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jack · 10-06-2007, 04:21 AM

Well I just watched "The Secret." The law of attraction, positive thoughts = positive results, I heard this all before yet is was described in a much better way in the video than I had ever heard before.
Aside from it focusing so much on goods and cash, I enjoyed it and found it to be harmless, perhaps even helpful.

Ok, I must admit that I had previously decided that 'the secret' must somehow be bad, an occult deception. I had fallen into the trap of listening to others, namely Berit Kjos & Lynn Stuter.

I like Kjos research on NWO and the coming socialist system, she has lots of good articles that I think appear to be likely correct. And Stuter does a good job on education, School-to-Work; the Cradle to Grave Agenda, again I think her research in this area seems likely correct.

Anyhow, I had read articles by each putting down 'the secret' - http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/stut...ret-new-age.htm & http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/spiritualit...ails/secret.htm So since I respected these women I took their word for it that it must be bad somehow.

I could find absolutely nothing in the video, to beware of. Nothing. It didn't deny God!
Feeling good, and positive energy aren't frightening.
It instructed you to begin by being grateful, nothing wrong with that.
In fact if they left out most of the wealth gathering, applied the name Jesus Christ as to where your thanks should be delivered and used the word god in place of "universe" it could be something that one might hear at church, well, pentecostal or church of god, at least.

I'll try to remember in the future that people who seem to know about some things don't necessarily know about other things.

So what are they so scared of ?

Some christians beliefs/faith seem so fragile that they attack before they even look at what their attacking. This fear should be worked on if they want to attract others to Christ, as opposed to turning them away.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-06-2007 05:48 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Hi Jack,

I disagree that Christians are scared of anything in this world :wink: What was requested was the preaching of the Gospels to all the nations (that probably has already been fulfilled) the rest is in God's hands and Scripture assures that all those with their name in the Book of Life will be saved, so that is really a fait acompli.

But the times they are a changing and as long as one is human it is most apparent that the "secret" had to be kept "secret" because it was sheer evil. And I am not talking about the video or book either but instead, this:

http://www.tribwatch.com/aquarian.htm

Now, we can all do what David Icke says and think positive loving thoughts, but be aware that not everyone has the capacity for that. That oneness thing is the BIG LIE. But in actuality, Scripture will tell you all you need to know about what is to come.

The key to understanding Scripture is that Jesus was addressing mankind. Now, all those on the left hand side at the White Throne judgement don't even get a say. Wonder why? Its that bad. Its not what they did, it was what they were -- psychopaths -- risen to the pinnacles of power because it was a system that only advanced such and it wasn't just to hang out in the shadows unfortunately. That is not the nature of The Beast. Those gleeful in others suffering for their short burst of power on earth paying for it with their eternity. They do not tell lies, but ARE LIE.

You live in a country that allows the DIA and Georgia Guidestones as a monument to their intention at depopulation. They don't even care if you know who wants this....they told us all what it was all about and who was responsible for the monuments. (Hint: Its the gargoyle -- NOT HUMAN...not part of mankind).

And when you read the link in the post, you can see how long it was planned for.

hilly7 · 10-06-2007, 06:42 AM

Jack, I consider myself a Christian, maybe not a good one but one, but one none the less. I'd have to say your right on your summation. I think a lot of times it may be because they have more faith in their preacher or church than God. I do believe in positive thinking but that can only get you so far. Maybe it's just me but I think it's gotten a bit twisted. I think we use God way too much as a crutch sometimes or as a personal slave.
I remember a church my aunt went to, never went there myself, and she got a lot of faith. The bad part was where and whom they taught her to have faith in. With Brain Cancer, she couldn't do any more than crawl to the alter. They all told her that she would be healed if she believed. When it didn't happen they told her that her faith wasn't strong enough. Shortly after, she died. The sad part was is that it turned her son off to God. Of course I'm sure they'd probably say he was damned anyway.
I think more often than not religion is used as excuses and used as a means to think if you pray hard enough you'll get your way. I laugh when I see 2 teams praying to God to win a ball game. People with a weak religion or faith unfounded often are ready to swing at anything that seems against the false teachings taught in many churches today. Then again, Christians seemingly are attacked more than most religions. People can get away with downing Christianity but try that with Jewish faith and suddenly your a bad person. It seems, especially atheist attack Christian threads making them look like asses and insecure. Funny how there is a double standard, they can call us stuff, ridicule us, attack us yet we are bad people if we do the same. If I see a thread that discusses someone's religion ( except Satrjade's ) and I read I do so to learn, not chastise. In the end we account only for ourselves and our thoughts and actions so unless someone does something to me or someone I care about I could care less, I am not accountable for them.
Personally I think your right though, nothing like seeing a Pagan fish symbol or a cross or bumper sticker on a car that is flipping people off, crowding for position or attacking something without even knowing about it. For those not secure in their religion, any religion or none, they seem to attack from what I could only say either fear, confusion or ignorance. But that's just what I think.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-06-2007 07:07 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Or maybe they've heard about the conspiracy... Wolves in sheep's clothing, you can always spot an imposter it doesn't take them long to start deviating from the KJV -- because inherently they loathe that message.

Isn't it obvious, that the Accuser set up to pick out those PAGAN symbols....smells of masonic or other conspirators? No. Don't you think the link said it all?

The message of the Bible is there are two - mankind and psychopaths. And they will never get along.
News flash = the psychopaths are currently in complete control OF ALL MEDIA. That is why there is such an increase in violence and cruelty as you see that increase in media, hence it does in the populace. The age of Aquarius is the age of the psychopath and all that implies, but they will be glad to lie and try to spread their "oneness" crap - it goes against all laws of reality - look around -- see any oneness? Add more HAARP and EMF and mind-control - they will never get a consensus of oneness. Oneness to them means something totally different and very very nefarious, and yes it includes high tech and new physics.

What do the Shriners have on their heads, what does that little fez represent?

jack · 10-06-2007, 07:10 AM

Hi right back to you SE. :smile:
I'm abit confused at your meaning. That's a longish read, I only scanned it for now, will look shortly.

I personally don't buy into the whole "we're all inter connected" idea, and they stated that so briefly in "the secret" video that I had already forgotten that they said so.
Wheat and chaff are not connected, obviously.
I can see how some might be influenced by that idea, however my point was, that the video was basically harmless. I have no idea about the book, haven't read it, don't plan to. Perhaps it was the book itself they were referring to, probably was, but that vid was harmless.

I expected something more sinister after reading their articles. I found nothing to it that should prompt one to write about it being dangerous, but again they're probably talking about the book, maybe it goes way into the love/oneness thing. If so then I too, would say bull shit. I don't think that we are all one.
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?2 Corinthians 6:14

As far as being positive in thought in feeling, which is basically all the vid had, well, that is a good thing. Feeling good and being positive is good for wheat and chaff, sheep and goats. The world is nicer when people feel good, and the world is where we are presently living, I want it to be as nice as possibly for everyone, especially since so many children live on it.

back to your link (bare in mind that i haven't read it yet)- but it appeared to have alot about false teaching in the church, this I agree with, which is one reason that I don't belong to or attend any. I have never found one that actually preached what I read in the bible.
I gave up on that a long time ago, as far as I can tell they all teach some manner of lies. Maybe on purpose maybe not, I think many really believe that they know what they're talking about.

Sometimes I wonder if pastors really even read and think on scripture, or do they just read commentary to back up false beliefs.
One good example is going to heaven/hell when we die, I haven't found that anywhere in the bible. It says we'll all die and rest/sleep until judgment day, then we will be resurrected.
examples - 1 Corinthians 15 and of course Ecclesiastes.

jack · 10-06-2007, 07:21 AM

Gee, I'm really gonna have to learn to type faster, when I started SE onlyv had replyed, I'm too slow.

I agree with you hilly7

Quote:I remember a church my aunt went to, never went there myself, and she got a lot of faith. The bad part was where and whom they taught her to have faith in. With Brain Cancer, she couldn't do any more than crawl to the alter. They all told her that she would be healed if she believed. When it didn't happen they told her that her faith wasn't strong enough. Shortly after, she died. The sad part was is that it turned her son off to God. Of course I'm sure they'd probably say he was damned anyway.

That's too bad.
I've heard that alot myself, like others know how much faith one has, or if God has favor on them or not.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-06-2007 07:45 AM by SerialExpLain.)

I think it is very important to be socialized in society and professional in business and obviously spread kindness as much as possible. However, what has allowed the conspiracy to flourish is naively believing in artifice which isn't kindness at all it is simply how people behave in society -- much having to do with the fact that laws were in place so psychopaths could not act-out all over the place well in view of lawmakers of all varieties, bosses, police, etc. However, as the NWO shows their hand that doesn't mean that they really weren't acting-out -- it was all done in secret. So, now society post 9/11 can finally find out the truth and it is uglier than anyone could imagine.

But then again, why do they think Captain William Morgan was murdered? But now it is simply too late -- THEY have assumed control -- only for the purposes of depopulation. Does that mean they will descend EVERYWHERE to do this....no, Jack....the serpent is always subtely duplicitous doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I agree that here in the US, there is a big difference from state to state on how socialized the populace is. NYC has to be highly socialized and it is and it is a really awesome city. New England I find to be really awesome with kind polite people and a general good experience had socially.

Where I live, you simply want to kill someone within 5 mins being out among them. They are rude, crude, aggressive, possessed of low IQ and trecherous -- by nature. (Must be a heavy ethnic thing -- and I'm not kidding or some bizarre X-files type experiment on a group of people but they are hive-like or is that just how that behavior comes off.) And it is not that I haven't been to a lot of other states, but this one is really diabolical, but then again I instinctively knew that this place was like that at five. I don't know how or why, but I knew. And I have to state, it is totally different in the cities of the state which are actually awesomely socialized and inhabited by a totally different populace than where I actually live.

See what I am saying Jack. It is very much like the movie Night Watch, the way it really works and there is something that makes control-freak psychopaths want to distort and corrupt the Word.

The truth is if you break it down to exactly how it is at the end that should answer everbodies religious questions - left-hand side = goats -- right-hand side = sheep. It was never about religion. There will be sheep among whatever religion, but if you are evil you are born that way. It is as glaringly obvious as the storyline in the movie The Good Son. That one movie will tell anybody all they ever need to know about life, about religion, about the way things really are as opposed to how they appear.

jack · 10-06-2007, 07:45 AM

Quote:Where I live, you simply want to kill someone within 5 mins being out among them. They are rude, crude, aggressive, possessed of low IQ and trecherous -- by nature. (Must be a heavy ethnic thing -- and I'm not kidding or some bizarre X-files type experiment on a group of people but they are hive-like or is that just how that behavior comes off.) And it is not that I haven't been to a lot of other states, but this one is really diabolical, but then again I instinctively knew that this place was like that at five. I don't know how or why, but I knew. And I have to state, it is totally different in the cities of the state which are actually awesomely socialized and inhabited by a totally different populace than where I actually live.

You make me curious of where you live.

Quote:It is very much like the movie Night Watch, the way it really works.

haven't seen it

Quote:NYC has to be highly socialized and it is and it is a really awesome city. New England I find to be really awesome with kind polite people and a general good experience had socially.

never been to New England, I have been to NYC thought, I hated it, thought people were very rude. I asked a hot dog vender directions and his response " Hey lady, can't you see I'm trying to run a F**king business here" others were no better. They seemed to hate the tourists and with my strong hillbilly accent I can't blend in as a native new yorker. Don't like New Jersey either.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-06-2007 07:57 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Really, see everytime I went to NYC I had a really good experience. I spent 2000 New Years Eve partying with people from NYC that I met there early in the evening and they were incredibly awesome and really generous too. And they tallked extensively about what living in the city was like and damn made me want to live there.

Obviously, people's experiences may be subjective what they value in an interchange but I will tell you this where I live is scary X-files Blair Witch--bad. Ain't kidding. Maybe it was something in the water or soil or inbreeding but it is a very fucked-up place by anybodies standard. Only people who are not from here get along with the other people who are not from here and the rest are all the same -- really ignorant, really aggresive, coarse and trecherous. Its like they are too stupid to do evil right so it is particularly annoying.

Like there is no Devil's Advocate-type charm to the place.

jack · 10-06-2007, 08:23 AM

Quote:Really, see everytime I went to NYC I had a really good experience. I spent 2000 New Years Eve partying with people from NYC that I met there early in the evening and they were incredibly awesome and really generous too. And they tallked extensively about what living in the city was like and damn made me want to live there.

Maybe it's changed I've visited the city 3 times now, since last year. Always leaves me wanting to go back home.
Each time I started from NJ, now I don't like it there, yet, to me it was like getting on a train in NJ and getting of in hell.
Don't missunderstand me not everyone was rude and cold, but lots and lots.
If you ask someone directions here they give them to you.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-07-2007 12:44 AM by SerialExpLain.)

If NYC has changed in recent times that's really too bad to hear because there are so many people sardined together there.

Last time I was there, it was for thanksgiving in the Bronx -- in and out. Was interesting because the house was in this one "good" neighborhood. The woman's husband was a 5th Ave. attorney and they alway lived there as the slums encroached closer and closer. The Bronx is a real trip. It was Thanksgiving so everybody was double parked and the streets looked like big old parking lots. You stop at a light and get descended upon by people begging, etc., the Bronx is a snapshot of urban blight but to me North Phili is still way worse than the Bronx. Boston is awesome...laid out really fucked up though, hard to get around in. Cambridge is way cool.

Maybe I alway just liked cities a lot. I really loved New Orleans to. Maybe it is just me, and all the stimulation brings out the best in me or something.

harmonius · 10-06-2007, 10:18 AM

Okay, I posted this in different thread a while back, but I think it is just as pertinent here and now.

God I hate the secret It's pure BS plain and simple.:suspicious: :pfft::rolleyes:

Quote:The Secret is some of the most dangerous shit that can float around. No joke.

I have a friend who has watched it like 17 times or something and is convinced he is going to win the lottery just by asking the universe real hard. As if everyone else who buys a ticket wants to lose...

I had to stop the movie as I watched it about every two minutes to point out serious contradictions, quotes used out of context and general lunacy. In fact the movie pissed me off so much, while asleep I was having dreams of ranting against it and debunking it. My friend stayed over that night and confirmed my dreams because I had been cursing and railing against it by talking and yelling in my sleep.

My friend pointed out the biggest flaw in the secret and the law of attraction. Namely calling it 'the secret.' Wouldn't the law of attraction resonate the secret to an even more secret status so that no one should know about it at all? Or maybe I have read about logical fallacies one too many times?

The elite love stuff like this that turns off peoples minds.

Law of attraction my ass. Law of distraction is more like it.

This shit is so dangerous I would say it makes GWB look like a Teletubby. And the reason I say this is because of the following article written by one of the proponents of the film. As I read it, I finally understood how I can use the secret to rationalize a psychotic break into a mass sociopathic genocide much like the illuminati want to create. It is so easy to do we could all participate without guilt. YES, NO GUILT AT ALL! Wouldn't that be wonderful? I am glad the author cleared up the confusion around the secret and let us in on real reality.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/08/t...-of-attraction/

That guy should be on thorazine! Stat!

I almost feel like paying him a visit with a baseball bat to the side of the head to help him realize that he must have really wanted to create that experience for himself biggrin.gif

Also here are some wonderful articles on the subject of the secret that I think must be read by all interested.

http://julianwalkeryoga.zaadz.com/blog/2...ual_cinema

http://julianwalkeryoga.zaadz.com/blog/2...al_mystery

http://julianwalkeryoga.zaadz.com/blog/2...n_antidote

I would also recommend just clicking around the links and readin further about related issues especially the pre/trans fallacy.

I wish the secret were really true so that I could use it to make the secret disappear from reality forever! Unfortunately...

It's at time like these I feel despair creeping ever so gently into my soul. Does humanity honestly have a chance?

MMM

~~SerialExpLain~~ · 10-06-2007, 11:45 AM

The Secret reminds me of my "witch" phase and all the candles I burned.....boxes and boxes of the damned things.

Oh, and I got some phenomenal results too. I got every last damn thing I asked for. But, really when I did a money spell it ALWAYS worked.

hilly7 · 10-06-2007, 02:14 PM

jack, never seen or heard of The Secret but finally viewed it. I think from a Christian perspective it's no different than Zionest claiming to believe in the same God as Christians. There are good points in it but then again so did Bush, Hitler, Rothschild and other evil people. They mask it under Christianity which can lead some astray not well founded in their beliefs and it pretty much a mockery of Christianity. This New Age stuff is founded and sponsored but a new movement, called New World Order. If it turned you off to Christianity then it served it's purpose well.

One another note, we got to go to NY this year and while not there very long, I found the people to be the friendliest people I have ever been around. Would like to go back someday and spend some time there. Interesting ... I'm what most would call a Hillbilly and have a strong Tennessee accent, born, bred and raised in the foothills of the mountains. People talk different but are every bit as nice as where I live. Interesting you call yourself a Hillbilly, makes me wonder where your from. People actually born and bred here usually don't refer to ourselves as Hillbillies or Rednecks, it's an insult from an outsider, kinda like nigger said a a black man to a black man is acceptable, but not from a white man to a black man.

jack · 10-06-2007, 05:53 PM

OK, I still think that often christians, and others are too fast to put down things that conflict with their viewpoint and I think this frequently turns others away instead of convincing them.

When I watched the vid I expected more than "law of attraction" I'm already familiar with the concept of good thoughts and feelings = good results, however I think that it's mostly BS self help type babble, like to say "you can't hurt me, only I can allow you to hurt me" or "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me". Well of course there is some truth to that, but others can and do hurt peoples feeling, it is reality.
It is also true that when you have a positive outlook, your life is more pleasant, this is really what I got out of the film (guess I'm just not as deep as the rest of you guys) I didn't take it that seriously.

I hope we can atleast agree that the world would be a better place to live if there were more positive and less negative.

Being a parent I am most concerned for the future of my children and others. I wish they could all grow up in some kind of fairy tale, dream world, be happy and have fun. It is so depressing to realize that their future here will hold such state control, and global conflict.
I really want everyone to live in a good environment, I don't like seeing others suffer, due to things that we have very little control of like governments.
For example I'm tired of the anti-america stuff everywhere, it's placed out there and gives the impression that we're all morally depraved and greedy. Not so !
Maybe the rule and policy makers but not most of the people. Just like people in Iraq are not Sadam, or people in Israel, nor all jews, are not all out to destroy the world, we can't blame every thing on them.

That said, I looked at maximus_minimus_mediumus first link, the others didn't work, and saw a side that I had not considered.

Quote:Subjective reality is a belief system in which (1) there is only one consciousness, (2) you are that singular consciousness, and (3) everything and everyone in your reality is a projection of your thoughts.

Yes, this idea can be dangerous, and it's quite ridiculous to think reality is entirely based on thoughts and feeling.

Telling others that everything is their own fault due to their mental projection is as silly as church members saying your hard luck is a lack of faith. I believe a large part, if not most, of what goes on around us, is out of our control.

So I guess I'm wrong again:blush:, the idea of someone watching that video over and over, coupled with believe that those around you aren't really real, just avatars, can be quite destructive, and yes, I suppose that would make their plight guilt free for the one practicing law of attraction.

I still think that if people were more secure in their beliefs, that they would be less affected by different beliefs, and taken more seriously.

hilly7 I'm going to respond to NYC christianity and where I'm from shortly.