Whey Protein

[byrd]

Does anyone have any info on this stuff? i started taking it at the 1st of the summer cuz i started hittin the gym hard again, but after watching Lorraine Day's google video called "Diseases Dont Just Happen!" presentation cpl weeks ago i got scared away from it. she basically said it should be avoided for the same reasons milk should be. basically doing the same shit to your body.

aside from me googling some info i thought id check here to see if anyone has the heads up on the situation.

[TeslaandLyne]

I sounds like cheese.

Milk has sugar.

Cheese is mostly fat and protein .. Atkins approved.

My last check in with health topics was Atkins.. so anything new or
old things given new names I can't check any more.

Borders had his whole collection cellophane wrapped for $45,
guess I should have gotten it. Next time if its still there.

[byrd]

appearantly cheese isnt good for you either. sometimes its made with un-fermented milk, or something to that effect. i dono, my whole eating life style is now in chaos. i dont know what the heck to do.

[Ratiocinator]

Byrd, I suggest downloading the Raw Summit series of interviews that I uploaded a few days ago.

Several athletes and nutritionists, who serve athletes, are interviewed and talk specifically on this issue.

What Dr. Doug Graham said in his Raw Summit interview, is that if more than 10% of your total calories comes from fat and if more than 10% comes from protein (basically if less than 80% of your total calorific intake comes from carbs) then you are almost certainly on the road to future disease and serious health problems.

A lot of protein in a diet may be good for helping you achieve your goal of bulking up (most bulking up seems to be water retention / accumulation of fats and wastes in the body, rather than pure muscle), but will likely lead to severe bad health in the long term. Too many bodybuilders go on to suffer bone problems, heart problems, cancer, and so on. So I would say, make your choice; look a certain way or protect your all-important health. It really does seem as simple as that to me.

The late Mike Mentzer, a former world-level bodybuilder, died young in his 50's because of his massive bodybuilding diet, consisting mainly of animal derivates and especially milk (from which whey comes, of course). I read in Mike’s book on bodybuilding that a bodybuilder only needs to consume 16 calories per day above what they need to replace those calories burned in the gym and in everyday living, to gain 10lb of new muscle mass each year. He says a person really should not aim to gain more than 10lb of muscle growth over year, or they basically become a blob of hospital fodder! Think about that: 50lb of muscle in just 5-years! Most bodybuilder pros spend around 10-years to get where they are, so 10lbs of muscle each year is pretty good.

If you still want to go ahead and build muscle (if that really is your aim), then I recommend hemp protein combined with rice protein (both in powder form, bought as supplements). Hemp is a complete protein and both are extremely high in quality and easily utilized by the body. Together these proteins work very well are very effective. I know this from reading various posts by users in bodybuilding and fitness forums.

This is the website of Dr. Doug Graham, with an expansive Q+A section on the raw food diet:

http://www.foodnsport.com/joomla/

[LeveL]

Put it this way, if you are going to the gym and not having protein, you can't get bigger, its impossible.

However, this Whey Protein - I dunno. Its apparently the best for lifting weights. Whenever I have had it, I have like 3 shits a day, shitting out what you can't digest.

As far as it being un-natural, pah, its like all the people who say you get cancer from eating red meat - so that means there must be loads of predatory animals like lions, tigers, all carnivores in the wild that eat red meat all the time all have cancer from it? Gimme a break, if we are getting cancer from red meat why arn't all animals getting it from it?

Same with protein, meat is 30% protein, if you eat too much protein you'll just shit the excess out, although yes, too much is a strain on your kidneys.

Peanuts are 30% protein, so is cheese.

Isn't Dr. Day a vegetarian? All they ever say is don't eat meat, hah, you'd have no muscles at all if you did that. I won't stop eating meat, I like it.

[Ratiocinator]

Quote:Gimme a break, if we are getting cancer from red meat why arn't all animals getting it from it?

They don't live long enough to develop the disease. It is as simple as that. Lions spend most of their lives sleeping (~20 hours each day); they live a rather lethargic existence, unlike herbivorous elephants (the strongest land animal) and herbivorous horses!

Quote:Isn't Dr. Day a vegetarian? All they ever say is don't eat meat, hah, you'd have no muscles at all if you did that. I won't stop eating meat, I like it.

You should carry out some research before posting such nonsense.

[Ratiocinator]

Bodybuilding on a raw food diet:

http://www.charliesgym.info/

[byrd]

thanks a lot for the info. and just for the record, im not some meat head trying to get massive and bulk up like a maniac. im just in shape, and lift some weights three times a week to get more cut. im pretty big, 6'4, 210, so i figure if im this tall i might as well work this shit out to get some form instead of just being tall and sorta big.. if that makes any sense :dead:

as for meat, Day basically says we were meant to be herbivores. she cites a cpl things, such as our intestines being very long and coiled, thus taking a long time to get the meat out of our body, which putrefies after a little bit and turns hard in our intestines or whatever, before it finally gets out of our body. which causes lots of problems ofcourse. while the feline family for example, which natural meat eaters, has a short straight intestine, made that way to get the meat right out immediately, so its not stuck in there for a cpl days, blocking shit, etc.

i still eat chicken and fish, but i have cut out red meat after listening to her last year. and thats big for me, i used to eat steaks every night. i loved that shit. but i believe in what shes saying, and not only the part about humans being herbivores. actually im not totally convinced of that yet, but i dont really need to be either. red meat is pretty bad for you. its where a lot of the heart disease and other shit comes from. and not to mention the whole slaughterhouse situation. how these animals are raised, what theyre fed, what they possibly having circulating through their bodies when they are killed and cut up for sale.. one point she made..actually this point may have been from elsewhere, anyway basically explains how if a guy is separating this big cow in the slaughterhouse, and sees some cancer, theyll just cut out the cancerous part and sell the rest of the cow. problem is when that cow was alive its blood was still running through the whole body, through the cancer, so that cancer really is running all through the cow.

thats just one point, and im sure we are all aware its a pretty bad state inside these slaughterhouses, and not to mention the overall way the animal was raised, full of stresses, being fed fucked up high protein feeds or whatever it is theyre feeding these animals, giving them hormones..whatever, i know its bad, and i know they sell us shit that should not be consumed, but it is anyway.

even if i were convinced that we were indeed meant to eat meat, they way it is produced these days its too full of shit for me. as i say this i still eat chicken, im sure this is just as bad, but i havent been able to take myself off completely. mostly cuz i dont want to lose weight. i dont know how to change my eating habits in such a drastic way that i could stop meat altogether.

anyway im gonna check that info and definitely look into hemp protein. had no idea about this!! so thanks for the heads up. and all the other info in here. much appreciated.

[byrd]

once again i cannot seem to get any luck wit this tracker. im putting "Raw Summit" in the search and coming up with nothing. what am i doing wrong?

[Ratiocinator]

Raw Food Summit series:

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...121c49b20f30a5f

Thread:

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=16171


Article on anatomical comparisons between human, herbivore, omnivore and carnivore:

http://www.earthsave.ca/files/anatomy.pdf

[byrd]

cool :laugh: thanks. you gotta dumb that tracker shit down for me :tongue: