More general questions

[stanteau]

I know I've done this at least 1 other time but I want to avoid random name-drops and stuff like that and just start a brand new discussion.

Noone is going to debate Israel's lack of legitimacy to Palestine or their involvement in terrorism, nor will anyone question the original Jewish banking families and their constant wealth and power, but I don't think anyone has a concise theory on an endgame based around Zionism control that doesn't involve some sort of "outside the box/Michael Tsarion"-ish conclusions, which lead to "Jews" not being "the top of the pyramid" (which I believe to be something along the lines of Occult priests of sorts that we have never seen.)

Now, I am doing everything I can at all times to investigate everything (except for right now, I've opted to read 2001: A Space Odyssey to quell my brain after the Exodus Conspiracy.) With that said, here's my points (cites when I can)

-So I believe Israel was founded for military purposes, it's prophecy being written by the same line of occult leaders much in the same way Revelations was written with no specific Revelation in mind, but more as a blueprint to carry out whenever a change was needed AKA they have fulfilled the Revelations prophecy several times in the past 2,000 years (Gods of Eden by William Bramley)

-I have read the Old Testament and it does have things that some would construe as "racist" or about "keeping the race pure" but was this a Jewish idea or an idea of the general time? And people cite the Talmud as proof of Judaism's racism but that book was written almost a thousand years afterwards and compiled from Rabbi's various preachings and is not held sacred by many people outside of orthodox Judaism, comparative to the Catholic Church's works, but hardly applicable to the whole population

-The Secret Society control scheme is also up for much debate, Jim Marrs' "Rule by Secrecy" (which can be found on scribd.com) provides an extremely good all around theory for control coming from secret society control schemes and there's all the "Adam Weishaupt/Albert Pike/Sir Francis Bacon/John Kerry/etc. was/is a Jew/crypto-Jew!" stuff but THEN you also have the "_____ may be a Jew, but above that he's a JESUIT!" and for every crypto-Jew there's also the Jesuit "sheep-dipping" that is pretty rampant, out of all of this mess how do you reach the conclusion that one is more powerful/in control of the other? Someone posted a link to a Jim Marrs interview on Rense on the subject but I've yet to hear it as I can't DL torrents so if I should hear it, don't just call me a fuckin retard, help me out

-The endgame scenario also seems strikingly blank. It seems that most members here have concluded the "Zionist endgame" is micro-chip control, why? Now, I can reconcile micro-chip control very easily with "other-worldly" explanation but that is something that the Zionist crowd doesn't do, so what is the point of the micro-chip/police state/lockdown slavery society as opposed to just the general control scheme through money that "they" have had us under for this long? It just doesn't have anything to do with Judaism is my point and a lot to do with occult practices and the hatred of humanity/reveling to become God that William Cooper talks so much about

-Same goes for the HAARP/government controlled UFO's/chem-trails/weather control/mind-control stuff, what does any of this have to do with actual Zionism? What ARE UFO's? What the hell ARE chemtrails doing? What is with the non-stop mind control presented in the MONARCH series on youtube? How does all of this add up to an edngame that favors Zionists over any other group of power such as, say, the Roman Catholic Church which has it's roots in the ancient Roman Empire, which had a pagan-based religion, not a Jewish one, and also, who built the pyramids? Undeveloped man and some rope?

-Finally, what about the Aryan-invasions of Indian and present-day Iraq, their installation (and upkeep) of religion, and Hitler's pursuit of restoring the Aryan race and finding their relics? The only possible answer that justifies a purely Zionist-controlled-Nazi scenario is that it was purely disinfo and.... I just don't buy that

I am not saying "Zionists" are "innocent" (as I've been called a Zionist a few times and it's not very fun), I am however questioning whether there is a consistent "Zionism" plan and *frankly* whether it's just another name thrown out by "them" to add more confusion and create dissent among "us", a concept that every Illuminati-ish "plan" has professed to do if you want to control the "masses"

Also, try not to just toss "goyim" around as it creates an assumption of a Jewish control scheme, something I don't buy quite yet, so save it until at least the second page

[stanteau]

noone?

[Ognir]

Damn finally you wrote something I could read

What exactly is your question?

[MC David]

Quote:I know I've done this at least 1 other time but I want to avoid random name-drops and stuff like that and just start a brand new discussion.

Noone is going to debate Israel's lack of legitimacy to Palestine or their involvement in terrorism, nor will anyone question the original Jewish banking families and their constant wealth and power, but I don't think anyone has a concise theory on an endgame based around Zionism control that doesn't involve some sort of "outside the box/Michael Tsarion"-ish conclusions, which lead to "Jews" not being "the top of the pyramid" (which I believe to be something along the lines of Occult priests of sorts that we have never seen.)

Now, I am doing everything I can at all times to investigate everything (except for right now, I've opted to read 2001: A Space Odyssey to quell my brain after the Exodus Conspiracy.) With that said, here's my points (cites when I can)

-So I believe Israel was founded for military purposes, it's prophecy being written by the same line of occult leaders much in the same way Revelations was written with no specific Revelation in mind, but more as a blueprint to carry out whenever a change was needed AKA they have fulfilled the Revelations prophecy several times in the past 2,000 years (Gods of Eden by William Bramley)

-I have read the Old Testament and it does have things that some would construe as "racist" or about "keeping the race pure" but was this a Jewish idea or an idea of the general time? And people cite the Talmud as proof of Judaism's racism but that book was written almost a thousand years afterwards and compiled from Rabbi's various preachings and is not held sacred by many people outside of orthodox Judaism, comparative to the Catholic Church's works, but hardly applicable to the whole population

-The Secret Society control scheme is also up for much debate, Jim Marrs' "Rule by Secrecy" (which can be found on scribd.com) provides an extremely good all around theory for control coming from secret society control schemes and there's all the "Adam Weishaupt/Albert Pike/Sir Francis Bacon/John Kerry/etc. was/is a Jew/crypto-Jew!" stuff but THEN you also have the "_____ may be a Jew, but above that he's a JESUIT!" and for every crypto-Jew there's also the Jesuit "sheep-dipping" that is pretty rampant, out of all of this mess how do you reach the conclusion that one is more powerful/in control of the other? Someone posted a link to a Jim Marrs interview on Rense on the subject but I've yet to hear it as I can't DL torrents so if I should hear it, don't just call me a fuckin retard, help me out

-The endgame scenario also seems strikingly blank. It seems that most members here have concluded the "Zionist endgame" is micro-chip control, why? Now, I can reconcile micro-chip control very easily with "other-worldly" explanation but that is something that the Zionist crowd doesn't do, so what is the point of the micro-chip/police state/lockdown slavery society as opposed to just the general control scheme through money that "they" have had us under for this long? It just doesn't have anything to do with Judaism is my point and a lot to do with occult practices and the hatred of humanity/reveling to become God that William Cooper talks so much about

-Same goes for the HAARP/government controlled UFO's/chem-trails/weather control/mind-control stuff, what does any of this have to do with actual Zionism? What ARE UFO's? What the hell ARE chemtrails doing? What is with the non-stop mind control presented in the MONARCH series on youtube? How does all of this add up to an edngame that favors Zionists over any other group of power such as, say, the Roman Catholic Church which has it's roots in the ancient Roman Empire, which had a pagan-based religion, not a Jewish one, and also, who built the pyramids? Undeveloped man and some rope?

-Finally, what about the Aryan-invasions of Indian and present-day Iraq, their installation (and upkeep) of religion, and Hitler's pursuit of restoring the Aryan race and finding their relics? The only possible answer that justifies a purely Zionist-controlled-Nazi scenario is that it was purely disinfo and.... I just don't buy that

I am not saying "Zionists" are "innocent" (as I've been called a Zionist a few times and it's not very fun), I am however questioning whether there is a consistent "Zionism" plan and *frankly* whether it's just another name thrown out by "them" to add more confusion and create dissent among "us", a concept that every Illuminati-ish "plan" has professed to do if you want to control the "masses"

Also, try not to just toss "goyim" around as it creates an assumption of a Jewish control scheme, something I don't buy quite yet, so save it until at least the second page

I don't know man, just keep reading & researching & eventually you'll come closer to the answers. Sometimes I wonder if the Rothschilds & all are really Zionists, I mean I know they're Ashkenazis racially but i wonder if they really give a fuck about Israel or if it's really their main concern. Like one thing that strikes me as odd is the U.N. is frequently issuing human rights complaints against Israel. And if the Zionists run everything how can that be so? I think the Zionist Jews have a lot of influence on the government through AIPAC but like David Le Rothschild or whatever the fuck his name is is pushing the global warming shit & doesn't really talk about Israel at all I don't think. So it makes me wonder if the top bankers care as much about Israel as the Zionists.