a large percentage of the officer corps and leaving the U.S.S.R. unprepared when World War II broke out. In an effort to avoid war with Germany, Stalin agreed to a non-aggression pact with German leader Adolf Hitler in August 1939.

When Hitler invaded the U.S.S.R. on June 22, 1941, Stalin was not seen or heard from for two weeks. After addressing the nation two weeks later, Stalin took command of his troops.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cold.war/kba...es/stalin/

If I were Stalin, I would like to think that in order to invade Europe with the highest measure of success the last thing I would've condoned is the execution of a good portion of my military command structure.