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jack · 10-09-2007, 01:30 AM

Quote:Because Christian leaders are afraid of being exposed as frauds; so they have to use propaganda to attack anything that they see as a threat, and effectively use fear to keep their sheep in line.

Well what do you know, someone put this back on topic.

rsol · 10-09-2007, 02:37 AM

Christianity and its followers have trouble because of science.

Some "person of faith" explains to his flock that god created the world. The scientist says "well, maybe he didnt" thats the rub. If the truth of our existance does not lay in the hands of some deity waving his hand about and saying "let there be light" what else could be incorrect?

Thats the truth. Creation. Dont like being told you're wrong. Sorry.

If you wish to surmise "right" from "wrong" in the arena of philosophy come on in and we will chat. Just dont tell me I was made because someone wanted me here to suffer dickheads and cars and bile on TV. If i slip on a bananna skin i dont blame God. That would be foolish. I go for the old cause and effect routine. I blame noone. The dick who left it behind is long gone and i will never catch up with him. What was i gonna say anyway?

Dont get me wrong I understand religious ethic. Thats what religon is about. Just leave the OTHER important question to the guys willing to look.

As I have said. Religion is making itself irrelvent by moving into areas of life where it has no relevence. Case closed.

LeveL · (This post was last modified: 10-09-2007 02:55 AM by LeveL.)

To be or not to be... that is the Christian, or is it. <_<

The way I see it - I am never going to read the bible but at the same time, have heard passages from the bible that are mind blowing in terms of wisdom/knowledge. I never take this in a god-like way, or a religious or spiritual way, I take it strictly as information and do not attach anything else to that information, for example, something as simple as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Now, even an atheist, even a freaking satanist can't really argue with that, theres something wrong with you if you don't hear that and just say "yeah, that makes sense man". Same with "don't cast pearls before swine". In other words if you're trying to tell some ignorant fool something true and they won't listen, then leave them, don't bother trying to tell them, again this sounds to me like good advice, but just because of that, it does not make me a Christian. The way I see Christianity, it was a scourge on this Earth at some points in history! Like 500 years ago where Christians were basically killing people because they were not Christian... I don't agree with that and will never take Christians seriously because of stuff like that and the way Christianity was imposed on people... but don't get me wrong I don't blame all Christians for the actions of the few - 500 years ago, but I just don't see any benefit in being a "Christian". Its just another compartment in the matrix to say "I am a Christian" yada yada, you might as well say "I am a fluffy bunny" or something. You're not a fluffy bunny, you're not "Christian", hell you're not even American, British, Canadian, Italian, French, Muslim, Jewish... these are just labels we all use to "fit in" to some niche, a compartment... the way I see it, you're a human being, thats it folks, it stops there! You're JUST a human being, no need to complicate matters. My philosophy is take the parts from every religion you like and ignore the parts you don't like. Theres no need to have to pick and choose what category/religion you fall into, thet is literally to keep yourself in the dark in my opinion.

jack · 10-09-2007, 06:16 AM

Quote:Christianity and its followers have trouble because of science.

Some "person of faith" explains to his flock that god created the world. The scientist says "well, maybe he didnt" thats the rub. If the truth of our existance does not lay in the hands of some deity waving his hand about and saying "let there be light" what else could be incorrect?

Thats the truth. Creation. Dont like being told you're wrong. Sorry.

So basically you believe what science says; a cell became a fish became a reptile became a mammal became an ape became a man.

I went to a special that I thought was to be about archeology at the local university, after it started the professor said that he was an evolutionary biologist and brought out the skulls.
He showed a Sloth skull and then said that it was proof that carnivorous bears were evolving into anteaters. :eyebrow:
I kid you not, that's what he said.

So if this is true, in all the records we have for so so many years why isn't there any actual proof of this ?
Where are all the in-between animals recorded in history ? - Where is the missing link?
Why can't they prove it, if it's real science ? Isn't science something that can be proved ?

Is the Primordial Soup Done Yet ?

jack · 10-09-2007, 06:20 AM

Quote:I take it strictly as information and do not attach anything else to that information, for example, something as simple as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Now, even an atheist, even a freaking satanist can't really argue with that, theres something wrong with you if you don't hear that and just say "yeah, that makes sense man".

Satan is not against good morals, he is opposed to Jesus.

~~Zadoc~~ · 10-09-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:Where are all the in-between animals recorded in history ? - Where is the missing link?

In recorded history? Recorded history is only about 5000 years old, so there really hasn't been much in the way of major evolutionary changes.

However, if the fossil record, there are thousands of transitional animals that have been discovered, such as Tiktaalik, a link from a sea creature to a land animal, for example. There are thousands of others.

As for the fabled "missing link," that concept best represented what Darwin was capable of understanding over 100 years ago. Today we know that there is no suck missing link as Darwin envisioned it, however Christians use that element of the most primitive form of evolutionary theory as a weapon, knowing full well that it isn't valid. We call this lying today.

"The DNA record does not give us a tidy tree because it encodes a lot of slightly different evolutionary histories in kindred animals, covering a very short span of recent time. With gorillas, chimps and humans we are talking no more than 8 million years. We may not end up with a tree even for the part that most interests us, the one on which humans hang. A thicket or bush, yes, but a clean-limbed tree, perhaps not. Thus the old question of the missing link has been transformed into a series of new questions that have immeasurably added to our understanding and leave us asking for more. That is the mark of a progressive research program." - Ian Hacking

jack · 10-09-2007, 08:05 AM

So a rock can turn into a man if you wait millions or billions of years ?

How silly of me, I should have known that, they taught me that in federally funded public school, so it must be true, they wouldn't lie to us.

Millions or billions of years, how convenient, in other words, science never has to prove itself.

No "missing link" Darn it! I was waiting for that link.

5000yrs is a long time, 250 generations. Shouldn't we have some type of solid evidence in that amount of time, instead of just theories ?

Perhaps the Tiktaalik wasn't a transitional animal but a different species, like the Sloth is not the same species as a Bear.

~~Zadoc~~ · 10-10-2007, 05:15 AM

Quote:So a rock can turn into a man if you wait millions or billions of years ?

How silly of me, I should have known that, they taught me that in federally funded public school, so it must be true, they wouldn't lie to us.

See, no one ever has made such a claim. It's fair to assume that you know that. Therefore an accurate summation of your post is that you are willingly and purposefully misrepresenting the truth.

To put it in words that you'll understand, you're a lying liar.

So, my question is, why do you feel so threatened by nature that you feel that you have to lie about it and make things up?

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2007 05:26 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Zadoc -- as promised, some vids so you won't be limited to the peanut butter one. By-the-by, you have to search for INTELLIGENT DESIGN....to get those vids beyond your peanut butter one. Here is one that looked good, but again if you look under that you will find a so many hits, by scientists, physicists, astrophysicists, biologists, take you pick really. This one looked satisfactory to the points.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...h&plindex=2

hilly7 · 10-10-2007, 05:43 AM

What is not mentioned here is that even Darwin himself realized his error before his death.

~~Zadoc~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2007 05:46 AM by Zadoc.)

Quote:Zadoc -- as promised, some vids so you won't be limited to the peanut butter one. By-the-by, you have to search for INTELLIGENT DESIGN....to get those vids beyond your peanut butter one. Here is one that looked good, but again if you look under that you will find a so many hits, by scientists, physicists, astrophysicists, biologists, take you pick really. This one looked satisfactory to the points.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...h&plindex=2

Intelligent Design, by the by, is just creationism in disguise.

I am watching this video, and it seems to be an argument for the big bang and evolution. He's just saying that the Big Bang and Evolution are God's will and the tools that God used to create the Universe.

I wish all religious leaders were like this man.

There's nothing wrong with that; he's acknowledging found science and isn't making up the world around him to try and disprove known science.

That's how faith should be. If you're going to have faith, then have faith that your deity of choice is responsible for both the big bang and evolution.

Why do IDers insist that live must have been created as it is for them to have faith in their religion?

~~Zadoc~~ · 10-10-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:What is not mentioned here is that even Darwin himself realized his error before his death.

ROTFL

Because that shit isn't true... hahaha.

~~SerialExpLain~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2007 06:01 AM by SerialExpLain.)

Quote:Why do IDers insist that live must have been created as it is for them to have faith in their religion

Because that is what they are confident as the truth.

I would ask why anybody would have a problem with all of this being created by sound and physics and geometry and every other science by the true master who could make it all with sound????

But not this An Intelligent Design, k?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...8223178167

or this alternative view in keeping with AOS atavistic resurgence

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...9238915407

Hey, I can't make a stone in my hand in the 3D, nor can anybody else here try as they might. That is why I defer to God when it comes to those Creation issues.

hilly7 · 10-10-2007, 06:12 AM

Quote:
Quote:What is not mentioned here is that even Darwin himself realized his error before his death.

ROTFL

Because that shit isn't true... hahaha.

Have no ideal what that means. But yes genius, that shit is true, complete your research.

~~Zadoc~~ · (This post was last modified: 10-10-2007 06:56 AM by Zadoc.)

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:What is not mentioned here is that even Darwin himself realized his error before his death.

ROTFL

Because that shit isn't true... hahaha.

Have no ideal what that means. But yes genius, that shit is true, complete your research.

LOL

No it's not.

LMAO!

Take your own advice... ahahahahaha!